M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[brainbomb]

hover over the karma and on a pc it shows who all provided it.

but uh, why do we give a shit?

[FlaviusAetius]

So sweet is doing the equivalent of townslipping for not being Desperado? "not-Desperado slipping"? Sounds fake.
Anyways, I'm going to stay on sweet for now. I'm not completely up to date on the thread, but sweet is more scummy than food from what I've read.

##vote Dip

bad damo, bad

##VOTE DiplomacyandWarfare

No, I don't. I should have included him in that list of "how is he not null"?

Why didn't you question this:

Hi! I definitely did not lose track of the start date for this game! Bunny is being way more active than usual according to the bot and so I will

##VOTE BUNNYGO

Do you think that statement was factually accurate?

How about DiplomacyandWarfare as a counter wagon?

foodcoats (6) Flav, lfischl, Vecna, Chaqa, Bunny, kotp
worcej (4) sweet, Jamie, Dip, President Eden
Jamiet99uk (2) worcej, Balki
Diplomacyand Warfare (2) damo, bozo
FlaviusAetius (1) Demon
Hamilton Brian (1) Ham
sweetandcool (1) food
damo666 (1) rdr
President Eden (1) brainbomb

##VOTE WORCEJ

Probably the best play today is killing Food and if he flips scum someone just shoot Dip.

I think studying the dip wagon creation I find bozo to be the most likely to have been town for doing it. Bozo actually found reasons to want that wagon.

At the time the wagon on food was heavily town loaded so scum would like to reside other places.

sweet now busses balki
jamie is building up a worcej wagon
and last scum kotp is on the food wagon just living his best life
and balki busses Jamie just in case everyone shifts over to Jamie

Do you know the problem with the bozo stuff that he did with Dip? He didnt even explain why he was voting Dip BEFOREhand and several people asked him why nothing so far that I can see

[FlaviusAetius]

hover over the karma and on a pc it shows who all provided it.

but uh, why do we give a shit?

Just interesting ig I didnt even know that .-. I have +1'ed so much stuff

[Jamiet99uk]

hi scum Jamie. are you ready to be burned alive tomorrow for your sins?

To whom are you speaking?

There is no "Scum Jamie" at this address.

Sorry, hey, Edgelord Jim Jambles McBurger. Its time to die. have you said your prayers yet?

If I die, kill Sweetandcool.

[bozotheclown]

I think Balki was likely distancing his teammates.

Balki could you remind me why I am your top scumread?

Yeah, you don't sound sincere. It's just...too much. I am getting vibes of someone looking to criticize and then blowing up in a way that looks manufactured and inauthentic.

so far I like brain, Bunny, Chaqa, Jamie, sweetandcool for town.
…maybe foodcoats too?
I feel like I should like Flavius for town too, but he seems so over the top. It doesn’t feel real. But that would probably be NAI (he can do a bit as either alignment). not sure what to do with him yet

I think I like Chaqa too. We have two in common (brain, Chaqa)

I am surprised you like Jamiet, though I am feeling more comfortable with his effort-level and prob-y-ness after his first couple of hours in the game. Still think he has a higher chance than a random pick of flipping scum here.

With Flava Flav, I was thrown by the all caps usage in the first game I played with him. I think I was just reading that as over the top in a way he didn’t mean it. Now having that prior game as context, this game feels much more organic and sincere. Unfiltered. Town!Flav.

Balki hedging his read on Jamie when Jamie was still the top wagon, then keeping his vote on Jamie until after everyone else had moved their vote, is a strong indication that Balki was distance voting Jamie while trying to prevent him from being the DK.

I get the feeling Balki was telling us exactly what sweetandcool was doing as a way to disance/bus him:

Okay, one thought I'd like to leave you with if this is the last thing I post.

Been thinking a lot about the psychology of sweetandcool.

Sweet is a good player. He legit played one of the best Town games I have seen two games ago when he was Cop, his reads were right on the money, and he executed a role swap that essentially pushed Town into Auto-win.

I can see Sweet making a bold gambit as any alignment. He will take risks, spur discussion, grab the spotlight. All of that is NAI.

His gambit this game though looks different to me. He hard claimed Detective. Then hard claimed Desperado. Then hard claimed Detective. He did it all on a day when the real PRs would have no incentive to claim, and he did it assertively, without trying to avoid a daykill or vig shot.

To me -- this is "look at me" stuff that is very different than a normal Town!Sweet gambit, which is to role swap or fake a claim at a time when it makes sense, and has to be taken seriously. This is "look at me, look at me" for its own sake. And Sweet absolutely knew he was going to get eye rolls and frustration for it.

So what is Sweet's motivation? Is it some kind of weird reaction test? Does that make sense? Say something that makes no strategic sense to get people talking about you? If that's the Town!Sweet play, it is exceptionally unusual.

And beyond being unusual, it's kind of embarrassing. I am trying to picture Town!Sweet, going to Discord after this game, and talking to everyone about his strategy. I am having a really hard time picturing that happeneing.

But what if he is Scum!Sweet? Then he rolls up to Discord after the whole thing ends and says "Yeah, I just figured that if I went a littel crazy and started hard claiming all the rolls, nobody would expect I would call so much attention to myself unnecessarily as Scum. And it worked!"

Then he is respected and lauded.

I can see Sweet taking that kind of risk as Scum!Sweet. It's not a terrible play. It's really not that difficult to execute. It gives him a bit of a shield and an excuse for not engaging very hard in the scumhunting part of the game. And I think it has had a very predictable outcome so far -- namely that many people have considered Sweet untouchable for doing exactly this.

I don't see Town!Sweet taking this risk. If this gambit fails for Town!Sweet, it is a complete embarrassment.

I think that Scum!Sweet is much more likely.

If this is it for me, my legacy guess is Sweetandcool, Jamiet, rdrivera, and... Fish!

Good luck.

My gun was activated D2 but I did not use it.

Of the other players, Balki mostly ignores RHK, so I think there is a good chance RHK is mafia.

Supporting reasons:

##vote bunny

Yes!

##VOTE Bunny

##Vote Bunny

I don't feel any hunting from bunny. Just a lot of one liners and hedging. The vote pattern on D1 throws me off too. Way too much waffling to the point of trying to drum up artificial pressure. Just seems disinterested?

sweetandcool and RHK jump at the chance to make BunnyGo the top wagon over Balki leading up to D2 EOD. Also, I think RHK’s vote justification seems questionable.

I understand, but brief reason why Bunny?

Like give us two reasons and two or three sentences?

Pretty please?

I am not paying attention to this game.

Bunny is top wagon atm. No one voted BB with me (and yes I don’t count you) when really given the chance.

I will happily vote for Chaqa, Flavius, or you for for the bitching of brain yet disappearance.

So your reasoning is Bunny is top wagon and that's it?

Yikes, I know how infuriating it is when you are Town and people vote you because you are top wagon.

##VOTE King instead.

Then, sweetandcool takes the opportunity to make BunnyGo and kingofthepirates the top wagons.

Sorry how absent I've been...work sucks. And holidays are fun...and between that mafia takes a back seat. I see that gets me wagoned. That's too easy for opportunistic scum, but I doubt they planned to push me.

I'll not vote an un-CC'd PR this close to KiLo (because of guns we must be close).
I'll back my early reads of chaqa, flav, damo as town.

##vote bozo. He's felt silly day 1 (which is NAI), but his mech analysis was surprisingly lacking.

That makes it 3 out of 3 for players I voted for today scum reading me as a result.

Bozo, I am not scumreading you as a result of you voting me today. You know that because you have seen me present multiple reasons for scumreading you, and you have replied to them.

That being the case it is very, very insincere of you to claim I am scumreading you, because you voted for me.

This earns you a ##Vote Bozotheclown

Jamie takes the opportunity to make me a wagon near EOD after voting for sweetandcool for 45 hours of D2.

##Vote Balki

I was already townreading Eden and I believe his claim.

Huh.

Well, guilty is a guilty, leggo bois!

##Vote Balki

##End

##VOTE Balki
##END

Jamie, RHK, and sweetandcool all respond to PE’s scan consistent with how the mafia would respond.

We got one...yay?

Fuck that sucked.

Any town want to fess up? Seriously if you shot we NEED to know now. We have to know how many shots were scum.

I guess there is a non-zero chance Worc shot Chaqa, but I doubt it.

##CALL GM

Is the 4th flavor ONLY flavor, or were there really 4 shots?

We got one...yay?

Fuck that sucked.

Any town want to fess up? Seriously if you shot we NEED to know now. We have to know how many shots were scum.

Eden was obviously a scum kill. I think Chaqa highly likely a scum kill leaving worcej shot by misguided lawman.

I highly agree with this.

Small chance Town brainbomb shot Chaqa.

During N2, RHK and sweetandcool were actively trying to find out who shot Chaqa, instead of assuming the mafia shot him. The mafia would want to know so they could NK someone who has a chance of getting a gun D3-D5.

I thought the agreement was lawmen should stay hidden. This is scummy posting here

Even knowing that a lawman shot worcej (I agree on other two) then we still have no idea how many lawmen are left.

The gunned, unfired lawmen need to hide.

Scum likely know what shots were taken, and a spent lawmen is nothing more than the softest of clears, as we can't confirm them.

And they hide in a crowd.

But I'll help. I was the one who shot worcej.

Hard claim!

I suspect sweetandcool did shoot worcej or knows what mafia member did.

come on sweet. rise above the moment and make a proclamation. the town -you- should be able to squash this with ease. if there's no merit to it, you should be able to have some eureka here and turn this around vs me.

excited for yet another battle. lets do this

Yeah I barely have time to solve. I am going to be productive and build a case on Flav.

King is caught, after my case Flav will be as well, then it's just a matter of puzzling the last one out.

Apparently questioning Sweet, even in jest, makes Bunny and Worcej immediately chainsaw me.

That's interesting.

what do you mean by chainsaw? worcej hasn't elaborated at all on the vote, for all we know it could be just as your questioning is; a jest. Bunny has said some rather cryptic things that I don't quite understand, probably playing into the Ronin gimmick.

Pure towny K-POP vibes. Not trying to jump on anyone or anything. You can be Town.

sweetandcool’s confidence that kingofthepirates is mafia is suspicious considering Balki seemed to be pocketing him early.

Scum:
Flav
Bunny
Balki
rdr

Town:
brain
Vecna
sweet
Eden

I disagree with many people's thoughts on Bunny's late votes, there was never a risk of a tie with how bunbun moved. There was a lot of off and on of food there. When I first saw the vote, I thought it was an rdr save, but it may havbe been more of a clog the vote situation, and shading rdr was a bonus.

rdr is low activity at the best of times, and that is me ofa ll people saying that. His posts just make me feel like he's even less assed than usual to contribute. Was a late D1 wagon, but Bunny killed it last minute, making a possible link I want to look at more, and maybe get some eyes on.

Balki I felt came in hard, white knighting for Flav and I don't like it. Everything he says looks just a little off. Like the whole 'day of reckoning' struff. If we wait until D4 or D5 the game will already be over. Lowkey sinister imo.

Flav. What more can I say. I will fully admit that I'm tunneling him (again) and it's the manner that puts me off more than anything, but every post feels like secondhand ammunition. Just taking someone else's ball and running with it. Plus, he was sooo pround of being the one to start that food wagon riiiight up until the flip.

--

As for sweet, he's town methinks. It's a glorious shitshow of claims. I think it's just too deep he may as well own it. Not scum. Not helpful, maybe, but it keeps us talking, talking is good.

Vecna and Chaqa both feel like the down low solvers I'm used to. Brain is town, 1000% lock. I would not vote for him, even to save myself he is so town.

kotp and fish are super low impact. Not much to say imo.

Eden is giving me town HR vibes this game. Me likey.

bozo, damo, and worc are hard nulls. Half the time I am nodding along with them, the other half I want to yell at the monitor. I fully admit I am punting here.

Jamie. I was town on Jamie. Then I felt like Flav was using his posts like a tag team against people. Then I felt he was hunting and doing a good job, and that being used/defended/buddied isn't scummy by itself. Then brain starting making some points. I'm split.

Hope to see y'all on the other side, cowpokes.

I wouldn't shoiot brain.

On a related note, anyone susing on brain, is a fucking idiot.

Trying to ignore my flav tunnel is leading me back to bunny. I feel like the late counterpushes to food were all towny and that Bunny kept hopping the wagon to fake momentum any time they hopped back on. While this might point to rdr as well, I am less sold on it. Bunny had flimsy reasoning, such as tie-breaking, which is worthless is this setup. Just reading over the iso...it's a big nothing cake, like worse than Flav even. I can't even find a goddamn post to quote that has any reasoning.

Also hope everything is good, as I just realizes Bunny hasn't even posted yet today.

Like... Bunny / rdr / damo / flav? Bunny rdr / Balki flav? I dunno

RHK had Balki in his scum reads N1, but did not comment on PE’s case against Balki D2, and dropped Balki down to a secondary scum read.

[Jamiet99uk]

(Or Bozo. Killing Bozo should definitely be an option).

[dargorygel]

PLEASE HOLD
NIGHT HAS ENDED

[FlaviusAetius]

So sweet is doing the equivalent of townslipping for not being Desperado? "not-Desperado slipping"? Sounds fake.
Anyways, I'm going to stay on sweet for now. I'm not completely up to date on the thread, but sweet is more scummy than food from what I've read.

##vote Dip

bad damo, bad

##VOTE DiplomacyandWarfare

No, I don't. I should have included him in that list of "how is he not null"?

Why didn't you question this:

Hi! I definitely did not lose track of the start date for this game! Bunny is being way more active than usual according to the bot and so I will

##VOTE BUNNYGO

Do you think that statement was factually accurate?

How about DiplomacyandWarfare as a counter wagon?

foodcoats (6) Flav, lfischl, Vecna, Chaqa, Bunny, kotp
worcej (4) sweet, Jamie, Dip, President Eden
Jamiet99uk (2) worcej, Balki
Diplomacyand Warfare (2) damo, bozo
FlaviusAetius (1) Demon
Hamilton Brian (1) Ham
sweetandcool (1) food
damo666 (1) rdr
President Eden (1) brainbomb

##VOTE WORCEJ

Probably the best play today is killing Food and if he flips scum someone just shoot Dip.

I think studying the dip wagon creation I find bozo to be the most likely to have been town for doing it. Bozo actually found reasons to want that wagon.

At the time the wagon on food was heavily town loaded so scum would like to reside other places.

sweet now busses balki
jamie is building up a worcej wagon
and last scum kotp is on the food wagon just living his best life
and balki busses Jamie just in case everyone shifts over to Jamie

Yea I just dont even know WHAT you are referring too Bozo's arguments for Dip were weak

[dargorygel]

American (and Italian) Westerns are notorious for being inaccurate, prejudiced, and silly. One of my favorites, The Big Valley won some bad and good awards. One episode, it involved transporting nitro-glycerin and was the first episode I watched, earned the “Least Realistic Depiction” award from the Cowboy Hall of Fame. The overall show, however, consistently received “best costume” awards.

My favorite character was the ‘born out of wedlock’ son of Lorne Greene… Heath. He was added as an afterthought to counter the tough brother, the smart brother, and the dimwit but loveable brother.

=-=-=-=-

As dawn broke, the heart of a lady new to town broke, too. She had spent a lot of time recently reading the Kestasville Times, sometimes out loud to her husband while on the way to and from the old fishin’ hole.

They had caught a few fish.

But mostly, she had caught in interest in the terrible events in our town.

Perhaps she’d formed guesses. Perhaps she was merely wondering.

But now she had something REALLY dark to ponder.

Because somehow, right in the bed next to her… he, her beloved husband, had woken up dead.

Or died and not woken up.

Or something like that.

After much thought, she decided to scatter his ashes in Canyon De Chelly National Park.

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BRAINBOMB DIED. He was Heath Barkley (of The Big Valley), a Day 2 lawman.

It is now day… you may post.

[sweetandcool]

Darn, I was trying to save brainbomb by shading him massively.

I know for a fact he is wrong about me. Otherwise, I assume he was killed due to some accuracy.

Because if left alive he was probably going to tunnel me into a loss. So I'm surprised Mafia actually killed him.

Which must mean he was somewhat accurate.

(Sorry, getting circular there).

[Jamiet99uk]

Ack, RIP Brainbomb.

I'm wondering if scum killed him there to lock in his (inaccurate) read on me. Clearly he was as keen as mustard to send me to Boot Hill. But sadly that would not be in Town's interests.

However I think it's clear we need to ##VOTE SWEETANDCOOL

[sweetandcool]

##VOTE Pirate

Going to keep chugging along with my case on Flav.

If we don't vote out one of these guys today I am going to go crazy.

[bozotheclown]

The thing about this game being ultra-swingy could probably move certain players to play differently than they normally would.

-Balki has been very under the radar and Ive not really seen him try to solve anyone the way he did when I was scum. He's doing the thing I do where he judges and comments, rather than prods and experiments. Plus, he has not called anyone servile to rile them up.

-Chaqa did that very good post, that might have totally fooled me spectacularly. However, if he really had already gotten to the point of having such a good oversight, where was LEADER CHAQA that we have seen in the past when he was super involved. If Chaqa is scum, this will probably be the first time in history he does not N1 me because they probably dont wanna use their 1 NK right now.

-Rdrivera was actually more active and had way more attractive opinions than he normally does. He also seemed to be afraid of getting killed early for some reason, which never ever happens.

-Jamiet actually did not really get angry even though there was plenty of reason for it to happen. I might have to revisit my initial gutsensation of his progression 1-2-3 not making sense.

-Sweet has really used his gimmick as a shield to not really actually interact with the game and solve it. I did really like that big wallpost he did explaining his shit though, but im not sure if its enough.

this is the post that got vecna nightkilled.

he names the vast majority of the mafia team here in Jamie, Sweet, and Balki. the only scum he misses in the process is Kotp who stayed relatively UTR or in vecnas TRs.

Vecna explains exactly why Balki, Sweet, and Jamie are each mafia, ignoring their posturing and bussing. This then prompts Balki and team to need to kill Vecna, and the following day also go a step further, to double down on EACH other as it were. Knowing guns may be in play sweet is deemed the team sacrifice, where they falsely assume that multiple town might just shoot sweet. So their goal is to case sweet, and put multiple mafia on sweet most of the day.

As the day goes along, Balki and Jamie both lose their appetite for the process seeing only brainbomb and bunny join the sweet bait. At that point Jamie who probably had the gun is trying to choose between killing bunny or killing sweet. (my guess based on how Jamie indented his posts weirdly on those two).

Each scum also sets aside a preferred miskill they think they can get, and a towny they think they can manipulate. Jamie thinks chaqa is able to be steered, so jamie tries to steer chaqa onto bozo, and tries to also feed chaqas distrust of damo.

sweet tries to feed the collective distrust of brainbomb and of lfischl.

while Balki tries to make jamie and sweet look good by bussing them.

all the while, KOTP is just laying low, doing what he does best. occasionally show up to make a bland string of questions, leave abruptly and never discuss much else

This would explain both of the NKs.

[Jamiet99uk]

##VOTE Pirate

Going to keep chugging along with my case on Flav.

If we don't vote out one of these guys today I am going to go crazy.

That isn't a valid vote.

[sweetandcool]

Ack, RIP Brainbomb.

I'm wondering if scum killed him there to lock in his (inaccurate) read on me. Clearly he was as keen as mustard to send me to Boot Hill. But sadly that would not be in Town's interests.

However I think it's clear we need to ##VOTE SWEETANDCOOL

Also an option for why they killed brainbomb. The problem is that if he was wrong about you and wrong about me then I think it crazy that the scumteam would kill an ally who would help them drive the MKs they need.

[Jamiet99uk]

Ack, RIP Brainbomb.

I'm wondering if scum killed him there to lock in his (inaccurate) read on me. Clearly he was as keen as mustard to send me to Boot Hill. But sadly that would not be in Town's interests.

However I think it's clear we need to ##VOTE SWEETANDCOOL

Also an option for why they killed brainbomb. The problem is that if he was wrong about you and wrong about me then I think it crazy that the scumteam would kill an ally who would help them drive the MKs they need.

I don't think he was wrong about you.

[sweetandcool]

##VOTE Pirate

Going to keep chugging along with my case on Flav.

If we don't vote out one of these guys today I am going to go crazy.

That isn't a valid vote.

Huh, somehow I thought they put that in as an alias. Thank you.

##VOTE King

[sweetandcool]

Ack, RIP Brainbomb.

I'm wondering if scum killed him there to lock in his (inaccurate) read on me. Clearly he was as keen as mustard to send me to Boot Hill. But sadly that would not be in Town's interests.

However I think it's clear we need to ##VOTE SWEETANDCOOL

Also an option for why they killed brainbomb. The problem is that if he was wrong about you and wrong about me then I think it crazy that the scumteam would kill an ally who would help them drive the MKs they need.

I don't think he was wrong about you.

You know, that's a good point. I think he WAS wrong about you.

So Mafia team is screwing with us.

[damo666]

##vote king

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Pirate

Going to keep chugging along with my case on Flav.

If we don't vote out one of these guys today I am going to go crazy.

We need to know how many town guns we have now. Did you shoot worcej?