Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[Squigs44]

Page 14 - [snip] Don't like damo's jump on yav. Seems opportunistic. I can excuse the two who did it first because they're terrible (not that damo isn't).

I'd like to lynch Jamie, but I guess I'll let them replace him since it's early enough for a new player to get an actual fresh start. ##vote damo. Worcej and thd are my other scumreads.

This is the only thing I found in that post where you talk about damo. Is the sole reason you are voting damo because of his jump on yav? Also, who are the two others that are terrible, and why pick on damo over them after admitting that damo is also terrible?

See, I take issue with how confusing and roundabout this whole post is. You aren't clear in anything you are saying.

Maybe you're just too dense to understand me.

Well the only person who has posted in favor of your long post was ND, so if you want to claim that ND is the only one smart enough to understand you, go ahead.

[ghug]

What bizarre sheeping

Who's sheeting?

[Squigs44]

Page 2 - xorxes is my spirit animal
Page 3 - thd feels scummy
Page 4 - defensive post from xorxes sticks out to me. ND seems town. Jamie could easily be faking this emotion.
Page 5 - Tom for sure scum for pretending to love ND more than he loves me. Bozo suggesting dumb things for town seems townie.
Page 6 - I like Balki here for trying to move away from the box discussion once it's run its course. I dislike that he didn't couple it with any concrete new thing to talk about.
Page 7 - Ok I like Balki. Worcej is sus as fuck for responding seriously to the request to policy lynch Jamie.
Page 8 - Everyone is scumreading xorxes for the spirit animal shit instead of his strangely defensive response to that criticism. Vecna is shit so I'm leaning town. Durga seems comfortable, so leaning town there too.
Pages 9-11 - Jamie is angry about process rather than things he thinks are scummy. This strikes me as scummy. We should lynch szpoti so that I don't have to figure out how to read analytical noobs. Xorxes is an alien from Planet Lojban. Ike made it seem like he didn't fuck up the game he GMed to divert Jamie back at worcej and co. This is very clever and Ike is not, so I think it was an accident.
Hmm somehow I ended up on page 11.
Page 12 - I love how incredibly stupid some of you people are.
Page 14 - ND said something semi-intelligent kill me now. Don't like damo's jump on yav. Seems opportunistic. I can excuse the two who did it first because they're terrible (not that damo isn't). God I actually love ND this page what is wrong with me? @Szpoti have you followed any past games or ever played elsewhere?
Page 15? Probably - Durga's logic on ND seems authentic, and I do agree he's town, but it should be noted that he was talking about the persona he was putting on to fuck with meta reads when he communicated in the QT, so it's not that clear-cut. Balki is definitely a townread.
Page 16 - Ok xorxes is still my spirit animal. So is yav. Xorxes can I have your carefully named babies?
The rest is bullshit mostly.

I townread Balki, ND, Durga. Kinda Vecna and bozo.

I'd like to lynch Jamie, but I guess I'll let them replace him since it's early enough for a new player to get an actual fresh start. ##vote damo. Worcej and thd are my other scumreads.

@ghug - I bolded the stuff I thought was terrible. Yes, there is a lot bolded. Your post is terrible mostly because half of it is spam in the form of jokes or irrelevant things, and the other half is rambling and hard to follow.

I liked what xorxes was doing.

The Tom thing was fully silly.

"I like Balki" was a townread. I had been torn the previous page.

Second spirit animal comment was about people scumreading xorxes for actions I liked (trolling ND and Jamie in a very relaxed way, like a townie having fun) instead of those I didn't (responding poorly to criticism about how much he was talking).

The szpoti concern is legitimate. Foxcastle types make great deep threats, because they're not idiots but can't be read on meta. The Ike thing is also legitimate. The xorxes thing and the pagination thing are irrelevant (though speaking Lojban is super cool).

People are indeed stupid. No regrets.

The ND thing is offering my opinion on his thoughts in a dramatic way.

I liked what xorxes was doing again.

Thank you for explaining this stuff. Why can't you just put this kind of stuff in your original post? Town needs to communicate everything as clearly as possible while scum tries to obfuscate things. I realize you were probably just trying to have fun, but you can still have fun whilst being clear.

[ghug]

This is the only thing I found in that post where you talk about damo. Is the sole reason you are voting damo because of his jump on yav? Also, who are the two others that are terrible, and why pick on damo over them after admitting that damo is also terrible?

See, I take issue with how confusing and roundabout this whole post is. You aren't clear in anything you are saying.

Maybe you're just too dense to understand me.

Well the only person who has posted in favor of your long post was ND, so if you want to claim that ND is the only one smart enough to understand you, go ahead.

It's really easy to write a summative, stream of consciousness catch up post as either alignment. I don't expect to be praised for playing the fucking game.

I don't think it's that hard to understand beyond its being short on detail.

Do you think something about my post is scummy, or do you just dislike how I play?

[ghug]

@ghug - I bolded the stuff I thought was terrible. Yes, there is a lot bolded. Your post is terrible mostly because half of it is spam in the form of jokes or irrelevant things, and the other half is rambling and hard to follow.

I liked what xorxes was doing.

The Tom thing was fully silly.

"I like Balki" was a townread. I had been torn the previous page.

Second spirit animal comment was about people scumreading xorxes for actions I liked (trolling ND and Jamie in a very relaxed way, like a townie having fun) instead of those I didn't (responding poorly to criticism about how much he was talking).

The szpoti concern is legitimate. Foxcastle types make great deep threats, because they're not idiots but can't be read on meta. The Ike thing is also legitimate. The xorxes thing and the pagination thing are irrelevant (though speaking Lojban is super cool).

People are indeed stupid. No regrets.

The ND thing is offering my opinion on his thoughts in a dramatic way.

I liked what xorxes was doing again.

Thank you for explaining this stuff. Why can't you just put this kind of stuff in your original post? Town needs to communicate everything as clearly as possible while scum tries to obfuscate things. I realize you were probably just trying to have fun, but you can still have fun whilst being clear.

Honestly, the biggest purposes of a post like that are to demonstrate that I'm caught up and expose my thought processes, and to give myself notes about my current thought processes when I'm looking back in a couple days.

I'm not ready to try to convince people of things.

[Durga]

Aghhhh ghug is so townie he must be scum

[ghug]

Aghhhh ghug is so townie he must be scum

Thx bb

[Squigs44]

It's really easy to write a summative, stream of consciousness catch up post as either alignment. I don't expect to be praised for playing the fucking game.

I don't think it's that hard to understand beyond its being short on detail.

Do you think something about my post is scummy, or do you just dislike how I play?

1) Fair point

2) How am I supposed to translate "Xorxes is my spirit animal" into "I townread Xorxes because he looked like a comfortable townie when interacting with Jamie and ND"?

3) I think the style of that post was anti-town. The problem with this game is that everyone has a habit or style that is anti-town so it gets ridiculously hard to sort out what is a habit/playstyle and what is anti-town because you are scum. In this case, I don't think being lacking in detail drives a scum agenda in anyway, so I think it is probably more a thing of your playstyle that I dislike.

[Durga]

Aghhhh ghug is so townie he must be scum

Thx bb

Stop flirting with me in public. Alternatively, stop equating me to brainbomb

[Squigs44]

Now can you answer my question about damo? Was his jump on yav the only reason you voted him? Also, why him and not the others that jumped on yav?

[ghug]

Now can you answer my question about damo? Was his jump on yav the only reason you voted him? Also, why him and not the others that jumped on yav?

People jump on stupid scumslips all the time. I dislike it, but if I scumread everything I disliked, I'd be Jamie (you'll note that I do still scumread the Jamie spot. This is a factor, but not the biggest one). Damo's vote was not only shitty logic, but also opportune, bringing the pressure on yav from some suspicion to a little wagon.

[RagingIke297]

What do other people make of Ike telling Jamie he had sent role PMs out at the beginning of the game and leaving out the fact that he had indeed fucked up in a way that made worcej slip?

Ike, did you do this intentionally?

There was no mess up, I sent names to PRs and Scum, VT just got a you're VT so no mass claim would happen. I should have not send flavor text to anyone at all, but the way i intended to do it at the time was PRs and scum knew their flavor names

You posted a bunch of individual role PMs for VTs at the beginning of the thread. The result was multiple people slipping. You're certainly aware that this happened, and it was clearly what worcej was talking about. Why he misleading?

Multiple people?

And Worcej had brought up some thing about how I was going to send out names to VT at some point during the game, that was never the case

[ghug]

There was no mess up, I sent names to PRs and Scum, VT just got a you're VT so no mass claim would happen. I should have not send flavor text to anyone at all, but the way i intended to do it at the time was PRs and scum knew their flavor names

You posted a bunch of individual role PMs for VTs at the beginning of the thread. The result was multiple people slipping. You're certainly aware that this happened, and it was clearly what worcej was talking about. Why he misleading?

Multiple people?

And Worcej had brought up some thing about how I was going to send out names to VT at some point during the game, that was never the case

Yes, multiple people.

He got details wrong. Jamie was throwing a fit about whether it happened at all. You implied it didn't.

Now you're avoiding the question. Were you aware that your game had had anyone slipping because of confusion over setup details!

[ghug]

Aghhhh ghug is so townie he must be scum

Thx bb

Stop flirting with me in public. Alternatively, stop equating me to brainbomb

Pick one.

[Durga]

What the fuck does this line of questioning have to do with anything

[ghug]

What the fuck does this line of questioning have to do with anything

Provoking the Jamies of the world to derail conversation is scum 101, and any situation where you mislead in a way that you can point back later and say "I didn't lie" is suspicious of.

[ghug]

Af

[thdfrance]

##Vote xorxes

From what I saw in the early game I think he's the most likely scum candidate in the pool right now. I don't feel like too much information has been gained in the last few pages, but that could just be me getting tired of reading the whole thread over.

In the first pages there was some interesting interactions between Jamie, ND, and xorxes. And whether it was reaction testing or not I think that xorxes was consistently moving his vote around to be pushing buttons, but not leading any conversations. I know this is a tough ask on the first day...but I think based on what I've seen he is the best candidate for a Lynch at the moment.

[Durga]

What the fuck does this line of questioning have to do with anything

Provoking the Jamies of the world to derail conversation is scum 101, and any situation where you mislead in a way that you can point back later and say "I didn't lie" is suspicious of.

Dude it's Raging Ike...

[Balki Bartokomous]

In the first pages there was some interesting interactions between Jamie, ND, and xorxes. And whether it was reaction testing or not I think that xorxes was consistently moving his vote around to be pushing buttons, but not leading any conversations. I know this is a tough ask on the first day...but I think based on what I've seen he is the best candidate for a Lynch at the moment.

Is “pushing buttons” scum-indicative or town-indicative and why?