M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[Jamiet99uk]

Bozo, it seems very unlikely you're going to get your desired flip of Sweet today.

Would you consider voting for someone else?

You can shoot Sweet if you really want to (but I don't think you ought to do that).

[bozotheclown]

Mafia Team:

brainbomb
Balki
Bunny
Flavius or lfischl

I understand, but brief reason why Bunny?

Like give us two reasons and two or three sentences?

Pretty please?

I am not paying attention to this game.

Bunny is top wagon atm. No one voted BB with me (and yes I don’t count you) when really given the chance.

I will happily vote for Chaqa, Flavius, or you for for the bitching of brain yet disappearance.

So your reasoning is Bunny is top wagon and that's it?

Yikes, I know how infuriating it is when you are Town and people vote you because you are top wagon.

##VOTE King instead.

Why did you choose kingofthepirates there?

[bozotheclown]

come on sweet. rise above the moment and make a proclamation. the town -you- should be able to squash this with ease. if there's no merit to it, you should be able to have some eureka here and turn this around vs me.

excited for yet another battle. lets do this

Yeah I barely have time to solve. I am going to be productive and build a case on Flav.

King is caught, after my case Flav will be as well, then it's just a matter of puzzling the last one out.

When and why did you become 100% certain kingofthepirates is mafia?

[damo666]

I am still not certain of anything, but D2 I did not know Balki was mafia. Since we now probably do not have anymore mis-kills available, I plan on using the gun D3.

Just wondering is that actually true? Do we really only have one miskill left? I think its several

7-3 rn
6-3 if we MK
5-3 due to NK
one for spare incase mafia have a gun or you shoot wrong

The mafia could have 2 guns left.

Could they have 3?

[Jamiet99uk]

Just wondering is that actually true? Do we really only have one miskill left? I think its several

7-3 rn
6-3 if we MK
5-3 due to NK
one for spare incase mafia have a gun or you shoot wrong

The mafia could have 2 guns left.

Could they have 3?

I believe they get four, and assuming Balki fired a shot but the other gunshots were town, then yes, they could. They could have three.

[BunnyGo]

There have been 5 VTs removed from the game and 6 left in the game, so there is a good chance at least one town gun was removed before being activated.

1 mafia has been removed, so it is possible one mafia gun was removed before being activated.

If the mafia shot worcej, then they had 2 guns activate D2, which would mean there is a 50% chance Balki used a gun D2 and the mafia have 2 guns left.

Case 1: mafia shot worcej, Balki used a gun
7-3 with 2 mafia shots left, a D3 mis-kill would be a mafia win without an accurate town shot

Case 2: mafia shot worcej, Balki did not use a gun
7-3 with 1 mafia shot left, town can afford a mis-kill without an inaccurate town shot

Case 3: town shot worcej, Balki used a gun
7-3 with 3 mafia shots left, a D3 mis-kill would be a mafia win without an accurate town shot

Case 4: town shot worcej, Balki did not use a gun
7-3 with 2 mafia shots left, a D3 mis-kill would be a mafia win without an accurate town shot

If I assume the mafia shot worcej, since it has not been claimed, there is 50% chance of case 1, where an accurate DK would mean that town has a "free shot", where a missed shot would not cost us the game, making it effectively 3-2 D4 instead of 4-2.

However, it would also mean there is a 50% chance of case 2, where a missed DK would mean that a missed shot could cost town the game.

Sweet claims he shot worcej.

Does this mean you should shoot sweet?

Did brain tell us whom he shot?

[dargorygel]

##GMMY THINGIES

Huckelberries

The movie “Tombstone” came out in 1993, but even all these years later, one line from the film stands out. The phrase “I’m your huckleberry,” spoken by Val Kilmer as Doc Holliday in the film, can still be seen on t-shirts and in memes everywhere.

You might be surprised to learn that Doc Holliday actually spoke the line in real life too. Hollywood wasn’t taking liberties with the truth this time. The team creating Tombstone worked hard to keep things as authentic as they could.

But what does the phrase “I’m your huckleberry” actually mean? Why would Doc Holliday say it?

Holliday says, “I’m your huckleberry” at two points in the film, both when speaking to Johnny Ringo. The first time he says the phrase is when Ringo confronts Wyatt Earp in the street. Holliday gets involved, getting up out of his barber chair and saying the fabled line “I’m your huckleberry.”

When Doc Holliday says the phrase, he has his hand on one holstered pistol, and he has another weapon ready to fire behind his back. Obviously, the phrase “I’m your huckleberry” wasn’t meant as a friendly greeting. If your friends greet you this way, you might want to consider getting new friends.

Holliday says “I’m your huckleberry” again when he meets Ringo in the clearing. He shoots Ringo dead after saying it, using a pistol. In the film, Doc Holliday also had a “street howitzer, which he also carried to the OK Corral

There are several intriguing theories about what Holliday meant by “I’m your huckleberry.” For instance, during medieval times, a knight coming to the rescue of a damsel would receive a garland made of huckleberries. The knight would ride into battle with the garland draped over his lance. Being a Southern gentleman, Doc would’ve known this bit of medieval lore, since the South glorified knights and chivalry. So when he’s saying, “I’ll be your huckleberry,” he could be offering to act as Wyatt Earp’s champion.
However, there are a few issues with this theory. In the film, Holliday doesn’t seem to be addressing Earp directly when he says the phrase for the first time. Instead, he‘s looking at Johnny Ringo. The second time Holliday says it, Earp isn’t even in the scene! So why would Holliday be saying that he’s Earp’s champion? It doesn’t make a lot of sense.

The phrase may have been based on Mark Twain’s classic character Huckleberry Finn. Huck was a character in The Adventures of Tom Sawyer. Huckleberry Finn always found himself getting into trouble, but he kept a cool head and managed to save the day. Tom Sawyer was popular in Doc Holliday’s time, so the phrase could’ve been a literary reference.

But this explanation doesn’t seem likely. While Doc was probably familiar with the book, dropping a literary reference doesn’t seem appropriate for the situation. A gunfight isn’t the best place to show that you’re well-read.
Some folks think that Holliday may have said something else in real life. He might’ve said, “I’m your huckle bearer.” In the South, a huckle was a casket handle. A huckle bearer would be the person carrying a coffin, essentially a pallbearer.

According to this theory, what Holliday should have said in the film is, “I’m your huckle bearer.” The theory goes that Val Kilmer accidentally said huckleberry instead, and the line stuck. There are a couple of problems with that explanation. First, no official copy of the script has ever been seen with the words “huckle bearer” used. I’ve had Kilmer’s script in my hand, and it said, “huckleberry.”

So what’s the truth about Holliday’s famous catch-phrase? Here’s our best explanation for the meaning of the term.

Another Southern slang usage of huckleberry was “the right person for the job.” In both instances of Holliday using the phrase in the film, Johnny Ringo is hoping to spark violence. What Holliday is saying to Johnny Ringo is that if he’s looking for trouble, Holliday’s the guy to give it to him.

If you watch the rest of the film, you know that Holliday is telling the truth. Doc Holliday is nothing but trouble for Johnny Ringo. Don’t feel too sorry for Johnny, though—he had it coming.

Votes Counts
kingofthepirates (3) damo, Bunny, rdr
lfischl (3) Flav, kotp, Jamie
FlaviusAetius (3) Demon, sweet
sweetandcool (1) bozo

The vote is tied. (caused by Jamiet99uk)
If this were the EoD, Jamie would die, and lfischl would die.

Day ends in around 7 ¾ hours.

[bozotheclown]

Why lfischl?

[bozotheclown]

Is someone shooting lfischl?

[dargorygel]

Why lfischl?

If you are addressing the GMs... lfischl is presently slated to die because they have not voted.

[bozotheclown]

Why lfischl?

If you are addressing the GMs... lfischl is presently slated to die because they have not voted.

OK, thanks, I missed that.

[bozotheclown]

There have been 5 VTs removed from the game and 6 left in the game, so there is a good chance at least one town gun was removed before being activated.

1 mafia has been removed, so it is possible one mafia gun was removed before being activated.

If the mafia shot worcej, then they had 2 guns activate D2, which would mean there is a 50% chance Balki used a gun D2 and the mafia have 2 guns left.

Case 1: mafia shot worcej, Balki used a gun
7-3 with 2 mafia shots left, a D3 mis-kill would be a mafia win without an accurate town shot

Case 2: mafia shot worcej, Balki did not use a gun
7-3 with 1 mafia shot left, town can afford a mis-kill without an inaccurate town shot

Case 3: town shot worcej, Balki used a gun
7-3 with 3 mafia shots left, a D3 mis-kill would be a mafia win without an accurate town shot

Case 4: town shot worcej, Balki did not use a gun
7-3 with 2 mafia shots left, a D3 mis-kill would be a mafia win without an accurate town shot

If I assume the mafia shot worcej, since it has not been claimed, there is 50% chance of case 1, where an accurate DK would mean that town has a "free shot", where a missed shot would not cost us the game, making it effectively 3-2 D4 instead of 4-2.

However, it would also mean there is a 50% chance of case 2, where a missed DK would mean that a missed shot could cost town the game.

Sweet claims he shot worcej.

Does this mean you should shoot sweet?

Did brain tell us whom he shot?

##VOTE Pirate

Going to keep chugging along with my case on Flav.

If we don't vote out one of these guys today I am going to go crazy.

We need to know how many town guns we have now. Did you shoot worcej?

No I did not.

No thats boring.
Yes I killed Chaqa

now give me everything you have and try to take me down

[bozotheclown]

The thing about this game being ultra-swingy could probably move certain players to play differently than they normally would.

-Balki has been very under the radar and Ive not really seen him try to solve anyone the way he did when I was scum. He's doing the thing I do where he judges and comments, rather than prods and experiments. Plus, he has not called anyone servile to rile them up.

-Chaqa did that very good post, that might have totally fooled me spectacularly. However, if he really had already gotten to the point of having such a good oversight, where was LEADER CHAQA that we have seen in the past when he was super involved. If Chaqa is scum, this will probably be the first time in history he does not N1 me because they probably dont wanna use their 1 NK right now.

-Rdrivera was actually more active and had way more attractive opinions than he normally does. He also seemed to be afraid of getting killed early for some reason, which never ever happens.

-Jamiet actually did not really get angry even though there was plenty of reason for it to happen. I might have to revisit my initial gutsensation of his progression 1-2-3 not making sense.

-Sweet has really used his gimmick as a shield to not really actually interact with the game and solve it. I did really like that big wallpost he did explaining his shit though, but im not sure if its enough.

this is the post that got vecna nightkilled.

he names the vast majority of the mafia team here in Jamie, Sweet, and Balki. the only scum he misses in the process is Kotp who stayed relatively UTR or in vecnas TRs.

Vecna explains exactly why Balki, Sweet, and Jamie are each mafia, ignoring their posturing and bussing. This then prompts Balki and team to need to kill Vecna, and the following day also go a step further, to double down on EACH other as it were. Knowing guns may be in play sweet is deemed the team sacrifice, where they falsely assume that multiple town might just shoot sweet. So their goal is to case sweet, and put multiple mafia on sweet most of the day.

As the day goes along, Balki and Jamie both lose their appetite for the process seeing only brainbomb and bunny join the sweet bait. At that point Jamie who probably had the gun is trying to choose between killing bunny or killing sweet. (my guess based on how Jamie indented his posts weirdly on those two).

Each scum also sets aside a preferred miskill they think they can get, and a towny they think they can manipulate. Jamie thinks chaqa is able to be steered, so jamie tries to steer chaqa onto bozo, and tries to also feed chaqas distrust of damo.

sweet tries to feed the collective distrust of brainbomb and of lfischl.

while Balki tries to make jamie and sweet look good by bussing them.

all the while, KOTP is just laying low, doing what he does best. occasionally show up to make a bland string of questions, leave abruptly and never discuss much else

This could be correct, it would explain why sweetandcool is now 100% certain kingofthepirates is mafia if he decided to bus him, and would also explain why sweetandcool is not currently voting for the player he is certain is mafia.

[kingofthepirates]

Where did you mention me being scum before and for what reasons?

I briefly mentioned it in a post on page 145. It is this:

not all, I'm chugging through D2 mainly rn. From what I've seen, I want to scum read Flavius the most? page 44 post has some holes that I didn't notice before that make it look like flavius didn't read everything, since several spots were missed (willing to elaborate if needed). Maybe it is just that, missing spots, but maybe its scum!flavius intentionally skipping posts to get more 'credit'.

I assume you might want where the holes are. I'll hold off for now since it's pretty long, but this was my original reason for scum reading you. pg 44 was one of the big things I distinctly remember this game, and I think now that I've found holes, it's not looking too good.

[Jamiet99uk]

There have been 5 VTs removed from the game and 6 left in the game, so there is a good chance at least one town gun was removed before being activated.

1 mafia has been removed, so it is possible one mafia gun was removed before being activated.

If the mafia shot worcej, then they had 2 guns activate D2, which would mean there is a 50% chance Balki used a gun D2 and the mafia have 2 guns left.

Case 1: mafia shot worcej, Balki used a gun
7-3 with 2 mafia shots left, a D3 mis-kill would be a mafia win without an accurate town shot

Case 2: mafia shot worcej, Balki did not use a gun
7-3 with 1 mafia shot left, town can afford a mis-kill without an inaccurate town shot

Case 3: town shot worcej, Balki used a gun
7-3 with 3 mafia shots left, a D3 mis-kill would be a mafia win without an accurate town shot

Case 4: town shot worcej, Balki did not use a gun
7-3 with 2 mafia shots left, a D3 mis-kill would be a mafia win without an accurate town shot

If I assume the mafia shot worcej, since it has not been claimed, there is 50% chance of case 1, where an accurate DK would mean that town has a "free shot", where a missed shot would not cost us the game, making it effectively 3-2 D4 instead of 4-2.

However, it would also mean there is a 50% chance of case 2, where a missed DK would mean that a missed shot could cost town the game.

Sweet claims he shot worcej.

Does this mean you should shoot sweet?

Did brain tell us whom he shot?

Sweet retracted his claim to have shot Worcej.

Do try to keep up, Bungo

[Jamiet99uk]

I do not want to be modkilled.

Bozo, clearly Sweetandcool is not going to be the flip today. Would you consider moving your vote?

[DemonRHK]

Getting this in while I have time.

Bozo - Bozo was a slight town prior to becoming second amendment suzie. That actually makes him quite a bot more town, and tracks why I felt like he backed off somewhat D2, it was to keep the gun hidden and now reveal it D3. I may not like the direction he's pointing it, but that doesn't make this play any less town.
+90% Town+

Bunny - I was suspicious of Bunny for a while, but there has been forward solving in the last few days. The amount of case I think Bunny could be scum is limited by the sheer number of unclears and links (or lack thereof) to people beside the one possible rdr one.
+75% Town+

damo - I call damo low key town in most games. He's a slow burn and not a fan of splashy big plays but is usually a solid rock (when we let him live past D1). He's thrown weioght and opinions behind most of the divisive issues in the game (mostly sweet) I think if we pull this out damo will be our hope.
+85% Town+

Flav - Flav is all white noise. Buries you under a wall of quotes and emphasis with regurgitation of what others are saying. Tried to take credit for the food wagon (Why?) and was the third vote on it (Rule of three anyone?), holds up poorly under question and the takes in the moment are hot garbage.
-5% Town-

Jamie = Jamie is near fucking impossible to read. I had some bad scum vibes at first, then jamie mellowed out about halfway into D1. I normally use Jamie and Brain to discern the other's alignment. Call it the shitstorm scale. The more the two are at each other's throat, the higher the odds they are opposing allignments. Brain was true blue, even before the flip, so I am reading jamie town as well. He's a bit indifferent at times, but that feels like a measures step back for the sake of emotion.
~65% Town~

KOTP - King has been a void. Claimed illness among other things. Also claiming a RB after the cop is dead. This now a whole fucking cask of WIFOM. It's either last ditch to save a scum or a fucking frame-job. The iso is bad, but I'm hesitating.
~40% Town~

Fish - I feel like everything that can be said for kotp can be said for fish, but fish has just felt less impactful. I feel the few times king comes in, there is at least something to go off of, even in excessive catchup. But I get none of that here. Almost as if the silence is intentional.
-25% Town-

rdr - I have a historically bad habit of reading rdr. It's why I have taken the habit of just not trying and nulling him. I feel his activity has picked up in the last day or two, and rdr has been adding to conversations. I still waver, as he was the other D1 wagon and, well, I read the man for shit as previously stated.
~50% Town~

sweet - How in god's name sweet has gotten away with shitposting as much as he has in a game with this many guns is nothing short of divine intervention. Sweet has driven so god damn much conversation, fake claims fucking everything, and being the center of attention. But, hse's given reads, opinions, fostered conversation, and allowed us to have a lot of history to parse. There is a slight chance this is open wolfing, but I do not believe that is the case.
+85% Town+

On finally putting a full list of thoughts to paper (page?), I am resonably confident the scum are Flav, Fish, and one of the nulls. This pretty much is what I have been saying all day though, but I wanted to get a full read list down for you guys.

Just in case...well, ya know, bozo shoots his top scumread.

[bozotheclown]

Unless the mafia team contains lfischl, pirates and rdr which I very strongly doubt; mafia will try those options as long as they are there. And ill consider those slots lhf

[bozotheclown]

I do not want to be modkilled.

Bozo, clearly Sweetandcool is not going to be the flip today. Would you consider moving your vote?

##VOTE Jamie

[Jamiet99uk]

I do not want to be modkilled.

Bozo, clearly Sweetandcool is not going to be the flip today. Would you consider moving your vote?

##VOTE Jamie

No, not like that.