M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[FlaviusAetius]

Ive already done this balki.
This already was presented

Everything you said was WRONG in that, look at my response

[sweetandcool]

Conspiracy theory: Flav and brainbomb are scummates.

I don't think brainbomb's arguments about Flav are all that compelling since they seem to rely on Flav being bad for Town as either alignment.

However, I do think that last game he had more thoughtful takes whereas this game he really has been sucking the energy from the thread with pointless arguments and preposterous attacks. Brainbomb being his teammate and their subsequent soul crushing argumentative scum theater.

[FlaviusAetius]

Yes, I also think [BunnyGo] parroting Flavius' writing style is extremely suspicious and since it is not in the context of a joke or communication with Flavius it may well be due to them being teammates and Flavius' writing style rubbing off on him.

Sweetandcool, can you speak more about how find this “extremely suspicious”? You think that BunnyGo was speaking with Flavius in a Mafia thread, and in doing so, BunnyGo subconsciously began writing like Flavius, and then began writing like Flavius in the main game thread involuntarily?

Is that ever something you have observed before or heard about? Why wouldn’t it happen to other players who speak with Flavius in the main thread? Would they be at risk of catching this affliction too?

Also, is this actually something you find to be “extremely suspicious” or is it something you made up?

Perhaps my wording is a bit of an exaggeration. But yes, that is what I was proposing. I have yet to see someone parrot his style except in jest.

Bunny suddenly doing it in a serious context that is completely removed from Flavius is very strange. Being in Mafchat with him would be a very natural explanation.

Of course, I can't base an entire case on it. I still need to examine both players more closely before making a real conclusion.

I dont have some plague people want to add >emphasis< to what they say its not a BAD idea

[sweetandcool]

##VOTE brainbomb

[FlaviusAetius]

Conspiracy theory: Flav and brainbomb are scummates.

I don't think brainbomb's arguments about Flav are all that compelling since they seem to rely on Flav being bad for Town as either alignment.

However, I do think that last game he had more thoughtful takes whereas this game he really has been sucking the energy from the thread with pointless arguments and preposterous attacks. Brainbomb being his teammate and their subsequent soul crushing argumentative scum theater.

ughh I play this game by responding to what people are saying BUT if >brainbomb< is the person who is filling the thread with anti-flav arguments what do you THINK im going to be replying too? Just this >one< argument...Im making my argument against BOZO soon, I think he led Ham into the >wrong< and it got Dip killed

[FlaviusAetius]

This is why chaqa is obv scum:

I quite strongly disagree with you on this one. I think Flavius has been very productive and driving conversation.

Chaqa would not think flavius is productive and certainly as of NOW should acknowledge that flavius was driving the game off a cliff. This needs to be addressed by chaqa.

I don't think this is a convincing argument in itself. People view things differently.

Like I view my shenanigans D1 as helpful and generating interesting content. Others view it as clogging the thread and a waste of Town energy.

So would that make me scum or the people that hated my play scum? If Chaqa likes Flav's play does that really make him scum? Or just someone with a viewpoint that happens to be opposite of yours?

IF I am driving the game off a cliff then tell me so I can >change it< BUT you are >asserting this< without BACKING it up, WHY? >YOU< are the one who are basing this on vibes, you claim >others are doing that< but its >YOU<, its >projection<

[FlaviusAetius]

Brainbomb, you think scum Flav would purposely pick a fight here?

This post is cruel and so much

Im not >trying< to be cruel, but its the TRUTH, you havent done much of anything besides your fakeclaiming >nonsense< you need to >change< and NOW

Not happening, since I am Sheriff. Gotta be authentic.

Im not saying you should >stop< claiming you are sheriff(you should) you should just >stop< talking about it; its not helping anything anymore

[FlaviusAetius]

I do not think anything has been compelling one way or the other.

To summarize why I think you could be mafia, independent of anyone else, you picked one player early to scum read for questionable/unexplained reasons, and spent the day making sure they were the DK:

I take offense to saying it was completely unexplained. (it only was in the initial 10-12h of the game)

But if I look past that part....isnt that the entire point of this game?

That is not typically how you handle D1 as town.

Ah I see theres a foodcoats wagon.

Excellent

##vote foodcoats

Food for thought

vecna in m88



I wonder if scum vecna just knows hb and food are easy people to scumread

I soul townread foodcoats on d1 last game, and stuck with it all game. The rest of the game was scumreading him basically.

Here he just does not have that awesome sauce. He's something else. A source if you will.

I just looked it up he doesnt like foodcoat, I dont like foodcoat either but I want to hear his reasons he cant just say foodcoats is sus and drop off the earth

Foodcoats makes good sharp observations as town that make sense and that I can identify an investigative and inquiring mindset.

He has done nothing like that all game. He's been fluff-posting and being nice to people, and even his game-related posts are not strong at all so far.

As chaqa said, as soon as it became potentially dangerous to scumread Sweet (if youre a scum with allignment information) he suddenly backed off. Nothing changed there with that additional claim from a town pov.

But most importantly; its not about what he's said. Its about what he hasnt said. Anything that rings like towny observation. Foods often quite quick and clear in that regard.

Youi did not give an explanation until Flavius pushed for one, and I don't think your explanation was valid.

You know >why< did bozo push Vecna so hard in the night??
I just dont understand it everything you point to is old news you never addressed what he thought about the game at the >present< moment and just rehashed old food and sweet shannigans, guess what? THAT is how we killed food in the >first< place and it was WRONG to do

[FlaviusAetius]

I dont think flavius has to be scum for chaqa-vecna-jamie to be a team.

I scumread sweet now also for just not engaging with me

???
What happened to the >grand conspiracy< theory??? I dont understand you, no matter WHAT happens according to you I >have< to be scum that makes >no sense< someone FLIPPING is supposed to reveal someone >else< and then someone >else< etc etc

[FlaviusAetius]

I dont think flavius has to be scum for chaqa-vecna-jamie to be a team.

I scumread sweet now also for just not engaging with me

???
What happened to the >grand conspiracy< theory??? I dont understand you, no matter WHAT happens according to you I >have< to be scum that makes >no sense< someone FLIPPING is supposed to reveal someone >else< and then someone >else< etc etc

[FlaviusAetius]

My bad I didnt mean for the double post

WHAT I wanted to say was this;
Why is the sweet wagon even a thing? Didnt we >already< establish that since he's claiming he can be shutdown pretty easily?? If its not open and shut yet then there is >no reason< to vote him

[FlaviusAetius]

You pointed those out N1.

Long after you started scumreading Chaqa

I had not expressed any read of Chaqa long before that.

The point remains the same.

You start with an assumption (people pocketing Flav) - and then fit the rest of the information to fit that story. And you start it off by agreeing with a brainbomb theory that depends on Flav being scum.

It mightve luckily resulted in a correct conclusion on Chaqa (or who knows where), but its very faulty elsewhere.

I DONT think starting with an assumption is a >bad< thing to do, >but< it must be done with something IN game, not starting with a >person< for example I said someone on the >sweet< wagon HAS to be sus, most sus person on there was food, and thats >who< I VOTED

[President Eden]

[FlaviusAetius]

My >new< assumption is whoever pushed the Dip wagon was scum, it caused D1 to go >bad< so I now find my sights on BOZO, the most sus out of them >every< comment he makes I look at with a >fine tooth comb< and I slowly build my case if I cant build it then I >dont< vote
>EVERYONE< doing a catchup should do this sort of thing

[FlaviusAetius]

Its >late< at night no one is on but me and you and apparently brainbomb I can >catchup< in peace and then look at your argument too, I can do it >all< I have two more hours before I go to bed

[FlaviusAetius]

TSA: except if you are Sweet. Sweet should hard claim Lawman right now.

You >cant< know if you are lawman until your gun loads at the start of the day, sweet >cant< know if he is lawman yet so therefore he >cant< claim right now arent you mr. I know the setups, >how< did you miss this?

Your sarcasm detector is not functioning.

I dont think this was sarcasm @president eden see this?

[FlaviusAetius]

I feel like the Sweet wagon was a town-motivated wagon and would have been the right choice.

You did the same >exact< things food did you dont GET to say that and have >yet'< to explain anything!

Foodcoats was town. If my motivations and reactions to Sweet are similar to those you saw from Foodcoats, that should earn me townpoints.

I dont use a points system, its a >bad< way to go about the game, you should >find< something people do are scummy and then create the case from there. YOU dont get townpoints for doing something scummy that makes >no sense<

[FlaviusAetius]

Also, I just realized Bunny is roleplaying as Flavius. Did Flavius' penchant for bolding words for emphasis rub off on Bunny in scumchat?

Is this a crazy subtle scumslip? I'll have to look back and see how they look D1.

Or >maybe< just >maybe< bunny realized how important it is to emphasize words in a text chat game like this to get people to >pay< attention the >most important< part of what you are trying to say

Replying to this to avoid the massive wall if I quoted your previous post:

Yes, I was planning to be AFK in order to convincingly be Desperado. It could have really paid off D2 potentially.

In the end I happened to be AFK anyways, for real reasons, so this line of talk is pretty moot.

Even when I'm in good standing my opinion does little to sway wagons, so I severely doubt me shouting at people to get off Food would have had little affect.

See this wouldnt be an issue >except< the food wagon as I said was NOT a surprise, it was >well known< and just kept building momentum; you being AFK at EOD whether >intentional or not< did not have >any affect< on you voicing your disagreements with the wagon, I >deny< the fact that you had any and this is post-vote disagreements, which is RIDICULOUS to do

[FlaviusAetius]

You can't triple stamp a double stamp, and you can't hardclaim more than once. You really don't understand what a hard claim is if you keep changing it.

We need a new category -- Super Double Dog Hardest Joey Chestnut Claim -- for when Sweet really means it. But it only counts if he puts it in rainbow.

LOL

[President Eden]

You >cant< know if you are lawman until your gun loads at the start of the day, sweet >cant< know if he is lawman yet so therefore he >cant< claim right now arent you mr. I know the setups, >how< did you miss this?

Your sarcasm detector is not functioning.

I dont think this was sarcasm @president eden see this?

I’m sorry homie, I’m like 75% sure Balki is scum, but I’m pretty sure that was just a joke lol.