M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[bozotheclown]

I take offense to saying it was completely unexplained. (it only was in the initial 10-12h of the game)

But if I look past that part....isnt that the entire point of this game?

That is not typically how you handle D1 as town.

Ah I see theres a foodcoats wagon.

Excellent

##vote foodcoats

I soul townread foodcoats on d1 last game, and stuck with it all game. The rest of the game was scumreading him basically.

Here he just does not have that awesome sauce. He's something else. A source if you will.

Foodcoats makes good sharp observations as town that make sense and that I can identify an investigative and inquiring mindset.

He has done nothing like that all game. He's been fluff-posting and being nice to people, and even his game-related posts are not strong at all so far.

As chaqa said, as soon as it became potentially dangerous to scumread Sweet (if youre a scum with allignment information) he suddenly backed off. Nothing changed there with that additional claim from a town pov.

But most importantly; its not about what he's said. Its about what he hasnt said. Anything that rings like towny observation. Foods often quite quick and clear in that regard.

Youi did not give an explanation until Flavius pushed for one, and I don't think your explanation was valid.

You know >why< did bozo push Vecna so hard in the night??
I just dont understand it everything you point to is old news you never addressed what he thought about the game at the >present< moment and just rehashed old food and sweet shannigans, guess what? THAT is how we killed food in the >first< place and it was WRONG to do

I was not trying to push Vecna during N1, I presented reasons why I suspected Vecna could be mafia, along with some others, and Vecna was questioning my reasons, so I was mostly responding to him. I am sorry that I wasted his time since the mafia decided to resolve his alignment for us.

[FlaviusAetius]

I did not realize DiplomacyandWarfare got DKed for his town effort in M89, I also regret my part in pushing his wagon D1.

So SWEET and BOZO were the ones pushing the Dip wagon D1? You guys >tricked< Ham into shooting Dip and because he was flying under the radar thats who Ham shot >why< would you do that? >What< were your reasonings?

I thought DiplomacyandWarfare was a better DK than foodcoats, but it turned out they were equally bad. I did not advocate for anyone shooting D1.

I thought to myself I >WANT< to go after lurkers, bozo fits >two< boxes 1) he pushed Dip 2) he is a lurker
ONTOP of that the things hes typing are poor analysis wise

>just< because you didnt advocate for killing D1(no one did) does not ABSOLVE you from what you did

[FlaviusAetius]

Im doing some VCA and Dip's wagon got A LOT bigger than I thought

[bozotheclown]

So SWEET and BOZO were the ones pushing the Dip wagon D1? You guys >tricked< Ham into shooting Dip and because he was flying under the radar thats who Ham shot >why< would you do that? >What< were your reasonings?

I thought DiplomacyandWarfare was a better DK than foodcoats, but it turned out they were equally bad. I did not advocate for anyone shooting D1.

I thought to myself I >WANT< to go after lurkers, bozo fits >two< boxes 1) he pushed Dip 2) he is a lurker
ONTOP of that the things hes typing are poor analysis wise

>just< because you didnt advocate for killing D1(no one did) does not ABSOLVE you from what you did

There is no reason to think I had any more influence on Hamilton than anyone else though. You can scum read me for other reasons but I don't think holding me responsible for Hamilton's decision is a good reason.

[FlaviusAetius]

##VOTE WORCEJ

Probably the best play today is killing Food and if he flips scum someone just shoot Dip.

nice

RDR is the one who convinced Ham to shoot Dip, WHY?
##vote rdr

[FlaviusAetius]

I thought DiplomacyandWarfare was a better DK than foodcoats, but it turned out they were equally bad. I did not advocate for anyone shooting D1.

I thought to myself I >WANT< to go after lurkers, bozo fits >two< boxes 1) he pushed Dip 2) he is a lurker
ONTOP of that the things hes typing are poor analysis wise

>just< because you didnt advocate for killing D1(no one did) does not ABSOLVE you from what you did

There is no reason to think I had any more influence on Hamilton than anyone else though. You can scum read me for other reasons but I don't think holding me responsible for Hamilton's decision is a good reason.

I AGREE, I found something >huge< rdr is the one who convicned Ham to shoot Dip look at what I just quoted

[FlaviusAetius]

rdr is one of the >lone< voices D1 advocating for Desperado to SHOOT, but he's a lurker, >why< would he be giving an opinion that could change the game so drastically D1??

[FlaviusAetius]

Alright my shot is in. Better luck next time rdrivera.

How we feelin?

Feeling good because I can read the setup.

He >understands< how big shooting someone D1 is and the potential costs AND YET in nearly >every< single message he advocates doing it; EDEN of all people

[FlaviusAetius]

Well, this game will be fast at least.

You should probably have killed me, as I will keep being a wagon just because it's easy to say I didn't post enough and I won't post more then I did D1.

I asked him >why< on this post he >didnt< respond to me but this isnt an excuse like HALF the game is lurking here he doesnt get a pass for joining in the >charades<

[bozotheclown]

Even with Vecna being town, I still think BunnyGo, Chaqa, and Jamie are reasonable scum suspects.

The other players I am most concerned about are DemonRHK, kingofthepirates, lfischl, and rdrivera, since there is not much to go on with them. They also have not voted D2 yet.

[FlaviusAetius]

##vote kingofthepirates

Wouldn't shoot anyone else

Finally somebody with sense around here.

We’re killing Balki first but yes that’s a great idea.

>why< what makes KOTP so different from any other lurker? Im ngl their >all< feeling very scummy to me for similar reasons and I want to take OUT >one< of them

[FlaviusAetius]

Even with Vecna being town, I still think BunnyGo, Chaqa, and Jamie are reasonable scum suspects.

The other players I am most concerned about are DemonRHK, kingofthepirates, lfischl, and rdrivera, since there is not much to go on with them. They also have not voted D2 yet.

Lookng at >all< of their posts is fairly easy because they arent typing much of anything, rdr is my guy right now because hes acting like >mr. lurker< yet he comes in and swoops and makes a fairly >important< game changing few posts then basically says peaces AFTER it happens!

[bozotheclown]

Well, this game will be fast at least.

You should probably have killed me, as I will keep being a wagon just because it's easy to say I didn't post enough and I won't post more then I did D1.

I asked him >why< on this post he >didnt< respond to me but this isnt an excuse like HALF the game is lurking here he doesnt get a pass for joining in the >charades<

I thought that was a suspicious post, it could be a mafia ploy to seem like he does not care if he is DKed.

[FlaviusAetius]

That is not typically how you handle D1 as town.









Youi did not give an explanation until Flavius pushed for one, and I don't think your explanation was valid.

You know >why< did bozo push Vecna so hard in the night??
I just dont understand it everything you point to is old news you never addressed what he thought about the game at the >present< moment and just rehashed old food and sweet shannigans, guess what? THAT is how we killed food in the >first< place and it was WRONG to do

I was not trying to push Vecna during N1, I presented reasons why I suspected Vecna could be mafia, along with some others, and Vecna was questioning my reasons, so I was mostly responding to him. I am sorry that I wasted his time since the mafia decided to resolve his alignment for us.

It reminded me of something >very< similar to what brain was doing to ME, but like a lot >worse< its still a very scummy thing to do but a lurker HAS to die today, my original reason for suspecting you turned out to be FALSE, so im going back to the drawing board on >you<

[FlaviusAetius]

Well, this game will be fast at least.

You should probably have killed me, as I will keep being a wagon just because it's easy to say I didn't post enough and I won't post more then I did D1.

I asked him >why< on this post he >didnt< respond to me but this isnt an excuse like HALF the game is lurking here he doesnt get a pass for joining in the >charades<

I thought that was a suspicious post, it could be a mafia ploy to seem like he does not care if he is DKed.

Hes the >only< lurker openly lurking hes not even >sorry< about it

[FlaviusAetius]

For a player struggling like kotp or perhaps lfischl I think if one of them were to become gunned as a lawman they seem to rely on others alot to form their opinions and left to their own devices, with a gun; they may feel very lost as to who is the threads most towny individuals

THAT is why I proposed we do the >list< thing because we need to organize our argument >better<

[FlaviusAetius]

Would you say this as a gunman planning to shoot me? Lol

Why do I never trust you even when youre sincere. I still feel bad about the rpg.

Eh don't. It's just a game. And a shitshow.

As far as this game, the bona thing was such a major townslip you'd not be in my scumreads ever. Plus, it helps to have a root to build off of while solving.

I still dont buy that he >actually< thought Bona was playing the names are ALL listed on the >first< page and he very well >knows< the website it was a BIG post where he did it so he surely was looking back at stuff >too<

I was >willing< to buy he meant to put someone else down and just confused the names, I mean >I< do that, but actually THINKING Bona was >in< the game is just another level of fake

[FlaviusAetius]

No id like to see this discussion.

Nothing else is happening anyway, I will read balki case in detail soon.

FACTS Im reading it >right< now but I want to read that just include a disclaimer or something

[damo666]

Willing to vote kotp rdr or maybe Demon. Very unlikely to vote outside those 3. I predict a scum victory.

[rdrivera2005]

I asked him >why< on this post he >didnt< respond to me but this isnt an excuse like HALF the game is lurking here he doesnt get a pass for joining in the >charades<

I thought that was a suspicious post, it could be a mafia ploy to seem like he does not care if he is DKed.

Hes the >only< lurker openly lurking hes not even >sorry< about it

Voting me lurking is fine. Telling I influenced Ham to shoot show you aren't reading things right. I only said to shoot Dip if Food flip scum (this obviously means Foods need to be the DK first), so I was never advocating for a D1 shot. In fact, shooting at D1 is the stupidest thing Desperado can do (sorry Ham).