M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[FlaviusAetius]

I had two feelings that were fighting eachother at the time.

1: The feeling of people trying to stop the foodcoats wagon from going through

2: And the feeling of way too much weird energy/focus from people on my actual read of Foodcoats.

I did not really know at the time what was happening, obviously.

You mainly made it onto that list due to 1.
Bozo made it onto that list mainly due to 2.

Who are your top 4 scum suspects now?

I dont think I have a great answer for you

welp rip Vecna I was just about to say that this is NOT a great answer!!!!
was beginning to be >convinced< of brain and bozo's arguments...

[DemonRHK]

Well shit, now I am sad. Town Vecna is great in the late game.

We are in agreement NO ONE claims a gun today? Or am I off base?

[FlaviusAetius]

I do think this is probably just a 3 way town dumpsterfire though.

Im annoyed with the two of you. I feel brainbomb is annoyed with the situation. Im not 100% yet on Bozo.

I dont generally feel annoyed when scum is trying to poke at me.

Maybe im wrong. But im no longer overly interested in this discussion.

I dont think Vecna did a >good< job in bringing this discussion to a close wasnt answering their questions in an adequate way >at all<

[Jamiet99uk]

RIP Vecna.

I was not roleblocked.

[Jamiet99uk]

(not a SINGLE +1... that was some clever stuff!)
I quit.

You now have several +1's you needy GM, you.

[DemonRHK]

RIP Vecna.

I was not roleblocked.

Completely forgot that was a thing, wasn't me either.

[brainbomb]

For a setup that promised fun and guns there sure seems to be lack of both

[FlaviusAetius]

To summarize you stated I became a scumread for pushing any wagon other than foodcoats.

You stated you didnt know what was going on at the time.

You listed bozo was scum - and dip and war as scum.

Dip was tied with food at 5-5

You then got excited, said yes foodcoats! And then encouraged a counter wagon to foodcoats.

Foodcoats then jumped on chaqa

Damo then jumped on food

You disappear.

Hamilton dies, flips town
Dip dies, flips town

But you dont come back to adjust reads, or pivot to chaqa despite saying that would be a preferrable and hilarious counter wagon to food.

"hilarious counter wagon" he >obviously< wasnt being serious

[sweetandcool]

HAHAHAHA scum thought I was Sheriff and RB me.

And they killed my top scumread, so thank you.

FOOLISH SCUM TEAM

[dargorygel]

DEADLINE MOVED 15M EARLIER

[sweetandcool]

Okay, one thought I'd like to leave you with if this is the last thing I post.

Been thinking a lot about the psychology of sweetandcool.

Sweet is a good player. He legit played one of the best Town games I have seen two games ago when he was Cop, his reads were right on the money, and he executed a role swap that essentially pushed Town into Auto-win.

I can see Sweet making a bold gambit as any alignment. He will take risks, spur discussion, grab the spotlight. All of that is NAI.

His gambit this game though looks different to me. He hard claimed Detective. Then hard claimed Desperado. Then hard claimed Detective. He did it all on a day when the real PRs would have no incentive to claim, and he did it assertively, without trying to avoid a daykill or vig shot.

To me -- this is "look at me" stuff that is very different than a normal Town!Sweet gambit, which is to role swap or fake a claim at a time when it makes sense, and has to be taken seriously. This is "look at me, look at me" for its own sake. And Sweet absolutely knew he was going to get eye rolls and frustration for it.

So what is Sweet's motivation? Is it some kind of weird reaction test? Does that make sense? Say something that makes no strategic sense to get people talking about you? If that's the Town!Sweet play, it is exceptionally unusual.

And beyond being unusual, it's kind of embarrassing. I am trying to picture Town!Sweet, going to Discord after this game, and talking to everyone about his strategy. I am having a really hard time picturing that happeneing.

But what if he is Scum!Sweet? Then he rolls up to Discord after the whole thing ends and says "Yeah, I just figured that if I went a littel crazy and started hard claiming all the rolls, nobody would expect I would call so much attention to myself unnecessarily as Scum. And it worked!"

Then he is respected and lauded.

I can see Sweet taking that kind of risk as Scum!Sweet. It's not a terrible play. It's really not that difficult to execute. It gives him a bit of a shield and an excuse for not engaging very hard in the scumhunting part of the game. And I think it has had a very predictable outcome so far -- namely that many people have considered Sweet untouchable for doing exactly this.

I don't see Town!Sweet taking this risk. If this gambit fails for Town!Sweet, it is a complete embarrassment.

I think that Scum!Sweet is much more likely.

If this is it for me, my legacy guess is Sweetandcool, Jamiet, rdrivera, and... Fish!

Good luck.

I appreciate your analysis.

Hilariously, President Eden determined (correctly) last game that I was playing too embarrassingly to be scum.

Since you both have now used the evidence to attempt to determine my alignment, perhaps we should all decide sweetandcool having no shame is NAI.

Actually, it's probably Town indictive, but that's not compelling when I say it myself.

[sweetandcool]

Deep breath brainbomb, obviously scumteam has decided to taunt you. Who do you think would think that would be funny?

It's also possible you and others were correctly suspecting the team due to erroneously suspecting Vecna.

[Jamiet99uk]

HAHAHAHA scum thought I was Sheriff and RB me.

And they killed my top scumread, so thank you.

FOOLISH SCUM TEAM

Sure, they roleblocked you, sure they did.

And you're the Desperado and the Doctor, and the true King of Scotland, and you know what really happened to Lord Lucan.

##Vote Sweetandcool.

[Jamiet99uk]

For a setup that promised fun and guns there sure seems to be lack of both

I believe that day gunshots *other* than those fired by the Desperado, adjudicate at phase end, Brainbomb.

[Chaqa]

If I hypothetically had a shot today, at the moment i would be shooting Bozo.

I don’t buy that he would miss my two largest posts of the games and only look at two of my reads lists on either side of those posts if he were reading

[Chaqa]

HAHAHAHA scum thought I was Sheriff and RB me.

And they killed my top scumread, so thank you.

FOOLISH SCUM TEAM

I believe you

[dargorygel]

DEADLINE MOVED 15 M EARLIER

[dargorygel]

I'll try again at a more propitious math time. Sorry for the distraction.

[brainbomb]

##vote chaqa

[Chaqa]

##vote chaqa

I’m sorry, but wasn’t your entire fucking theory that me and Vecna were teammates together?

Have you even read my replies to your posts?

Are you even like actually reading this game?