M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[damo666]

My guess for the remaining three is kotp rdr Bozo

Jamie-sweet and bozo?

what about rdr-bozo-kotp?

I have lots of triplets as possible scumteams but for the sake of bozo's survey I will say {kotp, lfischl, demonRHK}.


This leaves those 3 and Flav as not having taken part.

If there are not at least 2 scum in those 4 I'll be amazed.

Predictions of the final 3 mafia:

bozo: RHK, Jamie, sweetandcool
sweetandcool: Flavius, kingofthepirates, bozo
Jamie: bozo, lfischl, kingofthepirates
rdrivera: lfischl, Jamie, Flavius
BunnyGo: kingofthepirates, lfischl, Jamie
damo: kingofthepirates, lfischl, RHK
RHK: Flavius, lfischl, rdrivera

Jamie, kingofthepirates, rdr

Still catching up, internet is awful right now so that and responses will be slow

damo and lfischl both took me out of their scum reads and put in one of my scum reads for unexplained reasons.

O bozo you are becoming a very insecure gunman and you are making me nervous. By this stage you had claimed so obviously come out. I said 'for the sake of the survey' among many 'possible triplets.' I think it was evident at the time I believed the remianing three to be in {kotp, rdr, lfishl, RFK, Flav}.

PLEASE do not kill me, Bunny, sweet or Jamie and preferably not RHK. My recommended shoot order is

kotp
Flav
rdr
fish

[lfischl]

My guess for the remaining three is kotp rdr Bozo

iirc balki pushed rdr pretty hard right

Jamie-sweet and bozo?

what about rdr-bozo-kotp?

I missed this, but lfischl had seen damo's post. It is still odd that he copied damo's reads, and that damo then immediately changed them.

##vote king

I've scumread rdr most of the game, kotp is obvscum at least in my eyes, I think the RB is fake, and the last scum for me was between bozo and flav, I think I posted that before bozo claimed he had the shot but I'm not sure

[damo666]

I am caught up and have to go do some work.

Reviewing the game so far, I have to vote for sweet. Sweet's claim is not beneficial, in my opinion, from any town role perspective. I see brain believes that it is a possible tactic to draw scum attention onto a VT, and I understand this. But I don't think that town trying to confuse mafia is a good play for town, because mafia have information, and town does not. Fake claims lead to misunderstanding and division for town. For example, mafia can profit from sweet's fakeclaim by simply ignoring him, enabling a suspicion-spiral later in the game. Sweet's play undermines the town more than it enables our PRs.

##VOTE sweetandcool

VTs do not know if they are VT or not. This would be bad play.

In fact it is bad play whatever so ##vote sweet.

Okay guys, I feel absolutely horrible.

I was fake claiming Investigative Sheriff.

I am actually Desperado and am planning to shoot near EoD, about a half hour before deadline.

I will shoot the top wagon unless it is somehow me.

I was just claiming because I knew I would shoot today until I died.

I was quasi right then. ##unvote

I don't approve of what sweet has done but I think voting him now is definitely wrong so I am going to policy vote Sweet voters until they move

##vote Bunny

If you believed sweetandcool's second claim, why was it imperative for everyone to not vote for him, since if he did what he said he would do he would either not be in the game by EOD or the game would be over?

I didn't think it through. Just auto don't vote uncc'd town PR claim.

[lfischl]

iirc balki pushed rdr pretty hard right

what about rdr-bozo-kotp?

I missed this, but lfischl had seen damo's post. It is still odd that he copied damo's reads, and that damo then immediately changed them.

##vote king

I've scumread rdr most of the game, kotp is obvscum at least in my eyes, I think the RB is fake, and the last scum for me was between bozo and flav, I think I posted that before bozo claimed he had the shot but I'm not sure

If something seems off here I still need to catch up, have had a busy last couple days

[sweetandcool]

I am caught up and have to go do some work.

Reviewing the game so far, I have to vote for sweet. Sweet's claim is not beneficial, in my opinion, from any town role perspective. I see brain believes that it is a possible tactic to draw scum attention onto a VT, and I understand this. But I don't think that town trying to confuse mafia is a good play for town, because mafia have information, and town does not. Fake claims lead to misunderstanding and division for town. For example, mafia can profit from sweet's fakeclaim by simply ignoring him, enabling a suspicion-spiral later in the game. Sweet's play undermines the town more than it enables our PRs.

##VOTE sweetandcool

VTs do not know if they are VT or not. This would be bad play.

In fact it is bad play whatever so ##vote sweet.

Okay guys, I feel absolutely horrible.

I was fake claiming Investigative Sheriff.

I am actually Desperado and am planning to shoot near EoD, about a half hour before deadline.

I will shoot the top wagon unless it is somehow me.

I was just claiming because I knew I would shoot today until I died.

I was quasi right then. ##unvote

I don't approve of what sweet has done but I think voting him now is definitely wrong so I am going to policy vote Sweet voters until they move

##vote Bunny

If you believed sweetandcool's second claim, why was it imperative for everyone to not vote for him, since if he did what he said he would do he would either not be in the game by EOD or the game would be over?

I was puzzled by that at the time, that nobody pointed out that if I was telling the truth I would be dead EoD no matter what.

But I didn't want to point that out because I didn't want to encourage votes on me.

[damo666]

Hmmm, I see everyone is voting me, but I am not caught up. Can someone give me the quick version? I only have a few minutes.

Eden is cop with a guilty scan on you

Hmmm, I see everyone is voting me, but I am not caught up. Can someone give me the quick version? I only have a few minutes.

Eden claims a guilty scan on you

Maybe these responses were scum motivated.

It is interesting that lfischl says "is cop" and not "claims cop".

Yep

[Jamiet99uk]

Since:

- There is a tie;
- I do not wish to me Modkilled;
- Bozo will not help apparently.

Therefore:

##Vote Bozo.

Why are you so scared?

If I am modkilled it makes it more likely that town will lose.

[Jamiet99uk]

Could they have 3?

I believe they get four, and assuming Balki fired a shot but the other gunshots were town, then yes, they could. They could have three.

I find this suspicious because I don't think there is any chance that Jamie would not know for certain, regardless of his alignment, that the mafia get 4 guns.

I said they get four guns. I didn't say otherwise.

[lfischl]

Since:

- There is a tie;
- I do not wish to me Modkilled;
- Bozo will not help apparently.

Therefore:

##Vote Bozo.

Why are you so scared?

If I am modkilled it makes it more likely that town will lose.

I think I'm getting modkilled now right since I tied it

[bozotheclown]

My guess for the remaining three is kotp rdr Bozo

what about rdr-bozo-kotp?

I have lots of triplets as possible scumteams but for the sake of bozo's survey I will say {kotp, lfischl, demonRHK}.


This leaves those 3 and Flav as not having taken part.

If there are not at least 2 scum in those 4 I'll be amazed.

Jamie, kingofthepirates, rdr

Still catching up, internet is awful right now so that and responses will be slow

damo and lfischl both took me out of their scum reads and put in one of my scum reads for unexplained reasons.

O bozo you are becoming a very insecure gunman and you are making me nervous. By this stage you had claimed so obviously come out. I said 'for the sake of the survey' among many 'possible triplets.' I think it was evident at the time I believed the remianing three to be in {kotp, rdr, lfishl, RFK, Flav}.

PLEASE do not kill me, Bunny, sweet or Jamie and preferably not RHK. My recommended shoot order is

kotp
Flav
rdr
fish

How did Flavius become one of your top 2 scum reads since this:

I have revised my towncore to just 4

me Flav sweet and DemonRHK

the silence is deafening

[Jamiet99uk]

Why are you so scared?

If I am modkilled it makes it more likely that town will lose.

I think I'm getting modkilled now right since I tied it

Let me help you.

##Vote Lfischl

[lfischl]

If I am modkilled it makes it more likely that town will lose.

I think I'm getting modkilled now right since I tied it

Let me help you.

##Vote Lfischl

[bozotheclown]

I believe they get four, and assuming Balki fired a shot but the other gunshots were town, then yes, they could. They could have three.

I find this suspicious because I don't think there is any chance that Jamie would not know for certain, regardless of his alignment, that the mafia get 4 guns.

I said they get four guns. I didn't say otherwise.

You said it in a way that sounded like you were not certain.

[bozotheclown]

It's fine. You aren't one of the Massholes.

So I am behind a large chunk of N2 up to now. There a reason we ain't voting fish for that really ugly stall attempt on the hammer?

RHK could have voted for lfischl instead of complaining that no one was voting for him.

[Jamiet99uk]

I find this suspicious because I don't think there is any chance that Jamie would not know for certain, regardless of his alignment, that the mafia get 4 guns.

I said they get four guns. I didn't say otherwise.

You said it in a way that sounded like you were not certain.

Not at all. I am simply quite verbose. My belief that the Mafia get four guns was extremely firm, based on the fact that the setup says that this is the case. I did not say "I'm not sure but maybe they get four", I did not convey doubt or uncertainty, in any way.

You are nit-picking over very minor issues of syntax and I am not going to entertain this discussion point any further.

[damo666]

Why are you so scared?

If I am modkilled it makes it more likely that town will lose.

I think I'm getting modkilled now right since I tied it

I think this indicates kotp and fish are not scummates.

If kotp is scum then his likely teammates are rdr and Flav.

If fish is scum then rdr and Flav would both have to be bussing. As fish has only recently been in contention with kotp I think tis unlikely. In which case who are fish's teammates???

If kotp and fish are both town we have a curious scumteam, say {rdr, Flav, sweet}. Very questionable.

Also note fish put Balki in the lead on D2.

I think kotp has to be scum and therefore rdr and Flav are is his teammates. This is the solution I came up with recently.

Confirmation.

Case solved.

Thanks very much.

[sweetandcool]

I said they get four guns. I didn't say otherwise.

You said it in a way that sounded like you were not certain.

Not at all. I am simply quite verbose. My belief that the Mafia get four guns was extremely firm, based on the fact that the setup says that this is the case. I did not say "I'm not sure but maybe they get four", I did not convey doubt or uncertainty, in any way.

You are nit-picking over very minor issues of syntax and I am not going to entertain this discussion point any further.

I agree with Jamiet here.

But I would also like to point out that Jamiet nitpicked me for literally the same thing, when I also said "I think" about the setup.

[DemonRHK]

It's fine. You aren't one of the Massholes.

So I am behind a large chunk of N2 up to now. There a reason we ain't voting fish for that really ugly stall attempt on the hammer?

RHK could have voted for lfischl instead of complaining that no one was voting for him.

I'm not voting alongside Flav. I support the wagon, but I will not vote alongside that man.

[DemonRHK]

Plus, I am happy voting for my top scumread. If thing force a change at EoD, so be it if I am here.

[sweetandcool]

Today I'm going to look horrible.

I am sick and am probably having to make a spur of the moment road trip that will take most of today.

I'm going to put down brief thoughts but I just can't participate the way I would want, sorry.