M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[damo666]

Off to the pub to watch both QFs. No more posts from me N1.

[Vecna]

What I am trying to achieve is to identify the mafia. If your want more details please be more specific.

Have any of my answers actually lead to a change in your perception of my alignment?

Which answers were the most impactfull? Which answers did you think I was more likely to be scum?

I do not think anything has been compelling one way or the other.

To summarize why I think you could be mafia, independent of anyone else, you picked one player early to scum read for questionable/unexplained reasons, and spent the day making sure they were the DK:

There really is quite the wagon on Jamie. sweet, are you greatly compelled to believe Jamie is scum?

That sounds most serene. I'm well - had a long day in the sun, so I'm tired, but in the nice way.

Quick balki, he's trying to befriend you.

(I actually do think theres a decent shot foodcoats is scum here)

Someone borrow me their gun and shoot foodcoats please

I take offense to saying it was completely unexplained. (it only was in the initial 10-12h of the game)

But if I look past that part....isnt that the entire point of this game?

[brainbomb]

01. brainbomb
02. FlaviusAetius scum
03. Jamiet99uk scum
04. sweetandcool scum
05. DiplomacyAndwarfare
06. lfischl town
07. President Eden null
08. KingofthePirates town
09. Balki null
10. DemonRHK town
11. Hamilton Brian
12. worcej town
13. bozotheclown town
14. damo666 town
15. Foodcoats
16. Rdrivera2005 null
17. bunnygo null
18. Vecna scum
19. chaqa scum

[brainbomb]

Rdr reax to being wagoned was pure however so null to townlean

[Vecna]

Is chaqa being scum 100% conditional on flavius being town, and/or jamiet being scum in your mind Bozo?

You seem to only draw conclusions on Chaqa based on your perception of other players.

Is this inaccurate?

So you think Flavius is town correct?

No, I pointed out some inconsistencies in Chaqa's reads, and foodcoats had some reasonable opinions.

I do think Flavius is likely to be town.

If you think Flavius is town, have you actually looked into brainbombs reasoning for scumreading him?

Im sort of surprised that you townread Flav, but are just joining together with brainbomb in questioning me for hours, while his basis for being suspicious of me lies in the fact I was protecting Flav.

Or do you view his reasoning different, or just dont care?

[brainbomb]

None of the players I look up to as being coherent or a voice of reason are doing anything to assauge my devolving into theorycraft are talking enough.

Im left to think maybe im actually somehow leading this circus. Bozo looks very town and damo.

Damo is probably my strongest town. I also think lfischl is very town this game

[Balki Bartokomous]

Yes, I also think [BunnyGo] parroting Flavius' writing style is extremely suspicious and since it is not in the context of a joke or communication with Flavius it may well be due to them being teammates and Flavius' writing style rubbing off on him.

Sweetandcool, can you speak more about how find this “extremely suspicious”? You think that BunnyGo was speaking with Flavius in a Mafia thread, and in doing so, BunnyGo subconsciously began writing like Flavius, and then began writing like Flavius in the main game thread involuntarily?

Is that ever something you have observed before or heard about? Why wouldn’t it happen to other players who speak with Flavius in the main thread? Would they be at risk of catching this affliction too?

Also, is this actually something you find to be “extremely suspicious” or is it something you made up?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Rdr reax to being wagoned was pure however so null to townlean

Can you flesh this out more? I saw very little reaction and I don’t know how to sort it.

[Vecna]

Im actually rather disappointed in the both of you.

I took a significant chunk of time and good-will to answer your questions, with genuine intent.

And all it results in is Brainbomb just to keep incorrectly scumreading me, and for Bozo to say it didnt even move the dial.

Watch the rest of the flock realize im now obv-town though.

[brainbomb]

People are towning flavius for three possible reasons

1. They want to think he just plays this way as town based on past games, without looking at his scum games

2. They are scum that love how (town) flavius acts as a defacto extra scum member with terrible reads, terrible takes, and floods the game with ridiculous filler

3. They are scum with him and want him to ride the wave of spam and filler he generates

[brainbomb]

This is why chaqa is obv scum:

I quite strongly disagree with you on this one. I think Flavius has been very productive and driving conversation.

Chaqa would not think flavius is productive and certainly as of NOW should acknowledge that flavius was driving the game off a cliff. This needs to be addressed by chaqa.

[Balki Bartokomous]

People are towning flavius for three possible reasons

1. They want to think he just plays this way as town based on past games, without looking at his scum games

2. They are scum that love how (town) flavius acts as a defacto extra scum member with terrible reads, terrible takes, and floods the game with ridiculous filler

3. They are scum with him and want him to ride the wave of spam and filler he generates

@brainbomb, I’ve heard you explain that you think comparisons to Flavius’s last town game are invalid because he told you he was trying to act scummy in that game to solicit a tadpole. Have you looked at Flavius’s other Town games? Can you give me a sense of your profile for Town!Flavius and your profile for Scum!Flavius? What are your expectations of each and what is your basis for that?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Im actually rather disappointed in the both of you.

I took a significant chunk of time and good-will to answer your questions, with genuine intent.

And all it results in is Brainbomb just to keep incorrectly scumreading me, and for Bozo to say it didnt even move the dial.

Watch the rest of the flock realize im now obv-town though.

I like self-righteous, disappointed Vecna.

[Vecna]

People are towning flavius for three possible reasons

1. They want to think he just plays this way as town based on past games, without looking at his scum games

2. They are scum that love how (town) flavius acts as a defacto extra scum member with terrible reads, terrible takes, and floods the game with ridiculous filler

3. They are scum with him and want him to ride the wave of spam and filler he generates

1: so if he plays this way both as scum and town, dont you feel that you should come with something more convincing than "he plays like this as scum". Because youre doing the exact same thing you attack people over. Something about burden of proof if you wanna convince people?

2: The same can be said about every mafia player. It sorta comes with the territory of limited information. Overly harsh imo.

You keep complaining, but im yet to see any convincing argument.

Im willing to listen.

[brainbomb]

People are towning flavius for three possible reasons

1. They want to think he just plays this way as town based on past games, without looking at his scum games

2. They are scum that love how (town) flavius acts as a defacto extra scum member with terrible reads, terrible takes, and floods the game with ridiculous filler

3. They are scum with him and want him to ride the wave of spam and filler he generates

@brainbomb, I’ve heard you explain that you think comparisons to Flavius’s last town game are invalid because he told you he was trying to act scummy in that game to solicit a tadpole. Have you looked at Flavius’s other Town games? Can you give me a sense of your profile for Town!Flavius and your profile for Scum!Flavius? What are your expectations of each and what is your basis for that?

Sure tell me why you care and ill go do that due diligence. Ive reviewed his one mafia game m45 and concluded he got by playing the newb card and latching onto popular takes. He lived on hot topics and used them was weapons. He selectively used other people as a shield for his own reads.

Citing examples of this when I began to scumread eden he insists chaqa deserves the “credit” for eden scumread; while not actually scumreading eden himself.

[Vecna]

Im actually rather disappointed in the both of you.

I took a significant chunk of time and good-will to answer your questions, with genuine intent.

And all it results in is Brainbomb just to keep incorrectly scumreading me, and for Bozo to say it didnt even move the dial.

Watch the rest of the flock realize im now obv-town though.

I like self-righteous, disappointed Vecna.

if I get a gun tomorrow itll be you thats disappointed I think

[brainbomb]

People are towning flavius for three possible reasons

1. They want to think he just plays this way as town based on past games, without looking at his scum games

2. They are scum that love how (town) flavius acts as a defacto extra scum member with terrible reads, terrible takes, and floods the game with ridiculous filler

3. They are scum with him and want him to ride the wave of spam and filler he generates

1: so if he plays this way both as scum and town, dont you feel that you should come with something more convincing than "he plays like this as scum". Because youre doing the exact same thing you attack people over. Something about burden of proof if you wanna convince people?

2: The same can be said about every mafia player. It sorta comes with the territory of limited information. Overly harsh imo.

You keep complaining, but im yet to see any convincing argument.

Im willing to listen.

The burden of proof is in the meta data.
We have a bot
We have a search tool
People can do this also. There is a misconception being floated around but bottom line is in this game, currently his reads have been bad, his takes have been bad, and hes scum.

Ive provided countless examples and the only defenses ive seen were base vibe takes on what people think they remember. Its a very weak reason to defend him given what Ive provided.

[Balki Bartokomous]

People are towning flavius for three possible reasons

1. They want to think he just plays this way as town based on past games, without looking at his scum games

2. They are scum that love how (town) flavius acts as a defacto extra scum member with terrible reads, terrible takes, and floods the game with ridiculous filler

3. They are scum with him and want him to ride the wave of spam and filler he generates

@brainbomb, I’ve heard you explain that you think comparisons to Flavius’s last town game are invalid because he told you he was trying to act scummy in that game to solicit a tadpole. Have you looked at Flavius’s other Town games? Can you give me a sense of your profile for Town!Flavius and your profile for Scum!Flavius? What are your expectations of each and what is your basis for that?

Sure tell me why you care and ill go do that due diligence. Ive reviewed his one mafia game m45 and concluded he got by playing the newb card and latching onto popular takes. He lived on hot topics and used them was weapons. He selectively used other people as a shield for his own reads.

Citing examples of this when I began to scumread eden he insists chaqa deserves the “credit” for eden scumread; while not actually scumreading eden himself.

I care for very similar reasons to what Vecna said above. I have the impression that the things you are identifying about Flavius in this game are just things that characterize Flavius more generally and I want to understand better if you have a different vision of what Town!Flavius looks like and where that vision comes from.

[brainbomb]

Dont ask someone to spoonfeed you something you can take five minutes to go review in peterbot yourself

[Balki Bartokomous]

People are towning flavius for three possible reasons

1. They want to think he just plays this way as town based on past games, without looking at his scum games

2. They are scum that love how (town) flavius acts as a defacto extra scum member with terrible reads, terrible takes, and floods the game with ridiculous filler

3. They are scum with him and want him to ride the wave of spam and filler he generates

1: so if he plays this way both as scum and town, dont you feel that you should come with something more convincing than "he plays like this as scum". Because youre doing the exact same thing you attack people over. Something about burden of proof if you wanna convince people?

2: The same can be said about every mafia player. It sorta comes with the territory of limited information. Overly harsh imo.

You keep complaining, but im yet to see any convincing argument.

Im willing to listen.

The burden of proof is in the meta data.
We have a bot
We have a search tool
People can do this also. There is a misconception being floated around but bottom line is in this game, currently his reads have been bad, his takes have been bad, and hes scum.

Ive provided countless examples and the only defenses ive seen were base vibe takes on what people think they remember. Its a very weak reason to defend him given what Ive provided.

My take on Flavius isn’t about vibes it’s about unfiltered, messy fearlessness.