M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[kingofthepirates]

I noticed the following 2 people flipping votes in relatively quick succession (on the bot). Felt like it stood out a little bit.
Damo, jumping around all over the place, and quite frequently. I don’t quite see a reason for most of the votes? Pushing lurkers??

Eden, many votes with no reason at all (a number of them on me, but that’s beside the point). Feels weird. Now appears to be pushing me more (yes, I’ve been lurky, but the consistency over both days voting me makes me uncomfortable). Perhaps D1 was probing to see if a wagon could be started? I’m probably tin-foiling here, but it’s not something I like…

From my recollection of D1, a couple things stood out. Vecna and Balki both called me town for a relatively offhand comment I made extremely early. Vecna’s now dead, so that’s moot. With regards to Balki, it feels like it could be buddying, since personally I don’t see what the hell they are looking at.

My brain is fried. Maybe I’ll sheep someone later. ##vote eden for now, D1 voting was just too wack for me. Balki wagon maybe acceptable, I see people have posted arguments to vote for him.

[Chaqa]

I am throwing Damo's hat into the ring.

##Vote damo

KOTP's post just now makes me think:
1. KOTP is mafia
2. Damo is his teammate
3. KOTP was chosen to bus today as he might be the D2 shot

[Chaqa]

I mean the D2 shooter, if that wasn't clear.

[President Eden]

I noticed the following 2 people flipping votes in relatively quick succession (on the bot). Felt like it stood out a little bit.
Damo, jumping around all over the place, and quite frequently. I don’t quite see a reason for most of the votes? Pushing lurkers??

Eden, many votes with no reason at all (a number of them on me, but that’s beside the point). Feels weird. Now appears to be pushing me more (yes, I’ve been lurky, but the consistency over both days voting me makes me uncomfortable). Perhaps D1 was probing to see if a wagon could be started? I’m probably tin-foiling here, but it’s not something I like…

From my recollection of D1, a couple things stood out. Vecna and Balki both called me town for a relatively offhand comment I made extremely early. Vecna’s now dead, so that’s moot. With regards to Balki, it feels like it could be buddying, since personally I don’t see what the hell they are looking at.

My brain is fried. Maybe I’ll sheep someone later. ##vote eden for now, D1 voting was just too wack for me. Balki wagon maybe acceptable, I see people have posted arguments to vote for him.

So you’ve been following the game through the bot and that’s how you noticed I’ve been voting for you both days.

Curious.

[bozotheclown]

I noticed the following 2 people flipping votes in relatively quick succession (on the bot). Felt like it stood out a little bit.
Damo, jumping around all over the place, and quite frequently. I don’t quite see a reason for most of the votes? Pushing lurkers??

Eden, many votes with no reason at all (a number of them on me, but that’s beside the point). Feels weird. Now appears to be pushing me more (yes, I’ve been lurky, but the consistency over both days voting me makes me uncomfortable). Perhaps D1 was probing to see if a wagon could be started? I’m probably tin-foiling here, but it’s not something I like…

From my recollection of D1, a couple things stood out. Vecna and Balki both called me town for a relatively offhand comment I made extremely early. Vecna’s now dead, so that’s moot. With regards to Balki, it feels like it could be buddying, since personally I don’t see what the hell they are looking at.

My brain is fried. Maybe I’ll sheep someone later. ##vote eden for now, D1 voting was just too wack for me. Balki wagon maybe acceptable, I see people have posted arguments to vote for him.

So you’ve been following the game through the bot and that’s how you noticed I’ve been voting for you both days.

Curious.

Where did he say you were voting for him both days?

[bozotheclown]

I started rereading Bozo as part of my case and I actually kinda like what I'm reading. I think maybe I was just tunneled on his weird read on me. I think I want to back off pushing him today.

Did you read this question:

Although you made those posts between the two posts I cited, they were supposedly things you recorded primarily before the first post I cited, and therefore do not explain the changes in you reads during the pertinent time frame.

##VOTE Chaqa

My post on brain's reads list was made on page 37, but it was a post on page 13 I was replying to as that is where I was in my reading when I replied to it.

I had at least one note on RHK for P21.

If you had not read past that post when you responded to it, that would mean you read 27 pages while taking notes and responding to approximately 20 posts in 30 minutes. Is that accurate?

[President Eden]

Eden, many votes with no reason at all (a number of them on me, but that’s beside the point). Feels weird. Now appears to be pushing me more (yes, I’ve been lurky, but the consistency over both days voting me makes me uncomfortable). Perhaps D1 was probing to see if a wagon could be started? I’m probably tin-foiling here, but it’s not something I like…

So you’ve been following the game through the bot and that’s how you noticed I’ve been voting for you both days.

Curious.

Where did he say you were voting for him both days?

[sweetandcool]

Pirate has provided a running commentary of the game with his few posts.

He has not attempted to solve at all, just vaguely sheeping.

We've seen new player Pirate sheep in a townie way, this is not it.

He is willfully lurking as scum.

[bozotheclown]

I presented reasons for Bozo being scum. Did you read them?

I honestly don’t remember. Can you point me to them?

By all means. Let me summarise and expand on some things I've already noted about Bozotheclown:

1. He voted No-Kill on D1 despite this not being permitted, and then he voted for himself. It was pointed out to him that his vote was on himself, but he took a long time to move it and seemed reluctant to make a proper vote. These shenanigans seem odd when you consider how generally inactive Bozo was during D1.

2. His case on Vecna (blaming Vecna for the Foodcoats wagon) seemed very sketchy to me at the time, and looks worse now Vecna has flipped town.

3. He had a *long* and quite tiresome exchange with Vecna N1 in which he presented a wide range of reasons he thought Vecna was scum (to which Vecna responded very coherently, but Bozo ignored his responses), and yet today he claims he "wasn't trying to push" Vecna.

4. Apart from that exchange with Vecna, a lot of his play represents the play of a back-seat driver giving mild scumreads, with everything he says designed able to be caveated later with excuses like "I wasn't really pushing him...." or "it was only a possible suspicion". Lots of hedging, basically. His strategy appears to be to shade people and contribute to suspicions on them, but to avoid being held accountable if those people die and flip town.

The following additional reasoning is conditional on Sweetandcool also being scum, which I think he is:

As noted, Bozo self-voted on D1 by manipulating the Bot. Sweetandcool then also voted Bozo by the same means, for quite a long period of D1, despite pretending he didn't think his vote was on Bozo. I pointed out to him, multiple times, that his vote was on Bozo and he wilfully refused to engage on the point. If they are scum together, I think this was possibly intended by Sweet as a way of claiming, if Bozo flipped first, "Hey, I voted for Bozo on D1", to gain town-cred.

I did not vote for myself despite what the bot indicates.

I meant that I did not intend to question Vecna N1, he was the one who initiated the conversation by pointing out the problems with my case against him. I did take the opportunity to ask him questions as well, and I was not yet convinced he was town. I am now.

If DiplomacyandWarfare had been the DK I would have felt primarily responsible. I do not feel responsible for Hamilton's decision to shoot him.

I can guarantee that sweetandcool did not vote for Bonatogether to gain town credit when I flip scum.

[sweetandcool]

I honestly don’t remember. Can you point me to them?

By all means. Let me summarise and expand on some things I've already noted about Bozotheclown:

1. He voted No-Kill on D1 despite this not being permitted, and then he voted for himself. It was pointed out to him that his vote was on himself, but he took a long time to move it and seemed reluctant to make a proper vote. These shenanigans seem odd when you consider how generally inactive Bozo was during D1.

2. His case on Vecna (blaming Vecna for the Foodcoats wagon) seemed very sketchy to me at the time, and looks worse now Vecna has flipped town.

3. He had a *long* and quite tiresome exchange with Vecna N1 in which he presented a wide range of reasons he thought Vecna was scum (to which Vecna responded very coherently, but Bozo ignored his responses), and yet today he claims he "wasn't trying to push" Vecna.

4. Apart from that exchange with Vecna, a lot of his play represents the play of a back-seat driver giving mild scumreads, with everything he says designed able to be caveated later with excuses like "I wasn't really pushing him...." or "it was only a possible suspicion". Lots of hedging, basically. His strategy appears to be to shade people and contribute to suspicions on them, but to avoid being held accountable if those people die and flip town.

The following additional reasoning is conditional on Sweetandcool also being scum, which I think he is:

As noted, Bozo self-voted on D1 by manipulating the Bot. Sweetandcool then also voted Bozo by the same means, for quite a long period of D1, despite pretending he didn't think his vote was on Bozo. I pointed out to him, multiple times, that his vote was on Bozo and he wilfully refused to engage on the point. If they are scum together, I think this was possibly intended by Sweet as a way of claiming, if Bozo flipped first, "Hey, I voted for Bozo on D1", to gain town-cred.

I did not vote for myself despite what the bot indicates.

I meant that I did not intend to question Vecna N1, he was the one who initiated the conversation by pointing out the problems with my case against him. I did take the opportunity to ask him questions as well, and I was not yet convinced he was town. I am now.

If DiplomacyandWarfare had been the DK I would have felt primarily responsible. I do not feel responsible for Hamilton's decision to shoot him.

I can guarantee that sweetandcool did not vote for Bonatogether to gain town credit when I flip scum.

I would go fucking nuts if that happened. Like I don't think I could play with a Town so irrational to think me Townie because I voted Bona, which bot corrected to Bozo who happened to be scum.

This is in line with Jamiet's idea that voting the same person twice is scum indictive.

##VOTE King

Wagon's building momentum!!

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE BunnyGo

[President Eden]

Pirate has provided a running commentary of the game with his few posts.

He has not attempted to solve at all, just vaguely sheeping.

We've seen new player Pirate sheep in a townie way, this is not it.

He is willfully lurking as scum.

Wholehearted agreement. Furthermore, I noted the way he joined the foodcoats wagon D1 was suspect. I also observe that Balki is 75+% to be mafia, and his defense of KOTP was a reach suggestive of mafia trying to cover for a teammate.

[BunnyGo]

Sorry how absent I've been...work sucks. And holidays are fun...and between that mafia takes a back seat. I see that gets me wagoned. That's too easy for opportunistic scum, but I doubt they planned to push me.

I'll not vote an un-CC'd PR this close to KiLo (because of guns we must be close).
I'll back my early reads of chaqa, flav, damo as town.

##vote bozo. He's felt silly day 1 (which is NAI), but his mech analysis was surprisingly lacking.

[bozotheclown]

Pirate has provided a running commentary of the game with his few posts.

He has not attempted to solve at all, just vaguely sheeping.

We've seen new player Pirate sheep in a townie way, this is not it.

He is willfully lurking as scum.

Wholehearted agreement. Furthermore, I noted the way he joined the foodcoats wagon D1 was suspect. I also observe that Balki is 75+% to be mafia, and his defense of KOTP was a reach suggestive of mafia trying to cover for a teammate.

lfischl voted for foodcoats the same way, which I agree was suspicious. However, it does not seem likely they would both do it as mafia, and I am not sure which on looks more suspicious overall.

[bozotheclown]

Sorry how absent I've been...work sucks. And holidays are fun...and between that mafia takes a back seat. I see that gets me wagoned. That's too easy for opportunistic scum, but I doubt they planned to push me.

I'll not vote an un-CC'd PR this close to KiLo (because of guns we must be close).
I'll back my early reads of chaqa, flav, damo as town.

##vote bozo. He's felt silly day 1 (which is NAI), but his mech analysis was surprisingly lacking.

That makes it 3 out of 3 for players I voted for today scum reading me as a result.

[President Eden]

Pirate has provided a running commentary of the game with his few posts.

He has not attempted to solve at all, just vaguely sheeping.

We've seen new player Pirate sheep in a townie way, this is not it.

He is willfully lurking as scum.

Wholehearted agreement. Furthermore, I noted the way he joined the foodcoats wagon D1 was suspect. I also observe that Balki is 75+% to be mafia, and his defense of KOTP was a reach suggestive of mafia trying to cover for a teammate.

lfischl voted for foodcoats the same way, which I agree was suspicious. However, it does not seem likely they would both do it as mafia, and I am not sure which on looks more suspicious overall.

Definitely KOTP. Fishy boy is fine IMO. I can’t take him out the POE yet but he had a post I liked a lot.

[bozotheclown]

What's the case on food?

1.
Foodcoat said sweet is going to be claiming a role because he thinks its optimal play and he KNEW about this head of time. Instead of EXPLAINING to sweet why it would be wrong he chose to do it here. Fine whatever.

2.
He says we should NOT be voting for sweet...why? Because he legit claimed a town role how can we vote for someone like that when its so easy to verify?
YET
He then goes onto sweet; WHY? Never explained

3.
During the whole Jamie thing do you know what food did? He votes DAMO. To "diffuse the tensions" like? Jamie gets mad early game when people go on him for being mad, it always happens and the wagon ALWAYS dies. Do you know what that whole thing DOES tell us though? INFORMATION. foodcoats is trying to diffuse the tensions for no reason...

4.
And you know what else about that damo vote I just went back and look at this; he INITIALLY said that we should be going after lurkers D1, then flipped when I pressed on him again to say it was just one big joke.

He is flipflopping nad I dont like it not one bit I want explanations and now.
SWEET you should NOT go for foodcoats unless its SOON. Go for someone ELSE you think is mafia or better yet wait until D2.
IF you are Desperado that is, if you think the game is up and you are going to die N1 then start shooting man dont wait until EOD.

Like this post, I’m fine voting food here. I will be driving a good part of tomorrow so I’m gonna throw my vote on ##vote food for now just so I don’t get modkilled, I should be around before EOD just not sure exactly when

Was your vote for foodcoats based on this one post? Were you confident Flavius is town?

[bozotheclown]

I want to ask again, what was up with foodcoats? both vecna and bunny were scumming them, bunny's vote is still there, and there don't seem to be any reasons articulated (vecna just says "think theres a decent shot foodcoats is scum here", with some vague implications of buddying).
And then damo wants to shoot vecna???
are we still within shit posting time? are the above 2 issues both shit posting?

slowly catching up, I like the case against food from page 44. ##vote food

Was your vote for foodcoats based on this one post? Were you confident Flavius is town?

[sweetandcool]

Wholehearted agreement. Furthermore, I noted the way he joined the foodcoats wagon D1 was suspect. I also observe that Balki is 75+% to be mafia, and his defense of KOTP was a reach suggestive of mafia trying to cover for a teammate.

lfischl voted for foodcoats the same way, which I agree was suspicious. However, it does not seem likely they would both do it as mafia, and I am not sure which on looks more suspicious overall.

Definitely KOTP. Fishy boy is fine IMO. I can’t take him out the POE yet but he had a post I liked a lot.

Yeah, I don't know lfisch well enough to confidently Town them, but I'm at the same place with them. Probably Town.

[Chaqa]

I started rereading Bozo as part of my case and I actually kinda like what I'm reading. I think maybe I was just tunneled on his weird read on me. I think I want to back off pushing him today.

Did you read this question:

My post on brain's reads list was made on page 37, but it was a post on page 13 I was replying to as that is where I was in my reading when I replied to it.

I had at least one note on RHK for P21.

If you had not read past that post when you responded to it, that would mean you read 27 pages while taking notes and responding to approximately 20 posts in 30 minutes. Is that accurate?

I didn't see this one.

I am using a Google Doc to keep my notes which has history/timestamps. I mad my notes on pages 11 to 17 around 6:30 on July 2. It took me until around 8:20 to get up to page 37.