M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[lfischl]

I'm going to be honest I'm fairly sure all 3 scum are on my wagon currently. Did someone post something about all the possible scenarios if balki had a gun or not?

[damo666]

damo and lfischl both took me out of their scum reads and put in one of my scum reads for unexplained reasons.

O bozo you are becoming a very insecure gunman and you are making me nervous. By this stage you had claimed so obviously come out. I said 'for the sake of the survey' among many 'possible triplets.' I think it was evident at the time I believed the remianing three to be in {kotp, rdr, lfishl, RFK, Flav}.

PLEASE do not kill me, Bunny, sweet or Jamie and preferably not RHK. My recommended shoot order is

kotp
Flav
rdr
fish

How did Flavius become one of your top 2 scum reads since this:

I have revised my towncore to just 4

me Flav sweet and DemonRHK

the silence is deafening

I was deceived by his work ethic and was giving him undeserved towmpoints because I was critiquing his style so much. I find it very hard to justify a scumteam without Flav in it. If one of my townreads are scum I think we lose anyway (sweet and Demon are the town I have slight twingey doubts about).

[bozotheclown]

If I am modkilled it makes it more likely that town will lose.

I think I'm getting modkilled now right since I tied it

I think this indicates kotp and fish are not scummates.

If kotp is scum then his likely teammates are rdr and Flav.

If fish is scum then rdr and Flav would both have to be bussing. As fish has only recently been in contention with kotp I think tis unlikely. In which case who are fish's teammates???

If kotp and fish are both town we have a curious scumteam, say {rdr, Flav, sweet}. Very questionable.

Also note fish put Balki in the lead on D2.

I think kotp has to be scum and therefore rdr and Flav are is his teammates. This is the solution I came up with recently.

Confirmation.

Case solved.

Thanks very much.

Are you saying you town read lfischl for putting Balki in the lead after PE claimed the scan? How does he get any town credit for that?

[Jamiet99uk]

You said it in a way that sounded like you were not certain.

Not at all. I am simply quite verbose. My belief that the Mafia get four guns was extremely firm, based on the fact that the setup says that this is the case. I did not say "I'm not sure but maybe they get four", I did not convey doubt or uncertainty, in any way.

You are nit-picking over very minor issues of syntax and I am not going to entertain this discussion point any further.

I agree with Jamiet here.

But I would also like to point out that Jamiet nitpicked me for literally the same thing, when I also said "I think" about the setup.

Perhaps I was suffering from confirmation bias due to heavily scumreading you at the time, sorry.

[damo666]

I'm going to be honest I'm fairly sure all 3 scum are on my wagon currently. Did someone post something about all the possible scenarios if balki had a gun or not?

1. Quite
2. Yes, bozo

[damo666]

I think I'm getting modkilled now right since I tied it

I think this indicates kotp and fish are not scummates.

If kotp is scum then his likely teammates are rdr and Flav.

If fish is scum then rdr and Flav would both have to be bussing. As fish has only recently been in contention with kotp I think tis unlikely. In which case who are fish's teammates???

If kotp and fish are both town we have a curious scumteam, say {rdr, Flav, sweet}. Very questionable.

Also note fish put Balki in the lead on D2.

I think kotp has to be scum and therefore rdr and Flav are is his teammates. This is the solution I came up with recently.

Confirmation.

Case solved.

Thanks very much.

Are you saying you town read lfischl for putting Balki in the lead after PE claimed the scan? How does he get any town credit for that?

No. I'm just pointing it out. It was 2 minutes after Eden's guilty scan claim on Balki. Whether fish is town or maf it is remarkable he happened to be ol but that is just coincidence. The speed of reaction I would say slightly favours town, scum might hesitate. That alone is no more than 55/45.

[Jamiet99uk]

If I am modkilled it makes it more likely that town will lose.

I think I'm getting modkilled now right since I tied it

I think this indicates kotp and fish are not scummates.

If kotp is scum then his likely teammates are rdr and Flav.

If fish is scum then rdr and Flav would both have to be bussing. As fish has only recently been in contention with kotp I think tis unlikely. In which case who are fish's teammates???

If kotp and fish are both town we have a curious scumteam, say {rdr, Flav, sweet}. Very questionable.

Also note fish put Balki in the lead on D2.

I think kotp has to be scum and therefore rdr and Flav are is his teammates. This is the solution I came up with recently.

Confirmation.

Case solved.

Thanks very much.

This is hard. My gut says they are not team-mates, as well.

Remind me why you think Rdr is scum, Damo?

[bozotheclown]

O bozo you are becoming a very insecure gunman and you are making me nervous. By this stage you had claimed so obviously come out. I said 'for the sake of the survey' among many 'possible triplets.' I think it was evident at the time I believed the remianing three to be in {kotp, rdr, lfishl, RFK, Flav}.

PLEASE do not kill me, Bunny, sweet or Jamie and preferably not RHK. My recommended shoot order is

kotp
Flav
rdr
fish

How did Flavius become one of your top 2 scum reads since this:

I have revised my towncore to just 4

me Flav sweet and DemonRHK

the silence is deafening

I was deceived by his work ethic and was giving him undeserved towmpoints because I was critiquing his style so much. I find it very hard to justify a scumteam without Flav in it. If one of my townreads are scum I think we lose anyway (sweet and Demon are the town I have slight twingey doubts about).

If he was one of your top town reads I am sure you could come up with a scum team that excludes him.

[damo666]

I think I'm getting modkilled now right since I tied it

I think this indicates kotp and fish are not scummates.

If kotp is scum then his likely teammates are rdr and Flav.

If fish is scum then rdr and Flav would both have to be bussing. As fish has only recently been in contention with kotp I think tis unlikely. In which case who are fish's teammates???

If kotp and fish are both town we have a curious scumteam, say {rdr, Flav, sweet}. Very questionable.

Also note fish put Balki in the lead on D2.

I think kotp has to be scum and therefore rdr and Flav are is his teammates. This is the solution I came up with recently.

Confirmation.

Case solved.

Thanks very much.

This is hard. My gut says they are not team-mates, as well.

Remind me why you think Rdr is scum, Damo?

I can never read him. With all the quasi townclears I have and on the assumption kotp and fish are not scummates I don't see how rdr cannot be scum despite him showing signs of towniness but rdr can do that.

[damo666]

How did Flavius become one of your top 2 scum reads since this:

I was deceived by his work ethic and was giving him undeserved towmpoints because I was critiquing his style so much. I find it very hard to justify a scumteam without Flav in it. If one of my townreads are scum I think we lose anyway (sweet and Demon are the town I have slight twingey doubts about).

If he was one of your top town reads I am sure you could come up with a scum team that excludes him.

Yeah but at the expense of a lesser town read.

[bozotheclown]

I think this indicates kotp and fish are not scummates.

If kotp is scum then his likely teammates are rdr and Flav.

If fish is scum then rdr and Flav would both have to be bussing. As fish has only recently been in contention with kotp I think tis unlikely. In which case who are fish's teammates???

If kotp and fish are both town we have a curious scumteam, say {rdr, Flav, sweet}. Very questionable.

Also note fish put Balki in the lead on D2.

I think kotp has to be scum and therefore rdr and Flav are is his teammates. This is the solution I came up with recently.

Confirmation.

Case solved.

Thanks very much.

Are you saying you town read lfischl for putting Balki in the lead after PE claimed the scan? How does he get any town credit for that?

No. I'm just pointing it out. It was 2 minutes after Eden's guilty scan claim on Balki. Whether fish is town or maf it is remarkable he happened to be ol but that is just coincidence. The speed of reaction I would say slightly favours town, scum might hesitate. That alone is no more than 55/45.

lfischl posted 5 minutes before PE's claim. I don't think the mafia would hesitate to bus their scanned teammate there.

[bozotheclown]

I was deceived by his work ethic and was giving him undeserved towmpoints because I was critiquing his style so much. I find it very hard to justify a scumteam without Flav in it. If one of my townreads are scum I think we lose anyway (sweet and Demon are the town I have slight twingey doubts about).

If he was one of your top town reads I am sure you could come up with a scum team that excludes him.

Yeah but at the expense of a lesser town read.

Why not exclude the lesser town read?

[dargorygel]

##STUFF

No list of Wild West outlaws would be complete without at least a mention of Etta Place, the mysterious companion to Harry Longabaugh (aka “the Sundance Kid“). The two were so devoted to each other that she was the only person to flee the country with him and Butch Cassidy and the only woman to stay with a member of the Wild Bunch as long as she did. At the same time, few people from recent history can claim such notoriety and mystery.

Despite Etta being one of the only women to have penetrated the inner circle of the gang and stay with them long-term, little is known about her life before or after her relationship with Longabaugh. It is widely believed that she met the Sundance Kid while working as a prostitute, possibly in Utah, and that the two eventually became devoted companions. When Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid escaped to South America in 1901, Etta was at their side.

There are at least half a dozen theories about Etta after she parted ways with Longabaugh, most of them involving Etta living as a prostitute or outlaw. It is known that she lived in San Francisco in 1907, at least for a little while, but the trail runs cold after that. Estimations about her date of death range from 1922 to 1966. Now that’s one mystery maiden with a talent for mystique!

VOTE COUNT

lfischl (5) Fla, kotp, rdr, bozo, Jamie
kingofthepirates (4) damo, sweet, Bunny, lfi
FlaviusAetius (1) Demon

LFISCHL is set to die.

Day Ends in less than 3.5 hours

[bozotheclown]

What are people’s thoughts on an RDR wagon here?

What are people’s thoughts on an RDR wagon here?

This would be ok as well, I am operating under 'Bunny saved rdr' line of thinking.

So am I ##votr rdr

lfischl was looking for support for a rdrivera wagon D2 before voting. The mafia may have considered rdrivera a good mis-kill target after Balki almost got him DKed D1.

[FlaviusAetius]

It's fine. You aren't one of the Massholes.

So I am behind a large chunk of N2 up to now. There a reason we ain't voting fish for that really ugly stall attempt on the hammer?

Why do you scum read lfischl for that and not sweetandcool, who did this:

##VOTE Eden

I hard CC you.

Actually, best not to resolve the CC battle today, especially since there is a chance this is VT theater.

##VOTE King

Because sweet has been shit posting all game, and it was a painfully obvious attempt to save Eden from getting shot.

OR maybe just maybe sweet was trying to cause chaos as he has done all game claiming here just makes no sense

[FlaviusAetius]

What are people’s thoughts on an RDR wagon here?

This would be ok as well, I am operating under 'Bunny saved rdr' line of thinking.

So am I ##votr rdr

lfischl was looking for support for a rdrivera wagon D2 before voting. The mafia may have considered rdrivera a good mis-kill target after Balki almost got him DKed D1.

RDR is a perfect wagon for a "lurker" to back D2, the wagon on him wasnt real D1 and someone not following thw game wouldnt have realized that
My prediction is that lfischl is a fake lurker

[bozotheclown]

iirc balki pushed rdr pretty hard right

what about rdr-bozo-kotp?

I missed this, but lfischl had seen damo's post. It is still odd that he copied damo's reads, and that damo then immediately changed them.

##vote king

I've scumread rdr most of the game, kotp is obvscum at least in my eyes, I think the RB is fake, and the last scum for me was between bozo and flav, I think I posted that before bozo claimed he had the shot but I'm not sure

Then where did the scum read of Jamie come from here:

Predictions of the final 3 mafia:

bozo: RHK, Jamie, sweetandcool
sweetandcool: Flavius, kingofthepirates, bozo
Jamie: bozo, lfischl, kingofthepirates
rdrivera: lfischl, Jamie, Flavius
BunnyGo: kingofthepirates, lfischl, Jamie
damo: kingofthepirates, lfischl, RHK
RHK: Flavius, lfischl, rdrivera

Jamie, kingofthepirates, rdr

Still catching up, internet is awful right now so that and responses will be slow

Also, why have you scum read rdrivera most of the game, and why is kingofthepirates obviously scum?

[FlaviusAetius]

Do you think Balki started strongly town reading his teammate because of your one vote for Flavius?

I'm not that self-centered, but that is how I saw it. Could I be shaping it to fit what I want it to? Yes. Do I fucking care? No. I saw Balki make like a half a dozen posts and half of them were quoting or agreeing with Flav.

That would make sense considering I led the charge to kill food D1, Balki is probably a large reason why I was taken so seriously D1 and left with no opposition when it make to my food wagon

[FlaviusAetius]

Do you think Balki started strongly town reading his teammate because of your one vote for Flavius?

I'm not that self-centered, but that is how I saw it. Could I be shaping it to fit what I want it to? Yes. Do I fucking care? No. I saw Balki make like a half a dozen posts and half of them were quoting or agreeing with Flav.

And you didn't consider this could be scum Balky buddying town Flavius?

EXACTLY! I have lots of ideas I am here prepared to talk through them honestly I suspect anyone who agrees wit anyone without a single second thought including me!!

[FlaviusAetius]

I'm not that self-centered, but that is how I saw it. Could I be shaping it to fit what I want it to? Yes. Do I fucking care? No. I saw Balki make like a half a dozen posts and half of them were quoting or agreeing with Flav.

And you didn't consider this could be scum Balky buddying town Flavius?

It's possible, but at the time it was the shorter side of the arguement. It would have been easier to come in on the majority side and not stand out.

And, admittedly, I have a bad habit of viewing that as defending instead of buddying in almost every case.

And, on top of all that, Flav's D1 itself ain't great. As I previously pointed out, lots of third-partying other conversation and cases without doing a lot. Just saying it LOUDER and in CAPS.

I third party every conversation how can you say my D1 wasnt great when my D2 and D3 have been the exact same