M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[bozotheclown]

No thats boring.
Yes I killed Chaqa

now give me everything you have and try to take me down

?

I just assume you are Town.

Bad brain for shooting Chaqa.

Good, I thought Mafia team seemed stacked. So two Town shots and Mafia shot Eden.

If 2 of the shots were from town, a mafia win may be unavoidable. Did you shoot worcej? I was not taking that claim seriously.

[sweetandcool]

No thats boring.
Yes I killed Chaqa

now give me everything you have and try to take me down

?

I just assume you are Town.

Bad brain for shooting Chaqa.

Good, I thought Mafia team seemed stacked. So two Town shots and Mafia shot Eden.

If 2 of the shots were from town, a mafia win may be unavoidable. Did you shoot worcej? I was not taking that claim seriously.

If I say "no" brainbomb is going to get even further tunneled

[BunnyGo]

<snip>

The confirmation bias in this post is off the scale.

Remember his roleplay process. He decides on a thing, then talks about it as if its real to see how it feels.

[BunnyGo]

No thats boring.
Yes I killed Chaqa

now give me everything you have and try to take me down

[Jamiet99uk]

Damo, can you explain why you did this?

Hmmm, I see everyone is voting me, but I am not caught up. Can someone give me the quick version? I only have a few minutes.

Eden claims a guilty scan on you

Did you not realise that posting that for Balki was sub-optimal play?

[Jamiet99uk]

Hmmm, I see everyone is voting me, but I am not caught up. Can someone give me the quick version? I only have a few minutes.

Eden is cop with a guilty scan on you

Same question to this other dipshit.

[Jamiet99uk]

<snip>

The confirmation bias in this post is off the scale.

Remember his roleplay process. He decides on a thing, then talks about it as if its real to see how it feels.

That's what I said. Confirmation bias.

[FlaviusAetius]

You guys still want to kill food after that assless chaps quip? I don't.

I am feeling ambivalent.

##vote rdrivera. I have him at Null. But I feel like I will have him at Null seven days from now as well. Let's do a solid for future Balki, and maybe he is scum.

This would be a dangerous bus at a time when 2 town were the top wagons with less than 2 hours in D1. I don't see why Balki would risk getting rdrivera DKed here.

I went back it was >damo< who first supported the rdr wagon, Balki joined him >after< damo voted; damo just >misvoted<, post #1290

[FlaviusAetius]

If Brainbomb cannot tell the difference between an absentee and a lurker, then he does not know very much about this game, despite having apparently played it before.

absentee = a worse lurker

[BunnyGo]

No thats boring.
Yes I killed Chaqa

now give me everything you have and try to take me down

?

I just assume you are Town.

Bad brain for shooting Chaqa.

Good, I thought Mafia team seemed stacked. So two Town shots and Mafia shot Eden.

If 2 of the shots were from town, a mafia win may be unavoidable. Did you shoot worcej? I was not taking that claim seriously.

Agreed...in fact, I think it's to the point that any town with a gun MUST shoot tomorrow.

And MUST shoot someone who isn't the daykill.

[Jamiet99uk]

?

I just assume you are Town.

Bad brain for shooting Chaqa.

Good, I thought Mafia team seemed stacked. So two Town shots and Mafia shot Eden.

If 2 of the shots were from town, a mafia win may be unavoidable. Did you shoot worcej? I was not taking that claim seriously.

Agreed...in fact, I think it's to the point that any town with a gun MUST shoot tomorrow.

And MUST shoot someone who isn't the daykill.

Let's see....

After tonight we'll be at 7 town vs 3 Mafia.
If Mafia have 3x gunshots left that could make it effectively 4 vs 3.
So yeah, town who get guns have to shoot, and shoot straight.

This is too close for comfort.

[rdrivera2005]

Brain posts made me less suspicious of Damo and Bozo.

Still think lfishcl is scum.

Flavius and Jamiet I can't sort.

Can someone explain me or point me the case on kotp?

[rdrivera2005]

?

I just assume you are Town.

Bad brain for shooting Chaqa.

Good, I thought Mafia team seemed stacked. So two Town shots and Mafia shot Eden.

If 2 of the shots were from town, a mafia win may be unavoidable. Did you shoot worcej? I was not taking that claim seriously.

Agreed...in fact, I think it's to the point that any town with a gun MUST shoot tomorrow.

And MUST shoot someone who isn't the daykill.

Agree, at this point it's probably better to take this risk other then just risking to lose anyway.

[Jamiet99uk]

Brain posts made me less suspicious of Damo and Bozo.

Still think lfishcl is scum.

Flavius and Jamiet I can't sort.

Can someone explain me or point me the case on kotp?

It's mostly "he's lurking, a lot".

[damo666]

Damo, can you explain why you did this?

Hmmm, I see everyone is voting me, but I am not caught up. Can someone give me the quick version? I only have a few minutes.

Eden claims a guilty scan on you

Did you not realise that posting that for Balki was sub-optimal play?

It was not.

If Balki was town it was irrelevant.

If Balki was scum he already knew he was in trouble and would have already organised his shot. Arguably he could have switched the shot from some other town to Eden but the net effect is actually +ve since without a switch we would have lost a town, potentially a lawman, to allow an exposed Eden to live who could never have got another scan off.

[Jamiet99uk]

Damo, can you explain why you did this?

Eden claims a guilty scan on you

Did you not realise that posting that for Balki was sub-optimal play?

It was not.

If Balki was town it was irrelevant.

If Balki was scum he already knew he was in trouble and would have already organised his shot. Arguably he could have switched the shot from some other town to Eden but the net effect is actually +ve since without a switch we would have lost a town, potentially a lawman, to allow an exposed Eden to live who could never have got another scan off.

Hmm. I suppose that is a valid way to look at it.

[sweetandcool]

I dont remember mafia game 45 I hadnt played mafia in years and I am pretty sure I EVEN took a break after that and returned then took >another break< guess what this is how Ive been the ENTIRE time so I dont know why you cant just look at the >content< of my messages instead of pointing "omg capitals!!!"

Y̴̙̕e̵̹͌a̷̳̓h̵͔͛ ̵͖̄m̴̝͌a̵̛͇n̶̟̈ ̶̤̍f̸̟̒o̶̰̕c̶͕̀u̵̓͜s̶̬͑ ̶̖̾o̴̠͝n̶̬͗ ̵̩̈t̸̻͝ḧ̵̖́ē̶͓ ̵̪́C̷͈̾Ơ̸̫N̸̻̊T̶̛̠E̵̮̓N̶̬͆Ť̵͇ ̴͎͝s̷͈͒ṯ̸̅o̸̩͐ṕ̷̱ ̵̞͘n̵̋͜í̴̻ṯ̷͒p̴̟̽i̶̩͝c̷̯̚k̸̢̂ī̶͓n̶̙̿g̸͈͒ ̵̖̓ạ̴͊b̴̥́o̵͇̾u̷͎̽t̶͇͂ ̸̬̀t̵͙͒h̶̐ͅë̵̙́ ̶̃͜F̶̠̎Ö̶̙́R̵̩͑M̶̳̌A̶͙͘T̷͕̀ ̴̢̿ǒ̸̙n̸̖̈́l̵̼̀y̸̧̍ ̸͚̔S̷̬̏C̶̮̈́U̸͌ͅM̵͉͛ ̴̇͜ẘ̴̥o̸̢̿u̷̕ͅl̴̲͊d̷̘̀ ̸͉̏d̶̙̈́o̴̡͐ ̴̖̔t̵̫͊h̶̘͝à̵̺t̴̻̓

LOL OK POINT TAKEN
but you gotta admit it makes your text more popping if you want people to listen thats how

Given how your capitalizing is almost universally complained about, I can assure you that you are achieving the exact opposite response.

I don't really care about the capitalization, though it is a bit annoying. I think you decided to start using <> as a huge scum giggle, knowing how incomprehensible you could make your posts while having a believable reason to do so.

[FlaviusAetius]

(Sweet and Bozo for reasons I have hopefully made very clear by this point. KOTP because he is the very worst of the lurkers, I'm afraid, and this level of non-participation concerns me).

Why does it concern you? KOTP is just a lurker rdr is a >better< lurker to go after

But it also concerns you, as you went on to say in your next post...

I went back I >never< said this

[sweetandcool]

(NOTE: Flav's play really went off the rails after D1, so I regret starting here. I'm in too deep now, so going to commit to this post, but please be aware this is a summary of Flav's play with some light commentary. I will TLDR the juicy bits of there are any).


Flavius D1:

Page 9:

Starts by providing commentary on flavour posts and freaking out re:sweet fake claim.

Calls Jamiet suspicious for claiming he was jesting when questioning sweetandcool.

Suggests Jamiet is correct that Bunny and worcej jumping on Jamiet was suspicious. The implication being that Jamiet was onto something by scumreading sweetandcool.

Suggests it is weird that Jamiet is upset.

Ends page 9 by advocating to Food that killing lurkers is good, just not D1.

Posts: 14
Unsubstantial posts (e.g. replying to flavour): 4
sweetandcool fake claim related: 8
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Page 10:

Mostly talks about the fake claim. Asserts that not resolving sweetandcool is the best move since the fake claim will be found out eventually.

NOTABLY: Responds to Pirate's post commenting on Jamiet, sweet, and Balki by saying he agrees except he doesn't understand why Pirate even mentioned Balki who has been such a nobody. This is Flav's first interactive post where he isn't attacking someone over their play.

Repeats his assertions about fake claim and lurkers.

Responds to brainbomb's reads post, defending rdr and pointing out Bona is GM.

Responds to sweet's response to brainbomb by pointing out to sweet Bona is GM. Becomes convinced brainbomb is engaging in scum theater. Apparently sweet is okay for the same mistake????

Post Total: 7 + 14=21
fake claim related: 3 + 8=11
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Page 23-30:

Criticizes Ham for low posting and not analyzing (presumably the fake claim and maybe Jamie's behavior).

More obsession over fake claim.

Responds to Foods characterization of Ham's general play across all games as seeming like scummy play. Ham is perma scum I guess.

Starts to lock onto Food, railing against his early joke vote of damo. We're going to find out joke voting to defuse tensions is scum indictive.

Reiterates stance on lurkers.

Corrects Dip's stance on Bunny being a lurker.

Demonstrates a lack of knowledge about setup. Doesn't realize No-kill voting=modkill.

Post Total= 14 + 21=35
Fake Claim Related: 3 + 11=14
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Page 31-33:

Criticizes Food for voting sweet when Food had just said the fake claim was NAI. But Food assessed the claim was anti-town, so not anything too strange about it.

More fake claim stuff. Enforcing his opinion to preserve sweet for later.

Fake outrage in reply to Eden's joke.

Comments on brainbomb's opinion on rdr with light shade for rdr and brainbomb.

Total Posts: 8+35=43
Fake Claim: 5+14=19
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Page 34-37

Outraged by RHK's suggestion that Flav's content is whack. Claims to have done tons of analysis.

NOTE: Up to this point Flav has focused on repeating his opinions about lurker vote policy and sweet claim policy. Otherwise he has mainly just criticized player's opinions and has essentially only given one unsolicited opinion in reply to Pirate that had anything to do with a player.

Repeats of previous talking points, and unsubstantial content.

Side note: Balki declares Flav super solving. Teammates or he just sees a future MK?

Total posts: 16+43=59
Fake claim: 6+19=25
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Pages 38-44:

Shades brainbomb's lack of vote.

28 hours into the game, expects Balki to show up and have the game mostly solved. What??????

Page 40 brainbomb calls out what I am highlighting now, that Flavius has only posted on buzz topics. Flavius erroneously claims he has been posting analysis. But there is almost no evidence of it. A few opinions on actual players, always more in terms of assessing someone else's opinion.

Criticizes brainbomb's meta analysis of Vecna.

Foists his opinion on brainbomb that votes are sacred and anyone flitting their vote about must be scum because they don't play the way he does.

Lays out his famous case on Food. I really appreciate the effort he went into making it readable, but the case basically rests on Food voting sweetandcool and Food joke voting damo near the beginning of the game. This is the first piece of actual analysis that has posted, and it's actually pretty superficial and not compelling.

Okay, I skipped a decent amount of "content" because it's pretty repetitive and exhausting. Rest assured I read it but didn't feel like it merited comment. Apologies if Flav or others take issue with that.

Total Posts: 40+59=99
Fake claim: 14+25=39
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Page 51-63

Criticizes damo's naked reads list.

Continues to hammer on: Jamiet, Food, brainbomb.

Starts to scum read damo, via discussion with Ham.

Brags about his case on Food and tries to get brainbomb on board by comparing brainbomb's lack of resonance with brainbomb's frustration at the lack of general interaction in response to his Vecna meta analysis.

RHK correctly points out Flav's play has mainly consisted of "heckling". Flav does correctly respond that he made a case on Food. This is true. But not very impressive.

Lol claims he is building cases while heckling. Only evidence we've seen of that is essentially his case on Food.

Total Posts: 24+99=123
Fake claim: 11+39=50
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Page 64-75:

Calls out worcej's lack of participation.

RHK points out how long it took for Flav to vote Food. In hindsight this is a bit strange since it seemed clear from pretty much the beginning of the day that Food was his top scumread.

Argh, now I'm at the point that brainbomb compares Flav's play to last game where he was purposely trying to get recruited, which isn't necessarily a great line of argument. The resulting discussion is painful.

Pushes against the Dip wagon. This is consistent with his views on lurkers.

Claims he no longer scumreads brainbomb for the Bona fiasco, though there is no real evidence of this.

In response to RHK's accusation he is preserving sweetandcool for a later MK, he responds by claiming he is sweet's greatest defender?????????

Total Posts: 32+123=155
Fake Claim: 4+50=54
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TLDR: Flav's play D1 can be fairly categorized as heckling and obsessing over the fake claim and whether we should go after lurkers or not.

Other than his flimsy (but well written) case against Food, there was little evidence of actual analysis or deep thought.

35% of his posts were dedicated to discussing the fake claims.

Notably, he randomly brought up Balki as a nobody, and Balki categorized Flav as a Towny solver.

He was very focused on criticizing brainbomb, Jamiet, and Food, and of course hyper focused on my fake claim.


CONCLUSION: Does this make him scum? Well, I will refrain until my work is done. If forced to, I will conclude by comparing his play to last game. But his play seems deliberately unhelpful and distracting.

[FlaviusAetius]

Y̴̙̕e̵̹͌a̷̳̓h̵͔͛ ̵͖̄m̴̝͌a̵̛͇n̶̟̈ ̶̤̍f̸̟̒o̶̰̕c̶͕̀u̵̓͜s̶̬͑ ̶̖̾o̴̠͝n̶̬͗ ̵̩̈t̸̻͝ḧ̵̖́ē̶͓ ̵̪́C̷͈̾Ơ̸̫N̸̻̊T̶̛̠E̵̮̓N̶̬͆Ť̵͇ ̴͎͝s̷͈͒ṯ̸̅o̸̩͐ṕ̷̱ ̵̞͘n̵̋͜í̴̻ṯ̷͒p̴̟̽i̶̩͝c̷̯̚k̸̢̂ī̶͓n̶̙̿g̸͈͒ ̵̖̓ạ̴͊b̴̥́o̵͇̾u̷͎̽t̶͇͂ ̸̬̀t̵͙͒h̶̐ͅë̵̙́ ̶̃͜F̶̠̎Ö̶̙́R̵̩͑M̶̳̌A̶͙͘T̷͕̀ ̴̢̿ǒ̸̙n̸̖̈́l̵̼̀y̸̧̍ ̸͚̔S̷̬̏C̶̮̈́U̸͌ͅM̵͉͛ ̴̇͜ẘ̴̥o̸̢̿u̷̕ͅl̴̲͊d̷̘̀ ̸͉̏d̶̙̈́o̴̡͐ ̴̖̔t̵̫͊h̶̘͝à̵̺t̴̻̓

LOL OK POINT TAKEN
but you gotta admit it makes your text more popping if you want people to listen thats how

Given how your capitalizing is almost universally complained about, I can assure you that you are achieving the exact opposite response.

I don't really care about the capitalization, though it is a bit annoying. I think you decided to start using <> as a huge scum giggle, knowing how incomprehensible you could make your posts while having a believable reason to do so.

... I dont think my capitalization is universially complained about and I started using >< because damo said he didnt like the capitals(and others) so I wanted to find something ELSE to emphasize my words. Using >< is actually HARDER than capitals ESPECIALLY when I am typing with the computer close up to me