M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[bozotheclown]

Heres all the points where you seem to miss a ton of nuance (the difference with your last few games where you just quitely observed the gamestate for a long time is very different this game).

Bunnygo being frustrated with Sweet: Very easy to come from any alignment. The sweet play is aggrevating. The thing about assuming it to come from town in that one post? Might actually have a minor point there, but even that is not that odd since im pretty sure a lot of people are towning sweet for his crap. He would also do it as scum obviously, because it would be a wonderfull cover, especially after last game he realized that if he is just ultra scummy all game he is more likely to live.

All the stuff surrounding Flavius: He is playing a near identical style to last game. How are you suddenly trying to claim that everyone that thinks he is town is "pocketing" him? How is that a fair assesment of whether someone is scummy? And regarding brainbombs case; how come youre not wondering about that logic? He is using the argument that because flavius was trying to get recruited, he would also still be playing in his scum meta long after the recruit occured. Brainbomb claims that anyone that does not buy that argument (that someone plays a full game in his scummeta because he wants to be recruited) must be scum defending him.

Youre literally playing like brainbomb where you try to connect all the dots before you've seen a single piece of confirmed information.

This is not how you have been playing the last few games. This is not how I prefer you to play if you are actually town, because its just gonna lead to rediculous collusions that dont help anything. Im worried

If sweetandcool is mafia, BunnyGo and/or Jamie could easily be mafia with him.

[Vecna]

Heres all the points where you seem to miss a ton of nuance (the difference with your last few games where you just quitely observed the gamestate for a long time is very different this game).

Bunnygo being frustrated with Sweet: Very easy to come from any alignment. The sweet play is aggrevating. The thing about assuming it to come from town in that one post? Might actually have a minor point there, but even that is not that odd since im pretty sure a lot of people are towning sweet for his crap. He would also do it as scum obviously, because it would be a wonderfull cover, especially after last game he realized that if he is just ultra scummy all game he is more likely to live.

All the stuff surrounding Flavius: He is playing a near identical style to last game. How are you suddenly trying to claim that everyone that thinks he is town is "pocketing" him? How is that a fair assesment of whether someone is scummy? And regarding brainbombs case; how come youre not wondering about that logic? He is using the argument that because flavius was trying to get recruited, he would also still be playing in his scum meta long after the recruit occured. Brainbomb claims that anyone that does not buy that argument (that someone plays a full game in his scummeta because he wants to be recruited) must be scum defending him.

Youre literally playing like brainbomb where you try to connect all the dots before you've seen a single piece of confirmed information.

This is not how you have been playing the last few games. This is not how I prefer you to play if you are actually town, because its just gonna lead to rediculous collusions that dont help anything. Im worried

If sweetandcool is mafia, BunnyGo and/or Jamie could easily be mafia with him.

Yeah, I havent zoomed in on S&C and Bunny whatsoever this game. Ive completely zoned them out tbh.

I was more focused on trying to deduce whether you were trying to railroad me as scum-bozo with your usual shenanigans of only partially fitting evidence that only the victim can adequately spot.

[bozotheclown]

Talking about even just skills alone

Town vecna doesnt produce a list of 5 players and claim all four scum are in it only to have his entire list or most of his list die and flip town.

Hes so much better than that at catching mafia.

BB, D&W, Food, HB, Bozo

My current guess is that group contains all 4 scum

This is not town vecna
Kill him

You and Bozo are making terrible arguments fmpov.
D&W & Food were universally scumread for varying reasons.
HB was acting off, but it turned out to be because he was overly confident that he was never getting killed because he was the Desperado.

Im still fine with my senses picking up weird shit happening to all those slots. Its not like im always amazingly accurate on D1.

Besides, if I was scum, that list would much more likely contain 2-3 scum. Im sure you can do some more homework to confirm thats how I nearly always make said lists, but its irrelevant right now because im not scum.

This from M88 D2:

This game just got made a lot easier by the newer players putting in a few killer posts that pretty much absolves them.

The irritation with certain players is palpable.

Balki Bartokomous
kingofthepirates
Rdrivera2005
Bonatogether
Bozotheclown
Spartaculous
BunnyGo
Jamiet99uk
damo666
Lord of Words
ghug
Vecna
The above group is probably all town, in no particular order

Leaving a very easy poe:
Hamilton Brian
Sweetandcool
worcej

Maybe im wrong about 1, which is likely either Rdrivera, Kotp or Bona if some weird bussing occured.

But for now, fuck whether any of these slots bussed or not, thats a crapshoot anyway. Reads reign supreme.

[brainbomb]

Your post came 1 hour and 30 minutes to end of day.

5 foo
4 Dip
2 Fla
2 kin

You stated you didnt want any wagons that would save food and yet you also listed dip and war; which was a swelling wagon also.

Youd also previously stated pirates was town; and you dont seem to have any problem with the pirates voters at the time who pushed one of your townreads.


Was your townread on pirates stronger than your townread of flavius?

[brainbomb]

foodoats (5) Flav, lfischl, Vecna, Chaqa, kotp
DiplomacyandWarfare (5) damo, bozo, Bunny, sweet, worcej
FlaviusAetius (2) Demon, brain
worcej (2) Jamie, Dip
kingofthepirates (2) Ham, Eden
Jamiet99uk (1) Balki
sweetandcool (1) food
damo666 (1) rdr

[Vecna]

Yeah Bozo, notice how literally the entire scumteam is in the substitute scumreads.

I noted 6 potentinal scumreads, which included the entire scumteam. Obviously I stated my preferred kills, so that I excuse to misskill some towns first.

Spectacular performance that game

Thats not at all whats happening here.

Feel free to keep tunneling though. Ill keep battling you with obstinance untill you either admit crying that youre scum yourself, or untill you see the light that im obviously town.

[bozotheclown]

Youre not certain about my alignment here at all. Its night and day from that game you actually caught me and were taunting me.

You know it and I know it.

Lets stop this charade of ego's pretty please.

Timing wise it seemed like right after I said flavius was scum you produced a scum list including me. Are you saying now that I got put on your list because I hard defended a scum buddy? If so: who?

I had two feelings that were fighting eachother at the time.

1: The feeling of people trying to stop the foodcoats wagon from going through

2: And the feeling of way too much weird energy/focus from people on my actual read of Foodcoats.

I did not really know at the time what was happening, obviously.

You mainly made it onto that list due to 1.
Bozo made it onto that list mainly due to 2.

Who are your top 4 scum suspects now?

[brainbomb]

I like the question by bozo. I eagerly await the answer

[Vecna]

Your post came 1 hour and 30 minutes to end of day.

5 foo
4 Dip
2 Fla
2 kin

You stated you didnt want any wagons that would save food and yet you also listed dip and war; which was a swelling wagon also.

Youd also previously stated pirates was town; and you dont seem to have any problem with the pirates voters at the time who pushed one of your townreads.


Was your townread on pirates stronger than your townread of flavius?

Please stop acting like I was supposed to be able to focus on everything and anything all at once on D1.

You had made weird posts fascinated with my accuracy.
Bozo was tunneling me.
D&W was weirdly inactive
Food had to die

That was my focus.

[Vecna]

Timing wise it seemed like right after I said flavius was scum you produced a scum list including me. Are you saying now that I got put on your list because I hard defended a scum buddy? If so: who?

I had two feelings that were fighting eachother at the time.

1: The feeling of people trying to stop the foodcoats wagon from going through

2: And the feeling of way too much weird energy/focus from people on my actual read of Foodcoats.

I did not really know at the time what was happening, obviously.

You mainly made it onto that list due to 1.
Bozo made it onto that list mainly due to 2.

Who are your top 4 scum suspects now?

I dont think I have a great answer for you

[brainbomb]

Your post came 1 hour and 30 minutes to end of day.

5 foo
4 Dip
2 Fla
2 kin

You stated you didnt want any wagons that would save food and yet you also listed dip and war; which was a swelling wagon also.

Youd also previously stated pirates was town; and you dont seem to have any problem with the pirates voters at the time who pushed one of your townreads.


Was your townread on pirates stronger than your townread of flavius?

Please stop acting like I was supposed to be able to focus on everything and anything all at once on D1.

You had made weird posts fascinated with my accuracy.
Bozo was tunneling me.
D&W was weirdly inactive
Food had to die

That was my focus.

Okay well you said you were scumreading anyone who was driving a wagon other than food.

And yet the main counter wagon to food features voters: damo, bozo, Bunny, sweet, worcej

And only bozo makes your scumlist- for pushing someone else you also claim was scum.

[bozotheclown]

Yeah Bozo, notice how literally the entire scumteam is in the substitute scumreads.

I noted 6 potentinal scumreads, which included the entire scumteam. Obviously I stated my preferred kills, so that I excuse to misskill some towns first.

Spectacular performance that game

Thats not at all whats happening here.

Feel free to keep tunneling though. Ill keep battling you with obstinance untill you either admit crying that youre scum yourself, or untill you see the light that im obviously town.

You still had your teammates listed in the "probably all town" group.

[Vecna]

I do think this is probably just a 3 way town dumpsterfire though.

Im annoyed with the two of you. I feel brainbomb is annoyed with the situation. Im not 100% yet on Bozo.

I dont generally feel annoyed when scum is trying to poke at me.

Maybe im wrong. But im no longer overly interested in this discussion.

[brainbomb]

For bozo to be on that list youd have to be lying

One page later

yes foodcoats!

organize a d1 chaqa speedwagon.

He said he didnt townread me, so ill support you.

itll be glorious

It looks like youre also calling for a chaqa wagon so you knew the vote count at this time

[bozotheclown]

Talking about even just skills alone

Town vecna doesnt produce a list of 5 players and claim all four scum are in it only to have his entire list or most of his list die and flip town.

Hes so much better than that at catching mafia.

BB, D&W, Food, HB, Bozo

My current guess is that group contains all 4 scum

This is not town vecna
Kill him

You and Bozo are making terrible arguments fmpov.
D&W & Food were universally scumread for varying reasons.
HB was acting off, but it turned out to be because he was overly confident that he was never getting killed because he was the Desperado.

Im still fine with my senses picking up weird shit happening to all those slots. Its not like im always amazingly accurate on D1.

Besides, if I was scum, that list would much more likely contain 2-3 scum. Im sure you can do some more homework to confirm thats how I nearly always make said lists, but its irrelevant right now because im not scum.

Why are you conceding that your list did not contain 2-3 mafia when the alignment of 2 of the players on your list has not been revealed yet?

[Vecna]

Yeah Bozo, notice how literally the entire scumteam is in the substitute scumreads.

I noted 6 potentinal scumreads, which included the entire scumteam. Obviously I stated my preferred kills, so that I excuse to misskill some towns first.

Spectacular performance that game

Thats not at all whats happening here.

Feel free to keep tunneling though. Ill keep battling you with obstinance untill you either admit crying that youre scum yourself, or untill you see the light that im obviously town.

You still had your teammates listed in the "probably all town" group.

Yet I made them all a credible vote in case bussing was needed.

You know im not bussing you this game
brainbomb knows im not bussing him this game

Regardless, youre harping on about the wrong type of thing, and I regret even saying it. The past is no guarantee for the future, and you know well enough that this situation is just as plausible from either alignment. Unless you also wanna claim that like brainbomb you think im incapable of being wrong as town on d1?

[brainbomb]

Foodcoats then takes your advice and votes chaqa
Then damo votes food
And you vanish

[bozotheclown]

Yeah Bozo, notice how literally the entire scumteam is in the substitute scumreads.

I noted 6 potentinal scumreads, which included the entire scumteam. Obviously I stated my preferred kills, so that I excuse to misskill some towns first.

Spectacular performance that game

Thats not at all whats happening here.

Feel free to keep tunneling though. Ill keep battling you with obstinance untill you either admit crying that youre scum yourself, or untill you see the light that im obviously town.

You still had your teammates listed in the "probably all town" group.

Yet I made them all a credible vote in case bussing was needed.

You know im not bussing you this game
brainbomb knows im not bussing him this game

Regardless, youre harping on about the wrong type of thing, and I regret even saying it. The past is no guarantee for the future, and you know well enough that this situation is just as plausible from either alignment. Unless you also wanna claim that like brainbomb you think im incapable of being wrong as town on d1?

When did you change your mind about Jamie during D1?

[Vecna]

Talking about even just skills alone

Town vecna doesnt produce a list of 5 players and claim all four scum are in it only to have his entire list or most of his list die and flip town.

Hes so much better than that at catching mafia.



This is not town vecna
Kill him

You and Bozo are making terrible arguments fmpov.
D&W & Food were universally scumread for varying reasons.
HB was acting off, but it turned out to be because he was overly confident that he was never getting killed because he was the Desperado.

Im still fine with my senses picking up weird shit happening to all those slots. Its not like im always amazingly accurate on D1.

Besides, if I was scum, that list would much more likely contain 2-3 scum. Im sure you can do some more homework to confirm thats how I nearly always make said lists, but its irrelevant right now because im not scum.

Why are you conceding that your list did not contain 2-3 mafia when the alignment of 2 of the players on your list has not been revealed yet?

Id give it a zero % chance that the two of you are attacking me like this as scum together.

I find it a rather big waste of my time to entertain every insignificant possibility.

[Vecna]

Foodcoats then takes your advice and votes chaqa
Then damo votes food
And you vanish

Yeah that was pretty funny.

I have a sad feeling I shouldve hopped onto that chance and stick to tradition of putting chaqa in the ground d1