M 1029: The webMafia Olympics game 1 SPY VS SPY

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

that's also a reasonable argument. However, no matter what, town wants to eliminate a maf team today. If you remain town, this helps you because one maf team is eliminated and you just need to get the other. If you get converted, then your rival faction is eliminated. One way or another, eliminating a maf team helps everyone (except said maf team, but screw them).

I don't think the town team has much chance of winning if we eliminate a mafia team today, because the other mafia team will be able to focus entirely on us.

I also think we're much more likely to kill a townie, which doesn't help us either.

If we do not eliminate a mafia member today, town will not have much information about what is going on with the mafia, so we might as well keep voting no-kill and hope the mafia start getting NKed. That is not a very interesting game for town, though.

Ah, hoping maf get NK'ed.

Bad news: it's pretty unlilkely to happen
unless one maf targets another.

If we miskill, all we lose is one town member, then we go to a situation similar to the nokill situation. If we kill a maf, we significantly increase our chances of winning (for a start, we're eliminating at least 2 maf members effectively because that maf leader doesn't recruit that night). There's no info to be gained from killing, but we're probably not going to get another opportunity to eliminate an entire maf team.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

#vote yogo I kinda think your idea was you being the spy person

invalid vote

also, I don't believe that you really could believe this.

For me it’s the best I have tbh besides omgus on you for voting me for a stupid reason

that's like the third time brain has voted someone for a stupid reason
hop on the brainbomb wagon

[Haze with a Z]

haze is absolutely gonna recruit ghug and used the vote on him to distance.

I can only do that as spy person and also I feel like reads tmr should change from today so I don’t understand how my read on someone today and coming around to them being town is distancing or something that needs to be remembered for tmr when we should be looking for people acting different and connections with them

[brainbomb]

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[DiplomacyandWarfare]

This feels like an interesting word choice tbh

Yea, I've been struggling to avoid the following when talking about mech:

• Implying that "town" does not include me

• Implying that town can only win as town

• Implying that town can only after being converted

• Implying that the best move for current town players is necessarily the one that gives the town team the best chance of winning

• Implying that I expect to be converted

• Implying that I don't expect to be converted

• Implying that I don't want to be converted

• Implying that town needs to "choose a maf team to side with"

• Failing to distinguish between the town team, town players, and players who are currently town

I don't doubt that I've probably failed at several of these things already.

It just feels like your goal is for starting towns to win and not the town team to win and imo if you are town your goal should be for the town team to win

My goal is to win.
Getting converted to a maf team that wins is equally as acceptable as winning with the town team.

[Haze with a Z]

invalid vote

also, I don't believe that you really could believe this.

For me it’s the best I have tbh besides omgus on you for voting me for a stupid reason

that's like the third time brain has voted someone for a stupid reason
hop on the brainbomb wagon

I’m not confident enough on you to sheep you tbh

[Haze with a Z]

Yea, I've been struggling to avoid the following when talking about mech:

• Implying that "town" does not include me

• Implying that town can only win as town

• Implying that town can only after being converted

• Implying that the best move for current town players is necessarily the one that gives the town team the best chance of winning

• Implying that I expect to be converted

• Implying that I don't expect to be converted

• Implying that I don't want to be converted

• Implying that town needs to "choose a maf team to side with"

• Failing to distinguish between the town team, town players, and players who are currently town

I don't doubt that I've probably failed at several of these things already.

It just feels like your goal is for starting towns to win and not the town team to win and imo if you are town your goal should be for the town team to win

My goal is to win.
Getting converted to a maf team that wins is equally as acceptable as winning with the town team.

I agree with this but I also believe that one should play to their win con and if you are town, currently your win con is to eliminate both spy teams and not eliminate the town or get half of them recruited

[Haze with a Z]

Brain I just can’t believe that your reads on me right now are real tbh

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

So, let's say we nokill.
Hoping maf target each other is mostly hopeless. If that's what you're riding on, you need to rethink your strategy.
If maf successfully recruit, the ratio is 5 2 2. At that point, to win, town will need to eliminate at least 4 people, requiring four days. In the corresponding nights, mafia will have several kills and/or recruits.
If the ratio becomes 5 2 2, the town team will not win.
The best way for the town team to win is to kill a maf today, then kill the maf leader of the other team tomorrow, then play a 5v1 d3.
So, we need to consolidate.

[brainbomb]

For me it’s the best I have tbh besides omgus on you for voting me for a stupid reason

that's like the third time brain has voted someone for a stupid reason
hop on the brainbomb wagon

I’m not confident enough on you to sheep you tbh

uh huh, sure, thats totally the reason why

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

For me it’s the best I have tbh besides omgus on you for voting me for a stupid reason

that's like the third time brain has voted someone for a stupid reason
hop on the brainbomb wagon

I’m not confident enough on you to sheep you tbh

good. Don't sheep anyone in this game.
For that matter, don't sheep anyone ever.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

It just feels like your goal is for starting towns to win and not the town team to win and imo if you are town your goal should be for the town team to win

My goal is to win.
Getting converted to a maf team that wins is equally as acceptable as winning with the town team.

I agree with this but I also believe that one should play to their win con and if you are town, currently your win con is to eliminate both spy teams and not eliminate the town or get half of them recruited

Ok. Fine. I want to eliminate both spy teams. The best way to do that is to eliminate one today.
No matter which way you spin this, the best strategy is still to kill today.

[brainbomb]

thats the towniest thing youve said all game dip. I agree with that. Haze isnt a follower either, and it is entirely possible that haze is mafia here and thinks were both town. trying to apply pressure to both of us, and goad us into tunneling one another so they can be uninvolved if a wagon forms on either of us.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I want to kill haze, brain, or ghug. nobody else is voting brain and brain voting haze is kind of a turn-off so I will ##vote hazewithaz

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I want to kill haze, brain, or ghug. nobody else is voting brain and brain voting haze is kind of a turn-off so I will ##vote hazewithaz

mfw I realize I voted the wrong person
I would say brain fart but that would seem like a pun on brainbomb or smh
ill just do the ##vote ghug that I intended

[brainbomb]

I dont understand it but, cool

[brainbomb]

ah okay, less impressive. many not likes. bad dippy

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I gtg soon and I will not be able to make EoD (this EoD time does not work for me).
Town
bozo
spirit
Null line
everyone else
I want to wagon line
Hazewithaz
ghug
Brain
Scum

[brainbomb]

Surprised Hamilton is not a townread on your list. I thought he was someone you joke voted as a miskill, and it seemed like you backed away from that once called out on it.

I would think you wouldn't have backed off of voting Hamilton unless you started to townread him for some reason. Even if it was a joke it was still applicable pressure which you removed.

[Haze with a Z]

that's like the third time brain has voted someone for a stupid reason
hop on the brainbomb wagon

I’m not confident enough on you to sheep you tbh

uh huh, sure, thats totally the reason why

##vote brainbomb

You are being annoying tbh