M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[sweetandcool]

Hi Chaqa,

I do not like the idea of letting Sweetandcool escape justice here, but you are a strong townread and Bozo is my second top scumread so I will vote him if you do.

I think there is no world Sweet does this play as mafia in this setup.

And that’s the damn point!

The only reason this gambit makes sense is because of takes like this one (and Eden’s!), and I think these takes were predictable. I think that Sweet predicted them.

Faking a town slip doesn’t work any more. This is the new faking a town slip.

I'm coming around to the idea that Balki is just Town.

This level of paranoia really comes when you are in the dumps solving wise.

Like yeah, Balki, it's possible you are right. But generally complex answers like this are just straight wrong. It would be pretty cool if you were right, but generally simpler answers are more accurate.

For what it is worth, I may have still done this as Mafia. But I think I would have been less likely to do it and much much less likely to double down D1 if I were Mafia because I wouldn't want to screw over my teammates.

I think my play has been net positive for Town. I think my play would be awful for Mafia because I guarantee at some point that I am the DK. All I accomplish is keeping myself safe for a couple phases and even that is shaky given how aggressive I have been. It's not team play.

No sane PR would CC me, so I think it's silly to claim it's a form of PR hunting.

Simplest explanation is that I am extremely confident I will not be CCed because I am Sheriff.

[sweetandcool]

Taking care of sick kids sucks.

##vote Bunnygo

I understand, but brief reason why Bunny?

Like give us two reasons and two or three sentences?

Pretty please?

[Balki Bartokomous]

My top scumread is also Sweet. Why aren't you voting for him?

Sweet did a bunch of blatant lying. Now he has tremendous support in the thread because people assume that a Wolf would not do so much blatant lying.

[worcej]

Did anyone verify that the RB target would be informed they were RB’ed or not?

I only ask because BB’s game had a nuance to it.

[sweetandcool]

Did anyone verify that the RB target would be informed they were RB’ed or not?

I only ask because BB’s game had a nuance to it.

I was RB so that verifies it.

[worcej]

Taking care of sick kids sucks.

##vote Bunnygo

I understand, but brief reason why Bunny?

Like give us two reasons and two or three sentences?

Pretty please?

I am not paying attention to this game.

Bunny is top wagon atm. No one voted BB with me (and yes I don’t count you) when really given the chance.

I will happily vote for Chaqa, Flavius, or you for for the bitching of brain yet disappearance.

[sweetandcool]

My top scumread is also Sweet. Why aren't you voting for him?

Sweet did a bunch of blatant lying. Now he has tremendous support in the thread because people assume that a Wolf would not do so much blatant lying.

You keep saying that and I think you are desperately disconnected from the wagonomics of the situation.

I have like three defenders (Eden, Chaqa, someone else), and four people out for my blood (Jamiet, Balki, Bunny, brainbomb apparently).

On top of that, Town is largely scattered with their voting. I am in an extremely tenuous position and probably if you stick with voting me you will likely succeed.

[sweetandcool]

Taking care of sick kids sucks.

##vote Bunnygo

I understand, but brief reason why Bunny?

Like give us two reasons and two or three sentences?

Pretty please?

I am not paying attention to this game.

Bunny is top wagon atm. No one voted BB with me (and yes I don’t count you) when really given the chance.

I will happily vote for Chaqa, Flavius, or you for for the bitching of brain yet disappearance.

So your reasoning is Bunny is top wagon and that's it?

Yikes, I know how infuriating it is when you are Town and people vote you because you are top wagon.

##VOTE King instead.

[worcej]

Part of me just wants to vote sweet off to just settle this discourse and let the thread move the fuck on about it

[Chaqa]

I started rereading Bozo as part of my case and I actually kinda like what I'm reading. I think maybe I was just tunneled on his weird read on me. I think I want to back off pushing him today.

[Chaqa]

Part of me just wants to vote sweet off to just settle this discourse and let the thread move the fuck on about it

My understanding is that we have a very limited number of miskills left and that this could be disastrous if Sweet is town.

[worcej]

Yeah, screw it - ##vote sweet

If you are a town PR, your play of open claiming it caused you to be worthless.

If you are a VT, your play caused people to have to sort you out and you created a distraction that scum can exploit down the road.

If you are scum, lawlz.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I started rereading Bozo as part of my case and I actually kinda like what I'm reading. I think maybe I was just tunneled on his weird read on me. I think I want to back off pushing him today.

Here are your choices:

POE: Sweet, Jamiet, rdrivera, Fish, Demon, Bozo, worcej, BunnyG

[sweetandcool]

I started rereading Bozo as part of my case and I actually kinda like what I'm reading. I think maybe I was just tunneled on his weird read on me. I think I want to back off pushing him today.

(Sigh of relief)

Yeah I haven't understood the push on Bozo at all. He is Town.

[worcej]

Part of me just wants to vote sweet off to just settle this discourse and let the thread move the fuck on about it

My understanding is that we have a very limited number of miskills left and that this could be disastrous if Sweet is town.

That’s his damn fault for playing selfish and open claiming as a PR or fake claiming as a VT.

Also, the scum probably don’t have free vig shots to just fire them all off, so we may have lowered miskill counts than normal but it won’t be instantaneous. I arrive at this conclusion based on the bullet mechanic discussed in the early stages of the game.

[Jamiet99uk]

My top scumread is also Sweet. Why aren't you voting for him?

Sweet did a bunch of blatant lying. Now he has tremendous support in the thread because people assume that a Wolf would not do so much blatant lying.

I know that.

There are also several people, including you and me, scumreading him. So why not vote for him?

[Jamiet99uk]

What’s your case?

He’s in my POE because he is hard for me to read, but I do not want to flip him today.

I presented reasons for Bozo being scum. Did you read them?

I honestly don’t remember. Can you point me to them?

By all means. Let me summarise and expand on some things I've already noted about Bozotheclown:

1. He voted No-Kill on D1 despite this not being permitted, and then he voted for himself. It was pointed out to him that his vote was on himself, but he took a long time to move it and seemed reluctant to make a proper vote. These shenanigans seem odd when you consider how generally inactive Bozo was during D1.

2. His case on Vecna (blaming Vecna for the Foodcoats wagon) seemed very sketchy to me at the time, and looks worse now Vecna has flipped town.

3. He had a *long* and quite tiresome exchange with Vecna N1 in which he presented a wide range of reasons he thought Vecna was scum (to which Vecna responded very coherently, but Bozo ignored his responses), and yet today he claims he "wasn't trying to push" Vecna.

4. Apart from that exchange with Vecna, a lot of his play represents the play of a back-seat driver giving mild scumreads, with everything he says designed able to be caveated later with excuses like "I wasn't really pushing him...." or "it was only a possible suspicion". Lots of hedging, basically. His strategy appears to be to shade people and contribute to suspicions on them, but to avoid being held accountable if those people die and flip town.

The following additional reasoning is conditional on Sweetandcool also being scum, which I think he is:

As noted, Bozo self-voted on D1 by manipulating the Bot. Sweetandcool then also voted Bozo by the same means, for quite a long period of D1, despite pretending he didn't think his vote was on Bozo. I pointed out to him, multiple times, that his vote was on Bozo and he wilfully refused to engage on the point. If they are scum together, I think this was possibly intended by Sweet as a way of claiming, if Bozo flipped first, "Hey, I voted for Bozo on D1", to gain town-cred.

[Chaqa]

I started rereading Bozo as part of my case and I actually kinda like what I'm reading. I think maybe I was just tunneled on his weird read on me. I think I want to back off pushing him today.

Here are your choices:

POE: Sweet, Jamiet, rdrivera, Fish, Demon, Bozo, worcej, BunnyG

I think my POE is currently at Balki, brain, damo, Demon, KOTP, Lfischl, rivera, worcej

I think Damo is being an undue pass by many.

[Chaqa]

Part of me just wants to vote sweet off to just settle this discourse and let the thread move the fuck on about it

My understanding is that we have a very limited number of miskills left and that this could be disastrous if Sweet is town.

That’s his damn fault for playing selfish and open claiming as a PR or fake claiming as a VT.

Also, the scum probably don’t have free vig shots to just fire them all off, so we may have lowered miskill counts than normal but it won’t be instantaneous. I arrive at this conclusion based on the bullet mechanic discussed in the early stages of the game.

I don't really think you're one to give advice on PR play lol

And what do you mean by "probably don't"? My understanding is they have guns on D2, D3, D4, etc. like the lawmen do?

[President Eden]

KOTP is a good wagon. A great wagon, even.

But Balki? Yuge. Bigly. Undoubtedly one of the wagons of all time.

Follow me!