Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[Squigs44]

That’s quite a lot of townreads damo. Please flesh that out.

Based on flavour of posts. I haven't the time right now to quote relevant post(s) for each of townreads. I just read through and made a note of whose posts were possibly AI

While I'm not sure I agree that damo is being very defensive, this post of his worries me. He is being intentionally vague here. Also, the bolded part is hedgy.

[ghug]

What do other people make of Ike telling Jamie he had sent role PMs out at the beginning of the game and leaving out the fact that he had indeed fucked up in a way that made worcej slip?

Ike, did you do this intentionally?

[ND]

"Honest self assessment: would you like my post less if it weren't complimentary of you?"

It would still have some merit. I'm not sure you can say that was complimentary it seems you are beating yourself over the head for agreeing with me. That is actually kind of insulting, but I get your point. I don't know. Make a really insulting post about me and I'll see if I still think it's decent.

[Squigs44]

Page 2 - xorxes is my spirit animal
Page 3 - thd feels scummy
Page 4 - defensive post from xorxes sticks out to me. ND seems town. Jamie could easily be faking this emotion.
Page 5 - Tom for sure scum for pretending to love ND more than he loves me. Bozo suggesting dumb things for town seems townie.
Page 6 - I like Balki here for trying to move away from the box discussion once it's run its course. I dislike that he didn't couple it with any concrete new thing to talk about.
Page 7 - Ok I like Balki. Worcej is sus as fuck for responding seriously to the request to policy lynch Jamie.
Page 8 - Everyone is scumreading xorxes for the spirit animal shit instead of his strangely defensive response to that criticism. Vecna is shit so I'm leaning town. Durga seems comfortable, so leaning town there too.
Pages 9-11 - Jamie is angry about process rather than things he thinks are scummy. This strikes me as scummy. We should lynch szpoti so that I don't have to figure out how to read analytical noobs. Xorxes is an alien from Planet Lojban. Ike made it seem like he didn't fuck up the game he GMed to divert Jamie back at worcej and co. This is very clever and Ike is not, so I think it was an accident.
Hmm somehow I ended up on page 11.
Page 12 - I love how incredibly stupid some of you people are.
Page 14 - ND said something semi-intelligent kill me now. Don't like damo's jump on yav. Seems opportunistic. I can excuse the two who did it first because they're terrible (not that damo isn't). God I actually love ND this page what is wrong with me? @Szpoti have you followed any past games or ever played elsewhere?
Page 15? Probably - Durga's logic on ND seems authentic, and I do agree he's town, but it should be noted that he was talking about the persona he was putting on to fuck with meta reads when he communicated in the QT, so it's not that clear-cut. Balki is definitely a townread.
Page 16 - Ok xorxes is still my spirit animal. So is yav. Xorxes can I have your carefully named babies?
The rest is bullshit mostly.

I townread Balki, ND, Durga. Kinda Vecna and bozo.

I'd like to lynch Jamie, but I guess I'll let them replace him since it's early enough for a new player to get an actual fresh start. ##vote damo. Worcej and thd are my other scumreads.

@ghug - I bolded the stuff I thought was terrible. Yes, there is a lot bolded. Your post is terrible mostly because half of it is spam in the form of jokes or irrelevant things, and the other half is rambling and hard to follow.

[ND]

@Squigs

Your post was decent too. But, tell me specifically:

"ND has a real case that he is pushing (even if I disagree with some of it), so that's towny."

What do you disagree with and what do you agree with.

[Squigs44]

Also, to be clear, just because I didn't make something bold doesn't mean I think it is good. I just think it is less terrible. Most of the unbolded stuff has like zero reasoning to back it up.

[xorxes]

@thdfrance, when you voted for me you said you were going to bring up more evidence later but you never did (or I missed it), and then you changed your vote to ghug. What was the evidence and what changed your mind?

[ghug]

Half of those things are real insights posed in a silly way.

Would you have found similar jokes problematic in the first few pages?

[Squigs44]

@Squigs

Your post was decent too. But, tell me specifically:

"ND has a real case that he is pushing (even if I disagree with some of it), so that's towny."

What do you disagree with and what do you agree with.

I agree that damo's play has not been stellar this game. His reads list was a bit odd this early in the game, especially since it is about three quarters of the players as slight townreads. I disagree that last game's meta applies here, because damo takes a day or two to warm up. I also disagree with your post about damo's differing reactions. He used three exclamation marks in his post to ghug, that seems to be a stronger reaction than his reaction to you "you cannot be serious."

[Squigs44]

Half of those things are real insights posed in a silly way.

Would you have found similar jokes problematic in the first few pages?

Can you explain some of the bolded things and how they are real insights into the game? Maybe I am just incredibly daft and don't understand what the joke means.

[RagingIke297]

What do other people make of Ike telling Jamie he had sent role PMs out at the beginning of the game and leaving out the fact that he had indeed fucked up in a way that made worcej slip?

Ike, did you do this intentionally?

There was no mess up, I sent names to PRs and Scum, VT just got a you're VT so no mass claim would happen. I should have not send flavor text to anyone at all, but the way i intended to do it at the time was PRs and scum knew their flavor names

[Squigs44]

Would you have found similar jokes problematic in the first few pages?

As for this question - if someone made a long list of jokes in the first few pages and followed it up with a serious vote, then yes I would find it problematic. Unless your vote is also a joke?

[ghug]

What do other people make of Ike telling Jamie he had sent role PMs out at the beginning of the game and leaving out the fact that he had indeed fucked up in a way that made worcej slip?

Ike, did you do this intentionally?

There was no mess up, I sent names to PRs and Scum, VT just got a you're VT so no mass claim would happen. I should have not send flavor text to anyone at all, but the way i intended to do it at the time was PRs and scum knew their flavor names

You posted a bunch of individual role PMs for VTs at the beginning of the thread. The result was multiple people slipping. You're certainly aware that this happened, and it was clearly what worcej was talking about. Why he misleading?

[ghug]

Would you have found similar jokes problematic in the first few pages?

As for this question - if someone made a long list of jokes in the first few pages and followed it up with a serious vote, then yes I would find it problematic. Unless your vote is also a joke?

No, it was real. I offered plenty of real insights, did I not?

[Squigs44]

What do other people make of Ike telling Jamie he had sent role PMs out at the beginning of the game and leaving out the fact that he had indeed fucked up in a way that made worcej slip?

Ike, did you do this intentionally?

There was no mess up, I sent names to PRs and Scum, VT just got a you're VT so no mass claim would happen. I should have not send flavor text to anyone at all, but the way i intended to do it at the time was PRs and scum knew their flavor names

You posted a bunch of individual role PMs for VTs at the beginning of the thread. The result was multiple people slipping. You're certainly aware that this happened, and it was clearly what worcej was talking about. Why he misleading?

What does GM Ike's actions from multiple games ago have to do with this game? You think he was intentionally misleading us because he wanted Jamie's attack on worcej to be more effective? That seems convoluted.

[Squigs44]

Page 14 - [snip] Don't like damo's jump on yav. Seems opportunistic. I can excuse the two who did it first because they're terrible (not that damo isn't).

I'd like to lynch Jamie, but I guess I'll let them replace him since it's early enough for a new player to get an actual fresh start. ##vote damo. Worcej and thd are my other scumreads.

This is the only thing I found in that post where you talk about damo. Is the sole reason you are voting damo because of his jump on yav? Also, who are the two others that are terrible, and why pick on damo over them after admitting that damo is also terrible?

See, I take issue with how confusing and roundabout this whole post is. You aren't clear in anything you are saying.

[ghug]

Page 2 - xorxes is my spirit animal
Page 3 - thd feels scummy
Page 4 - defensive post from xorxes sticks out to me. ND seems town. Jamie could easily be faking this emotion.
Page 5 - Tom for sure scum for pretending to love ND more than he loves me. Bozo suggesting dumb things for town seems townie.
Page 6 - I like Balki here for trying to move away from the box discussion once it's run its course. I dislike that he didn't couple it with any concrete new thing to talk about.
Page 7 - Ok I like Balki. Worcej is sus as fuck for responding seriously to the request to policy lynch Jamie.
Page 8 - Everyone is scumreading xorxes for the spirit animal shit instead of his strangely defensive response to that criticism. Vecna is shit so I'm leaning town. Durga seems comfortable, so leaning town there too.
Pages 9-11 - Jamie is angry about process rather than things he thinks are scummy. This strikes me as scummy. We should lynch szpoti so that I don't have to figure out how to read analytical noobs. Xorxes is an alien from Planet Lojban. Ike made it seem like he didn't fuck up the game he GMed to divert Jamie back at worcej and co. This is very clever and Ike is not, so I think it was an accident.
Hmm somehow I ended up on page 11.
Page 12 - I love how incredibly stupid some of you people are.
Page 14 - ND said something semi-intelligent kill me now. Don't like damo's jump on yav. Seems opportunistic. I can excuse the two who did it first because they're terrible (not that damo isn't). God I actually love ND this page what is wrong with me? @Szpoti have you followed any past games or ever played elsewhere?
Page 15? Probably - Durga's logic on ND seems authentic, and I do agree he's town, but it should be noted that he was talking about the persona he was putting on to fuck with meta reads when he communicated in the QT, so it's not that clear-cut. Balki is definitely a townread.
Page 16 - Ok xorxes is still my spirit animal. So is yav. Xorxes can I have your carefully named babies?
The rest is bullshit mostly.

I townread Balki, ND, Durga. Kinda Vecna and bozo.

I'd like to lynch Jamie, but I guess I'll let them replace him since it's early enough for a new player to get an actual fresh start. ##vote damo. Worcej and thd are my other scumreads.

@ghug - I bolded the stuff I thought was terrible. Yes, there is a lot bolded. Your post is terrible mostly because half of it is spam in the form of jokes or irrelevant things, and the other half is rambling and hard to follow.

I liked what xorxes was doing.

The Tom thing was fully silly.

"I like Balki" was a townread. I had been torn the previous page.

Second spirit animal comment was about people scumreading xorxes for actions I liked (trolling ND and Jamie in a very relaxed way, like a townie having fun) instead of those I didn't (responding poorly to criticism about how much he was talking).

The szpoti concern is legitimate. Foxcastle types make great deep threats, because they're not idiots but can't be read on meta. The Ike thing is also legitimate. The xorxes thing and the pagination thing are irrelevant (though speaking Lojban is super cool).

People are indeed stupid. No regrets.

The ND thing is offering my opinion on his thoughts in a dramatic way.

I liked what xorxes was doing again.

[ghug]

Page 14 - [snip] Don't like damo's jump on yav. Seems opportunistic. I can excuse the two who did it first because they're terrible (not that damo isn't).

I'd like to lynch Jamie, but I guess I'll let them replace him since it's early enough for a new player to get an actual fresh start. ##vote damo. Worcej and thd are my other scumreads.

This is the only thing I found in that post where you talk about damo. Is the sole reason you are voting damo because of his jump on yav? Also, who are the two others that are terrible, and why pick on damo over them after admitting that damo is also terrible?

See, I take issue with how confusing and roundabout this whole post is. You aren't clear in anything you are saying.

Maybe you're just too dense to understand me.

[Durga]

What bizarre sheeping

[ghug]

There was no mess up, I sent names to PRs and Scum, VT just got a you're VT so no mass claim would happen. I should have not send flavor text to anyone at all, but the way i intended to do it at the time was PRs and scum knew their flavor names

You posted a bunch of individual role PMs for VTs at the beginning of the thread. The result was multiple people slipping. You're certainly aware that this happened, and it was clearly what worcej was talking about. Why he misleading?

What does GM Ike's actions from multiple games ago have to do with this game? You think he was intentionally misleading us because he wanted Jamie's attack on worcej to be more effective? That seems convoluted.

Why would he not be straightforward about it? Getting Jamie to be ridiculous is a great scum strategy.