M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[Jamiet99uk]

It's fine. You aren't one of the Massholes.

So I am behind a large chunk of N2 up to now. There a reason we ain't voting fish for that really ugly stall attempt on the hammer?

Well.....

Damo, who did the same thing as Lfischl (and drew just as much rage from President Eden), has argued that it was not a scummy thing to do:

Damo, can you explain why you did this?

Eden claims a guilty scan on you

Did you not realise that posting that for Balki was sub-optimal play?

It was not.

If Balki was town it was irrelevant.

If Balki was scum he already knew he was in trouble and would have already organised his shot. Arguably he could have switched the shot from some other town to Eden but the net effect is actually +ve since without a switch we would have lost a town, potentially a lawman, to allow an exposed Eden to live who could never have got another scan off.

What do you think of Damo's argument here?

[bozotheclown]

Why would the Mafia even use the roleblock after Eden died. It can't roleblock people getting guns, I'm sure.

I don't know, but they practically town cleared kingofthepirates by doing it, I think the chance that kingofthepirates would fake claim a RB as mafia here is very small.

[Jamiet99uk]

Why would the Mafia even use the roleblock after Eden died. It can't roleblock people getting guns, I'm sure.

I don't know, but they practically town cleared kingofthepirates by doing it, I think the chance that kingofthepirates would fake claim a RB as mafia here is very small.

That seems a bit WIFOM-y, Bozo.

[bozotheclown]

Why would the Mafia even use the roleblock after Eden died. It can't roleblock people getting guns, I'm sure.

I don't know, but they practically town cleared kingofthepirates by doing it, I think the chance that kingofthepirates would fake claim a RB as mafia here is very small.

That seems a bit WIFOM-y, Bozo.

Not to me, we should consider kingofthepirates cleared town since we don't have any room for error.

[bozotheclown]

Been under the weather these past few days, but bed rest has helped. I'm fully present now, and will continue to be for the rest of the game hopefully. I was also role blocked last night, if that means anything.

Have you read all of the thread?

Can you please provide your prediction of the 3 remaining mafia?

not all, I'm chugging through D2 mainly rn. From what I've seen, I want to scum read Flavius the most? page 44 post has some holes that I didn't notice before that make it look like flavius didn't read everything, since several spots were missed (willing to elaborate if needed). Maybe it is just that, missing spots, but maybe its scum!flavius intentionally skipping posts to get more 'credit'.

Thanks, can you please provide a prediction for all 3 remaining? I am trying to get everyone to do this.

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't know, but they practically town cleared kingofthepirates by doing it, I think the chance that kingofthepirates would fake claim a RB as mafia here is very small.

That seems a bit WIFOM-y, Bozo.

Not to me, we should consider kingofthepirates cleared town since we don't have any room for error.

Well I don't agree.

[bozotheclown]

That seems a bit WIFOM-y, Bozo.

Not to me, we should consider kingofthepirates cleared town since we don't have any room for error.

Well I don't agree.

Do you think kingofthepirates is fake claiming RB as mafia, then? He was not one of your 3 scum predictions, are you updating your prediction based on his RB claim?

[sweetandcool]

If you assume a town shot worcej, why do you believe my claim?

Why wouldn't I?

Any number of gunmen can be activated any day.

Three shots occurred, I suppose a fourth activation is unlikely, but certainly possible.

I guess I didn't think how unlikely it is, from a probability standpoint.

What are the odds of 3 town guns activating D2, 4.6875%?

Is this your roundabout way of telling us you are fake claiming?

If so, thank you for the good reaction test.

[sweetandcool]

Yes, and apparently Vecna thought that also.

Bozo, stop for just one moment.

Suppose Jamiet and sweetandcool are scum.

Then, without any planning ahead, sweetandcool surprises Jamiet with a fake claim D1.

Jamiet's first post indicates the shock you would expect from him as either alignment: "Uh, what. Why would you claim at this point?"

QUESTION: Would you expect Jamiet to be angry?

Then, he calls bullshit and votes sweetandcool. This could be interpreted as him being mad at his teammate, but IMO it is not Jamiet angry. This guy has called new players little shits for jokingly voting him, so I would expect more here.

Bunny and worcej start "chainsawing" Jamiet, but he's still outwardly cool about it. Possibly he is secretly furious, who knows.

After Balki asks Jamiet to elaborate on his comment about chainsawing. THIS is what pissed him off.

Please continue reading. Jamiet does eventually get upset with me, but it is very noticeable that what makes him upset enough to sub is the wagon forming on him, NOT his teammate sweetandcool fake claiming.

CONCLUSION: Do you find this story compelling, Bozo? Because I do not. It does not make sense if sweetandcool is his teammate. It makes some sense of Balki is his teammate, but I don't even buy that.

Jamiet is TOWN.

If Jamie is mafia, his reaction in his posts was what he wants us to think his reaction was, not necessarily what it was.

Yes, but also no. I am confident that Hamiet would be viscerally furious. In fact, if I was his teammate he could have authentically unloaded on me. He hates fake claiming and inconsistency and that beginning of day claim drove him insane and he would have gone bonkers is we were teammates.

We are absolutely not teammates.

I think he is Town.

But it's obviously not definitive.

But it is definitive that we are not teammates. And basing your theories on that assumption is incorrect and leads to a loss for Town.

[sweetandcool]

I don't know exactly what to make of Sweetandcool suddenly townreading me here.

It's a Mafia ploy obviously.

[sweetandcool]

Why would the Mafia even use the roleblock after Eden died. It can't roleblock people getting guns, I'm sure.

I don't know, but they practically town cleared kingofthepirates by doing it, I think the chance that kingofthepirates would fake claim a RB as mafia here is very small.

Yet you believe I came up with an insane fake claim play, and Jamiet engaged in convincing theater with me, and Balki joined in, and Jaimet improvised fake rage?

If you are going to be skeptical, please do not be selectively skeptical.

[bozotheclown]

Why wouldn't I?

Any number of gunmen can be activated any day.

Three shots occurred, I suppose a fourth activation is unlikely, but certainly possible.

I guess I didn't think how unlikely it is, from a probability standpoint.

What are the odds of 3 town guns activating D2, 4.6875%?

Is this your roundabout way of telling us you are fake claiming?

If so, thank you for the good reaction test.

No, my claim is real, but I don't think town used 2 guns D2. The odds are still fairly low that at least 4 guns activated D2, but I know with 100% certainty that is what happened.

[bozotheclown]

Bozo, stop for just one moment.

Suppose Jamiet and sweetandcool are scum.

Then, without any planning ahead, sweetandcool surprises Jamiet with a fake claim D1.

Jamiet's first post indicates the shock you would expect from him as either alignment: "Uh, what. Why would you claim at this point?"

QUESTION: Would you expect Jamiet to be angry?

Then, he calls bullshit and votes sweetandcool. This could be interpreted as him being mad at his teammate, but IMO it is not Jamiet angry. This guy has called new players little shits for jokingly voting him, so I would expect more here.

Bunny and worcej start "chainsawing" Jamiet, but he's still outwardly cool about it. Possibly he is secretly furious, who knows.

After Balki asks Jamiet to elaborate on his comment about chainsawing. THIS is what pissed him off.

Please continue reading. Jamiet does eventually get upset with me, but it is very noticeable that what makes him upset enough to sub is the wagon forming on him, NOT his teammate sweetandcool fake claiming.

CONCLUSION: Do you find this story compelling, Bozo? Because I do not. It does not make sense if sweetandcool is his teammate. It makes some sense of Balki is his teammate, but I don't even buy that.

Jamiet is TOWN.

If Jamie is mafia, his reaction in his posts was what he wants us to think his reaction was, not necessarily what it was.

Yes, but also no. I am confident that Hamiet would be viscerally furious. In fact, if I was his teammate he could have authentically unloaded on me. He hates fake claiming and inconsistency and that beginning of day claim drove him insane and he would have gone bonkers is we were teammates.

We are absolutely not teammates.

I think he is Town.

But it's obviously not definitive.

But it is definitive that we are not teammates. And basing your theories on that assumption is incorrect and leads to a loss for Town.

Did you mean to say "not scum teammates"?

[sweetandcool]

If Jamie is mafia, his reaction in his posts was what he wants us to think his reaction was, not necessarily what it was.

Yes, but also no. I am confident that Hamiet would be viscerally furious. In fact, if I was his teammate he could have authentically unloaded on me. He hates fake claiming and inconsistency and that beginning of day claim drove him insane and he would have gone bonkers is we were teammates.

We are absolutely not teammates.

I think he is Town.

But it's obviously not definitive.

But it is definitive that we are not teammates. And basing your theories on that assumption is incorrect and leads to a loss for Town.

Did you mean to say "not scum teammates"?

*Sigh* yes.

Is quibbling necessary?

Maybe I scum slipped. At least now Jamiet is clear, yay!

[bozotheclown]

I don't know exactly what to make of Sweetandcool suddenly townreading me here.

It's a Mafia ploy obviously.

Why is it sudden, I thought you had been town reading Jamie for awhile?

[sweetandcool]

I don't know exactly what to make of Sweetandcool suddenly townreading me here.

It's a Mafia ploy obviously.

Why is it sudden, I thought you had been town reading Jamie for awhile?

Pretty noncommittally.

But yeah, that's true.

Uh-oh, guess Jamiet is lying.

[bozotheclown]

Why would the Mafia even use the roleblock after Eden died. It can't roleblock people getting guns, I'm sure.

I don't know, but they practically town cleared kingofthepirates by doing it, I think the chance that kingofthepirates would fake claim a RB as mafia here is very small.

Yet you believe I came up with an insane fake claim play, and Jamiet engaged in convincing theater with me, and Balki joined in, and Jaimet improvised fake rage?

If you are going to be skeptical, please do not be selectively skeptical.

You have demonstrated that your claims are not to be believed this game, kingofthepirates has not. Was you RB claim real?

[bozotheclown]

It's a Mafia ploy obviously.

Why is it sudden, I thought you had been town reading Jamie for awhile?

Pretty noncommittally.

But yeah, that's true.

Uh-oh, guess Jamiet is lying.

Why do you think he would do that?

[bozotheclown]

Why would the Mafia even use the roleblock after Eden died. It can't roleblock people getting guns, I'm sure.

I don't know, but they practically town cleared kingofthepirates by doing it, I think the chance that kingofthepirates would fake claim a RB as mafia here is very small.

Yet you believe I came up with an insane fake claim play, and Jamiet engaged in convincing theater with me, and Balki joined in, and Jaimet improvised fake rage?

If you are going to be skeptical, please do not be selectively skeptical.

I also take exception to "convincing".

[BunnyGo]

I’m the sheriff. I got a guilty scan on KotP. ##vote king ##end. See you nerds tomorrow.