M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[bozotheclown]

I think that Sweet is right.

I think we are both town, and this whole thing between us since D1 has been a distracting mess.

##Vote Bozo

What made you change your mind on sweetandcool?

[bozotheclown]

So I work tomorrow, thus I am going to try to get a super detailed post done well before EoD. Bozo, you just wanna go ahead and confirm I ain't making it to night? I wanna know if I can make plans for this weekend.

I have not made a decison yet, what is your suggestion?

[sweetandcool]

@Bozo my off-the-cuff guess is lfischl.

I will update it once I've thought good and hard about it.

Now please stop distracting me from my case on Flavius.

Still waiting

A parody expressing how I feel:

So am I still waiting
For this Flav to quit hating.
Can't find a, good reason.
Can't find a thought I believe in.

Drop dead, a bullet in my head
Your words are like a gun in hand.
You can't change the state of the game thread
We just need some motivation.

These eyes have seen no conviction
Just lies and more contradiction.
So tell me, what should we do?
I'd say it's time to......

##VOTE Flav

[dargorygel]

##GM NOAT

The Sundance Kid and Butch Cassidy

Born in 1867, The Sundance Kid (Henry Longabaugh) earned his nickname when he was caught and convicted of horse thievery in Sundance, Wyoming. Despite his reputation as a gunfighter, he is not certain to have actually killed anyone.

After his release from jail in 1896, he and Robert LeRoy Parker aka “Butch Cassidy” formed the gang known as the Wild Bunch. They were responsible for the longest string of successful train and bank robberies in American history. Due to the pressure of the Pinkerton Detective Agency on their trail, Sundance, Butch, and Etta Place left the United States for Argentina to let things cool down.

He is believed to have been killed in a shootout in Bolivia, but several family members claim he actually returned to the states, changed his name to William Henry Long, and lived in the small town of Duchesne, Utah until 1936. Long’s body has been exhumed and underwent DNA testing to determine the truth. The evidence was inconclusive, with a leaning towards negative.

Butch Cassidy was born in 1866. In 1879, at the age of 13, Robert LeRoy Parker (Butch Cassidy) lived and worked with his family on the ranch of Jim Marshall in Circleville, Utah. It was there that he met his friend and mentor, Mike Cassidy who gave Bob his first gun and taught him how to shoot. Years later, Bob would take his last name, Cassidy, as a tribute.

His first run-in with the law occurred when he rode into town to buy a new pair of overalls. The general store was closed, so Bob let himself in, found a pair that fit, and left a note promising that he would be back to pay later. The merchant reported him to the Sherriff, but for some reason he was acquitted of any crime.

On June 24, 1889, he and three others robbed the San Miguel Valley Bank in Telluride, netting $21,000.

With this money, he bought a ranch near the infamous “Hole-in-the-Wall” outlaw hideout. Parker, by this time “Butch Cassidy”, was never a very good rancher, and it is believed to have simply been a cover for his illegal activities. In 1896, he became the leader of the infamous group of criminals known as the Wild Bunch that included some of the most well-known outlaws of the Wild West.

As with the Sundance Kid, it is unknown if he really died in Bolivia, or if, as some relatives claim, he returned to America.

One Day Out Vote Count

kingofthepirates (4) damo, Bunny, Jamie, rdr
lfischl (2) Flav, kotp
FlaviusAetius (2) Demon, sweet
sweetandcool (1) bozo


lfi has not voted.

24 HOURS left in this DAY, day 3… which is between N2 and N3.

[DemonRHK]

So I work tomorrow, thus I am going to try to get a super detailed post done well before EoD. Bozo, you just wanna go ahead and confirm I ain't making it to night? I wanna know if I can make plans for this weekend.

I have not made a decison yet, what is your suggestion?

If I had a gun two bullets, and I was in a room with Hitler, Stalin, and Flav, I would doublt tap Flav and then pistol whip him for good measure.

[bozotheclown]

1.
Foodcoat said sweet is going to be claiming a role because he thinks its optimal play and he KNEW about this head of time. Instead of EXPLAINING to sweet why it would be wrong he chose to do it here. Fine whatever.

2.
He says we should NOT be voting for sweet...why? Because he legit claimed a town role how can we vote for someone like that when its so easy to verify?
YET
He then goes onto sweet; WHY? Never explained

3.
During the whole Jamie thing do you know what food did? He votes DAMO. To "diffuse the tensions" like? Jamie gets mad early game when people go on him for being mad, it always happens and the wagon ALWAYS dies. Do you know what that whole thing DOES tell us though? INFORMATION. foodcoats is trying to diffuse the tensions for no reason...

4.
And you know what else about that damo vote I just went back and look at this; he INITIALLY said that we should be going after lurkers D1, then flipped when I pressed on him again to say it was just one big joke.

He is flipflopping nad I dont like it not one bit I want explanations and now.
SWEET you should NOT go for foodcoats unless its SOON. Go for someone ELSE you think is mafia or better yet wait until D2.
IF you are Desperado that is, if you think the game is up and you are going to die N1 then start shooting man dont wait until EOD.

Like this post, I’m fine voting food here. I will be driving a good part of tomorrow so I’m gonna throw my vote on ##vote food for now just so I don’t get modkilled, I should be around before EOD just not sure exactly when

slowly catching up, I like the case against food from page 44. ##vote food

lfischl and kingofthepirates both cited the Flavius case against foodcoats as a reason to vote for foodcoats. I think this makes it unlikely either one is mafia with Flavius. I also think it makes it less likely they are mafia together. It is possible kingofthepirates did not see what lfischl had said, but I think he would be paying attention to his teammates votes.

[sweetandcool]

1.
Foodcoat said sweet is going to be claiming a role because he thinks its optimal play and he KNEW about this head of time. Instead of EXPLAINING to sweet why it would be wrong he chose to do it here. Fine whatever.

2.
He says we should NOT be voting for sweet...why? Because he legit claimed a town role how can we vote for someone like that when its so easy to verify?
YET
He then goes onto sweet; WHY? Never explained

3.
During the whole Jamie thing do you know what food did? He votes DAMO. To "diffuse the tensions" like? Jamie gets mad early game when people go on him for being mad, it always happens and the wagon ALWAYS dies. Do you know what that whole thing DOES tell us though? INFORMATION. foodcoats is trying to diffuse the tensions for no reason...

4.
And you know what else about that damo vote I just went back and look at this; he INITIALLY said that we should be going after lurkers D1, then flipped when I pressed on him again to say it was just one big joke.

He is flipflopping nad I dont like it not one bit I want explanations and now.
SWEET you should NOT go for foodcoats unless its SOON. Go for someone ELSE you think is mafia or better yet wait until D2.
IF you are Desperado that is, if you think the game is up and you are going to die N1 then start shooting man dont wait until EOD.

Like this post, I’m fine voting food here. I will be driving a good part of tomorrow so I’m gonna throw my vote on ##vote food for now just so I don’t get modkilled, I should be around before EOD just not sure exactly when

slowly catching up, I like the case against food from page 44. ##vote food

lfischl and kingofthepirates both cited the Flavius case against foodcoats as a reason to vote for foodcoats. I think this makes it unlikely either one is mafia with Flavius. I also think it makes it less likely they are mafia together. It is possible kingofthepirates did not see what lfischl had said, but I think he would be paying attention to his teammates votes.

Disagree with your conclusion.

Most likely scum Pirate saw what lfischl said and thought it was going to be easy to sheep without drawing attention. And it worked!

I don't think it affects the probability of Flav being teammates with Pirate or even really lfisch for that matter.

[bozotheclown]

Predictions of the final 3 mafia:

bozo: RHK, Jamie, sweetandcool
sweetandcool: Flavius, kingofthepirates, bozo
Jamie: bozo, lfischl, kingofthepirates
rdrivera: lfischl, Jamie, Flavius
BunnyGo: kingofthepirates, lfischl, Jamie
damo: kingofthepirates, lfischl, RHK
RHK: Flavius, lfischl, rdrivera
lfischl: Jamie, kingofthepirates, rdrivera
kingofthepirates: Flavius, lfischl, ?
Flavius: sweetandcool, rdrivera, Jamie

Can the 4 players who list Flavius with either kingofthepirates or lfischl please give me their opinion on my previous post?

[bozotheclown]

Like this post, I’m fine voting food here. I will be driving a good part of tomorrow so I’m gonna throw my vote on ##vote food for now just so I don’t get modkilled, I should be around before EOD just not sure exactly when

slowly catching up, I like the case against food from page 44. ##vote food

lfischl and kingofthepirates both cited the Flavius case against foodcoats as a reason to vote for foodcoats. I think this makes it unlikely either one is mafia with Flavius. I also think it makes it less likely they are mafia together. It is possible kingofthepirates did not see what lfischl had said, but I think he would be paying attention to his teammates votes.

Disagree with your conclusion.

Most likely scum Pirate saw what lfischl said and thought it was going to be easy to sheep without drawing attention. And it worked!

I don't think it affects the probability of Flav being teammates with Pirate or even really lfisch for that matter.

Why cite a mafia teammate as a reason for voting for a town?

[sweetandcool]

lfischl and kingofthepirates both cited the Flavius case against foodcoats as a reason to vote for foodcoats. I think this makes it unlikely either one is mafia with Flavius. I also think it makes it less likely they are mafia together. It is possible kingofthepirates did not see what lfischl had said, but I think he would be paying attention to his teammates votes.

Disagree with your conclusion.

Most likely scum Pirate saw what lfischl said and thought it was going to be easy to sheep without drawing attention. And it worked!

I don't think it affects the probability of Flav being teammates with Pirate or even really lfisch for that matter.

Why cite a mafia teammate as a reason for voting for a town?

Why not?

[FlaviusAetius]

It's fine. You aren't one of the Massholes.

So I am behind a large chunk of N2 up to now. There a reason we ain't voting fish for that really ugly stall attempt on the hammer?

Him and damo, damo I think is town if it was just fischl I would say it almost a scumslip

[FlaviusAetius]

Been under the weather these past few days, but bed rest has helped. I'm fully present now, and will continue to be for the rest of the game hopefully. I was also role blocked last night, if that means anything.

Have you read all of the thread?

Can you please provide your prediction of the 3 remaining mafia?

not all, I'm chugging through D2 mainly rn. From what I've seen, I want to scum read Flavius the most? page 44 post has some holes that I didn't notice before that make it look like flavius didn't read everything, since several spots were missed (willing to elaborate if needed). Maybe it is just that, missing spots, but maybe its scum!flavius intentionally skipping posts to get more 'credit'.

What did I miss ? I will go back to anything I have missed, the only way I miss stuff is because I want to be active participant of EOD's

[DemonRHK]

Can the 4 players who list Flavius with either kingofthepirates or lfischl please give me their opinion on my previous post?

I think you give scum waaaaay too much credit. There is almost no way you can go through games as muddy as ours without interacting / citing teammates posts. Thinking that scum wouldn't pile on wagons with teammates is just plain gullible. In addition, by the time kotp voted it was already a runaway.

[FlaviusAetius]

It's fine. You aren't one of the Massholes.

So I am behind a large chunk of N2 up to now. There a reason we ain't voting fish for that really ugly stall attempt on the hammer?

Well.....

Damo, who did the same thing as Lfischl (and drew just as much rage from President Eden), has argued that it was not a scummy thing to do:

Damo, can you explain why you did this?



Did you not realise that posting that for Balki was sub-optimal play?

It was not.

If Balki was town it was irrelevant.

If Balki was scum he already knew he was in trouble and would have already organised his shot. Arguably he could have switched the shot from some other town to Eden but the net effect is actually +ve since without a switch we would have lost a town, potentially a lawman, to allow an exposed Eden to live who could never have got another scan off.

What do you think of Damo's argument here?

I actually think this might implicate fischl; damo actually explained his reasonings although I dont disagree, at least he explained it, there is no way fischl didnt see that several people told him what the heck he doing; he just ignored them, not a good look

[FlaviusAetius]

I don't know, but they practically town cleared kingofthepirates by doing it, I think the chance that kingofthepirates would fake claim a RB as mafia here is very small.

That seems a bit WIFOM-y, Bozo.

Not to me, we should consider kingofthepirates cleared town since we don't have any room for error.

I think its a good argument but I would just like more I guess

[damo666]

1.
Foodcoat said sweet is going to be claiming a role because he thinks its optimal play and he KNEW about this head of time. Instead of EXPLAINING to sweet why it would be wrong he chose to do it here. Fine whatever.

2.
He says we should NOT be voting for sweet...why? Because he legit claimed a town role how can we vote for someone like that when its so easy to verify?
YET
He then goes onto sweet; WHY? Never explained

3.
During the whole Jamie thing do you know what food did? He votes DAMO. To "diffuse the tensions" like? Jamie gets mad early game when people go on him for being mad, it always happens and the wagon ALWAYS dies. Do you know what that whole thing DOES tell us though? INFORMATION. foodcoats is trying to diffuse the tensions for no reason...

4.
And you know what else about that damo vote I just went back and look at this; he INITIALLY said that we should be going after lurkers D1, then flipped when I pressed on him again to say it was just one big joke.

He is flipflopping nad I dont like it not one bit I want explanations and now.
SWEET you should NOT go for foodcoats unless its SOON. Go for someone ELSE you think is mafia or better yet wait until D2.
IF you are Desperado that is, if you think the game is up and you are going to die N1 then start shooting man dont wait until EOD.

Like this post, I’m fine voting food here. I will be driving a good part of tomorrow so I’m gonna throw my vote on ##vote food for now just so I don’t get modkilled, I should be around before EOD just not sure exactly when

slowly catching up, I like the case against food from page 44. ##vote food

lfischl and kingofthepirates both cited the Flavius case against foodcoats as a reason to vote for foodcoats. I think this makes it unlikely either one is mafia with Flavius. I also think it makes it less likely they are mafia together. It is possible kingofthepirates did not see what lfischl had said, but I think he would be paying attention to his teammates votes.

The highlighted sentence implies a maximum of one scum in lfischl, Flav and kotp. From mpov that means at least one in Jamie,sweet, Bunny, Bozo. I therefore think your hypothesis is incorrect.

[rdrivera2005]

Predictions of the final 3 mafia:

bozo: RHK, Jamie, sweetandcool
sweetandcool: Flavius, kingofthepirates, bozo
Jamie: bozo, lfischl, kingofthepirates
rdrivera: lfischl, Jamie, Flavius
BunnyGo: kingofthepirates, lfischl, Jamie
damo: kingofthepirates, lfischl, RHK
RHK: Flavius, lfischl, rdrivera
lfischl: Jamie, kingofthepirates, rdrivera
kingofthepirates: Flavius, lfischl, ?
Flavius: sweetandcool, rdrivera, Jamie

Can the 4 players who list Flavius with either kingofthepirates or lfischl please give me their opinion on my previous post?

I think highly unlikely all three are scum together. I think it's unlikely both lfishl are scum using the same town post from Flavius but possible if they need to park a vote and have no good argument
I think possible that one scum between lfishl or king used the argument from Flavius if a town used it first, no matter what alignment Flavius is.

Who voted first?

[rdrivera2005]

Lfischl voted first, I guess.

[damo666]

Predictions of the final 3 mafia:

bozo: RHK, Jamie, sweetandcool
sweetandcool: Flavius, kingofthepirates, bozo
Jamie: bozo, lfischl, kingofthepirates
rdrivera: lfischl, Jamie, Flavius
BunnyGo: kingofthepirates, lfischl, Jamie
damo: kingofthepirates, lfischl, RHK
RHK: Flavius, lfischl, rdrivera
lfischl: Jamie, kingofthepirates, rdrivera
kingofthepirates: Flavius, lfischl, ?
Flavius: sweetandcool, rdrivera, Jamie

On the assumption no scum would name both their teammates this leaves me with the following triplets:

k l d
l r d
k r f
k d f
l d f
r d f

Frequency count (among my scum candidates only)

k 3
l 3
r 3
d 5
f 4

On the assumption d is being set up the only solution I have left is {kotp, rdr, Flav} each would then be nominating one partner and one only.

I am reasonably happy with that as my solution.

With that solution townscores are as follows:

bozo nil
sweet 2
Jamie 1
Bunny 1
Demon 2
fish 2
damo 1

nobody gets it all correct.

Yeah this makes sense.

THE SOLUTION IS {kotp, rdr, Flav}

[BunnyGo]

Because I respect Chaqa and would assumed we wouldn't pull an anti-town play like firing unannounced. Worc is more prone to off the cuff plays like that and claiming in the aftermath.

They didn’t flip as lawmen the way brain did.

Why did you miss this?

I hadn't thought about it at that point. I was mostly emotional posting there. Brain wasn't dead then, and I'd forgotten about the change in flip after getting gunned. I don't go back and look at my Role PM a ton when it fucking says vanilla every goddamn game.

I *think* this is towny