M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[bozotheclown]

Yeah Bozo, notice how literally the entire scumteam is in the substitute scumreads.

I noted 6 potentinal scumreads, which included the entire scumteam. Obviously I stated my preferred kills, so that I excuse to misskill some towns first.

Spectacular performance that game

Thats not at all whats happening here.

Feel free to keep tunneling though. Ill keep battling you with obstinance untill you either admit crying that youre scum yourself, or untill you see the light that im obviously town.

You still had your teammates listed in the "probably all town" group.

Yet I made them all a credible vote in case bussing was needed.

You know im not bussing you this game
brainbomb knows im not bussing him this game

Regardless, youre harping on about the wrong type of thing, and I regret even saying it. The past is no guarantee for the future, and you know well enough that this situation is just as plausible from either alignment. Unless you also wanna claim that like brainbomb you think im incapable of being wrong as town on d1?

Yes, but as you mentioned, you were the one who brought it up.

[Vecna]

You still had your teammates listed in the "probably all town" group.

Yet I made them all a credible vote in case bussing was needed.

You know im not bussing you this game
brainbomb knows im not bussing him this game

Regardless, youre harping on about the wrong type of thing, and I regret even saying it. The past is no guarantee for the future, and you know well enough that this situation is just as plausible from either alignment. Unless you also wanna claim that like brainbomb you think im incapable of being wrong as town on d1?

When did you change your mind about Jamie during D1?

im not sure I ever did. There was always that lingering feeling. Its still there.

But I had a shiny new toy to chase

[brainbomb]

To summarize you stated I became a scumread for pushing any wagon other than foodcoats.

You stated you didnt know what was going on at the time.

You listed bozo was scum - and dip and war as scum.

Dip was tied with food at 5-5

You then got excited, said yes foodcoats! And then encouraged a counter wagon to foodcoats.

Foodcoats then jumped on chaqa

Damo then jumped on food

You disappear.

Hamilton dies, flips town
Dip dies, flips town

But you dont come back to adjust reads, or pivot to chaqa despite saying that would be a preferrable and hilarious counter wagon to food.

[Vecna]

You still had your teammates listed in the "probably all town" group.

Yet I made them all a credible vote in case bussing was needed.

You know im not bussing you this game
brainbomb knows im not bussing him this game

Regardless, youre harping on about the wrong type of thing, and I regret even saying it. The past is no guarantee for the future, and you know well enough that this situation is just as plausible from either alignment. Unless you also wanna claim that like brainbomb you think im incapable of being wrong as town on d1?

Yes, but as you mentioned, you were the one who brought it up.

To be fair, brainbomb started this whole discussion, ive just been defending myself from accusations to the best of my ability.

[Vecna]

To summarize you stated I became a scumread for pushing any wagon other than foodcoats.

You stated you didnt know what was going on at the time.

You listed bozo was scum - and dip and war as scum.

Dip was tied with food at 5-5

You then got excited, said yes foodcoats! And then encouraged a counter wagon to foodcoats.

Foodcoats then jumped on chaqa

Damo then jumped on food

You disappear.

Hamilton dies, flips town
Dip dies, flips town

But you dont come back to adjust reads, or pivot to chaqa despite saying that would be a preferrable and hilarious counter wagon to food.

I just egged on foodcoats to vote chaqa. I never said it was a preferable counter wagon (but d1 chaqa wagons are always hilarious). I chuckled when it resulted in damo switching to food as a result of that.

I was townreading chaqa d1.

[brainbomb]

Since you pushed a joke counter wagon to foodcoats- did you ever consider scumreading yourself for encouraging this?

[brainbomb]

You dont have to answer that

[Vecna]

Since you pushed a joke counter wagon to foodcoats- did you ever consider scumreading yourself for encouraging this?

I encoured foodcoats to start a CW on chaqa because I realized it would make him look desperate and result in it being more likely that he would be the D1 vote.

Sorry food. But it still was funny to me.

[Vecna]

I think you guys owe it to yourself to realize these fast-fire genuine answers were sponsored by true-spirit townyness.



Im sure you'll realize when I was scum recently I just squirmed away to solve it with a NK.

None of that chickenshitstuff happening here.

[Vecna]

anything else?

And Brainbomb, I do think youre sincere here, but this time youre not correct.

Im not so sure yet about Bozo, although he does not feel like a high priority target.

[Vecna]

And I never said I had a strong townread on Flav this game fwiw, I just could not connect with your reasoning.

The slot still has to be sorted, and his townyness -was- stronger last game. Im not sure anymore when I could lock that in as strongly as I did, but it was overwhelmingly obvious last game.

Maybe itll happen this game. Or maybe you'll have your little moment of I told you so yet.

[bozotheclown]

anything else?

And Brainbomb, I do think youre sincere here, but this time youre not correct.

Im not so sure yet about Bozo, although he does not feel like a high priority target.

What "movement" were you talking about here:

dont forget people;

killing scum d1 this game is really important. it instantly robs scum of one of their kills.

This movement around Food is making me feel good were about to deprive em.

This could have been a reminder to the mafia not to bus any more. Also, the only movement of votes pertaining to foodcoats at that time was BunnyGo changing his vote from foodcoats to DiplomacyandWarfare, but this did not seem to make Vecna suspect BunnyGo was trying to protect foodcoats, based on this:

BB, D&W, Food, HB, Bozo

My current guess is that group contains all 4 scum

Also, the five of us listed were voting for 5 different players at the time of that post, also not consistent with the idea that there was a mafia effort to prevent a foodcoats DK.

[Vecna]

it was mainly the wagon on Worcej that turbo'd in there.

Low-hanging fruit wagon that just looks to be an easy crowd-pleaser.

I did not have any person or pusher in mind when making that statement, just a general gut feeling that there was an attempt to see what else could get traction.

[Vecna]

talk me through your thought process Bozo

What are you trying to achieve with these last few questions?

Be as detailled as possible please.

Lets see the towny thought process behind the questions if it exists.

[Jamiet99uk]

-Jamiet actually did not really get angry even though there was plenty of reason for it to happen. I might have to revisit my initial gutsensation of his progression 1-2-3 not making sense.

This is both tired and inaccurate.

Sadly, I did lose my cool early in the game. Darg actually felt the need to PM me to ask if I was feeling ok. The fact you've already forgotten about that part of the game AND YET you are simultaneously using the whole "Jamie gets angry as town" trope, is annoying and suggests you are forgetting or ignoring things that don't fit your assumptions.

Was that before or after you contacted him about asking for a sub?

It was immediately after.

[brainbomb]

Since you pushed a joke counter wagon to foodcoats- did you ever consider scumreading yourself for encouraging this?

I encoured foodcoats to start a CW on chaqa because I realized it would make him look desperate and result in it being more likely that he would be the D1 vote.

Sorry food. But it still was funny to me.

Seems pretty convoluted. Baiting a scumread of yours to vote for a townread of yours and he complied then you disappeared

[bozotheclown]

The thing about this game being ultra-swingy could probably move certain players to play differently than they normally would.

-Balki has been very under the radar and Ive not really seen him try to solve anyone the way he did when I was scum. He's doing the thing I do where he judges and comments, rather than prods and experiments. Plus, he has not called anyone servile to rile them up.

-Chaqa did that very good post, that might have totally fooled me spectacularly. However, if he really had already gotten to the point of having such a good oversight, where was LEADER CHAQA that we have seen in the past when he was super involved. If Chaqa is scum, this will probably be the first time in history he does not N1 me because they probably dont wanna use their 1 NK right now.

-Rdrivera was actually more active and had way more attractive opinions than he normally does. He also seemed to be afraid of getting killed early for some reason, which never ever happens.

-Jamiet actually did not really get angry even though there was plenty of reason for it to happen. I might have to revisit my initial gutsensation of his progression 1-2-3 not making sense.

-Sweet has really used his gimmick as a shield to not really actually interact with the game and solve it. I did really like that big wallpost he did explaining his shit though, but im not sure if its enough.

What do you mean by "1 NK"? Is that supposed to be a town tell?

[Jamiet99uk]

if jamiet flips scum, you better realize this townclears me. no way he makes this post if we are teammates

Why not?

Because this is a textbook type of post that you make either as town, or as scum that has been wrongly tied to a suspicious person.

No team mate of mine would say such a thing.

[Vecna]

Since you pushed a joke counter wagon to foodcoats- did you ever consider scumreading yourself for encouraging this?

I encoured foodcoats to start a CW on chaqa because I realized it would make him look desperate and result in it being more likely that he would be the D1 vote.

Sorry food. But it still was funny to me.

Seems pretty convoluted. Baiting a scumread of yours to vote for a townread of yours and he complied then you disappeared

not convoluted at all. Just trying to make sure to get the outcome I wanted.

Also I didnt disappear completely, I checked in several times later on to see if Foodcoats was still leading.

And yes, I did see the shots, and still wanted food

[Vecna]

Why not?

Because this is a textbook type of post that you make either as town, or as scum that has been wrongly tied to a suspicious person.

No team mate of mine would say such a thing.

that depends on whether youre town jimmit