M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[brainbomb]

In maf chat right now

Vecna: brain is demanding I clarify if BB meant balki or brain now; how do I answer this?

[Vecna]

Ill even just drop that whole line of theory.

Lets just not even focus on m89 and stick to his weird defenses of chaqa his weird shading on me, and the fact he took credit for the case on foodcoats who is now a dead town

You had me dead to rights 2 games ago.

Right now your shit is weak as fuck, and if u think youre gonna be able to kill me you better bring a gun. Ive been daykilled as town like once or twice in 30-50 games, so good luck.

Chaqa has not had any pressure yet, and if he does receive it I wont be defending anything.

Ive been having tons of weird attention from people because I had a scumread on Foodcoats. You made an enormous wallpost digging up my entire history on how accurate I was of foodcoats before it even was a serious wagon. Bozo has been attacking me over not instantly voting foodcoats after being suspicious of him about 10h after gamestart.

Its all a load of bollocks.

[brainbomb]

BB, D&W, Food, HB, Bozo

My current guess is that group contains all 4 scum


Which BB because usually all caps BB means balki. Were you scumreading me here or balki because it matters alot.

If its me then I charge I made your scum list directly because of the pressure I was putting on flavius

[sweetandcool]

Ill even just drop that whole line of theory.

Lets just not even focus on m89 and stick to his weird defenses of chaqa his weird shading on me, and the fact he took credit for the case on foodcoats who is now a dead town

You had me dead to rights 2 games ago.

Right now your shit is weak as fuck, and if u think youre gonna be able to kill me you better bring a gun. Ive been daykilled as town like once or twice in 30-50 games, so good luck.

Chaqa has not had any pressure yet, and if he does receive it I wont be defending anything.

Ive been having tons of weird attention from people because I had a scumread on Foodcoats. You made an enormous wallpost digging up my entire history on how accurate I was of foodcoats before it even was a serious wagon. Bozo has been attacking me over not instantly voting foodcoats after being suspicious of him about 10h after gamestart.

Its all a load of bollocks.

The challenge has been set. Let's get it done!

(Okay, I actually need to look and see for myself whether the theory that Vecna is scum is valid, but two players I trust are pushing that theory).

[Vecna]

Except we only have 2 phases of content so far and youre implying you remember flavius tonal shift after n4 when the recruitment cutoff occurred. That seems to be a stretch defense for you to push. Flavius didnt even ask if it was okay for him to be scumsided and admitted to having been doing it til n3

The recruitment had already occured N2. Which youre well aware of since you GM'd that game? Everyone in the game was aware of it, so no, I dont believe he was trying to play exactly like his scumgame that entire game just for an attempt at being recruited. The fact youre trying to make this exact argument sounds really weird to me.

The bevaviour continued exactly the same during D3, resulting in Flavius being misskilled because of it.

If you feel he's trying to fake that behaviour this game (as RHK is implying) id find your argument a lot more believeable. As it currently stands, flav is one of the last people id want to kill.

He didnt know if someone had been recruited. He sent me the message n3

Didnt you say earlier he sent that before the game started?

Either way, youre using some bloody messages sent to a GM as if its public knowledge that we all read up on and take in as canon.

The way youre making your arguments really needs a lot of work if this is coming from a town BB

[Vecna]

(i always refer to balki as balki)

[sweetandcool]

Vecna could be scum but he ain't scum with me.

Is this a scumclaim?

Can't be by definition lol

Somehow I didn't read it clearly. That's what I get for reading first thing in the morning.

[brainbomb]

Vecna,

The fact you are very good at reading Hamilton, and foodcoats was not crafted initially to work against you. In fact I used your reads to inform my own. I stated at the time I didnt like your reads. But I caved and began taking food off my town list as well. What seems odd to me is that your expertise was wrong on all counts. Not just one, not just two, but four of your scumreads are wrong.

And until or unless you can correct me and say BB meant Balki, im assuming I became a scumread of yours because I made your hard townread on flavius harder to defend and harder to dig for reasons why it was legit.

-

You were indeed dead to rights last time. And the posts you have are showing some semblence of wanting to fight back this time: hence your scumbuddy chaqa doesnt wanna burn the only nk you have on me. Meaning he told you tough shit and work your way out of it.

[brainbomb]

Youre alot better at this. And usually you catch me and when you do catch me youll continue to keep needling me on things - when im actually mafia.

And here youre not able to do that on anything. I havent been mean to someone, which is what youve caught me on before. I already said id drop the m89 stuff and focus on why I became a scumread of yours seemingly right after I cased flavius.

It does seem like I either pushed someone the whole scumteam wanted to white knight or flav is just scum and you guys all werent expecting anyone to actually catch him

[Vecna]

Vecna,

The fact you are very good at reading Hamilton, and foodcoats was not crafted initially to work against you. In fact I used your reads to inform my own. I stated at the time I didnt like your reads. But I caved and began taking food off my town list as well. What seems odd to me is that your expertise was wrong on all counts. Not just one, not just two, but four of your scumreads are wrong.

And until or unless you can correct me and say BB meant Balki, im assuming I became a scumread of yours because I made your hard townread on flavius harder to defend and harder to dig for reasons why it was legit.

-

You were indeed dead to rights last time. And the posts you have are showing some semblence of wanting to fight back this time: hence your scumbuddy chaqa doesnt wanna burn the only nk you have on me. Meaning he told you tough shit and work your way out of it.

I actually thought you were doing your semi-usual scumthing of hard-defending your teammates.

The timing on your Flav thingy just felt off, because I really wanted to get foodcoats and I didnt want any other wagon to overtake it, and no distractions from killing foodcoats.

This is also why I was annoyed at people starting the Worcej wagon and that other wagon that briefly popped up.

And say what you will, but the foodcoats-crafted post did feel iffy (to me, at the time). Like, why would you need a meta-investigation post, if you already seem to apply the metric to me that youre doing right now: that my accuracy is amazing.

Anyways, im not really interested in turning this into a big thing. The actual scum are no doubt licking their porkchops in delight.

[bozotheclown]

Heres all the points where you seem to miss a ton of nuance (the difference with your last few games where you just quitely observed the gamestate for a long time is very different this game).

Bunnygo being frustrated with Sweet: Very easy to come from any alignment. The sweet play is aggrevating. The thing about assuming it to come from town in that one post? Might actually have a minor point there, but even that is not that odd since im pretty sure a lot of people are towning sweet for his crap. He would also do it as scum obviously, because it would be a wonderfull cover, especially after last game he realized that if he is just ultra scummy all game he is more likely to live.

All the stuff surrounding Flavius: He is playing a near identical style to last game. How are you suddenly trying to claim that everyone that thinks he is town is "pocketing" him? How is that a fair assesment of whether someone is scummy? And regarding brainbombs case; how come youre not wondering about that logic? He is using the argument that because flavius was trying to get recruited, he would also still be playing in his scum meta long after the recruit occured. Brainbomb claims that anyone that does not buy that argument (that someone plays a full game in his scummeta because he wants to be recruited) must be scum defending him.

Youre literally playing like brainbomb where you try to connect all the dots before you've seen a single piece of confirmed information.

This is not how you have been playing the last few games. This is not how I prefer you to play if you are actually town, because its just gonna lead to rediculous collusions that dont help anything. Im worried

Town is about to lose this game, we don't have time to wait to identify one mafia before trying to figure out the rest.

How Flavius played in M89 is not relevant to me. I thought he was probably town D1 but I did not go out of my way to make sure he knew that. The point was that the 4 players I listed as my top scum suspects are probably not mafia with Flavius based on those posts.

[Vecna]

Youre alot better at this. And usually you catch me and when you do catch me youll continue to keep needling me on things - when im actually mafia.

And here youre not able to do that on anything. I havent been mean to someone, which is what youve caught me on before. I already said id drop the m89 stuff and focus on why I became a scumread of yours seemingly right after I cased flavius.

It does seem like I either pushed someone the whole scumteam wanted to white knight or flav is just scum and you guys all werent expecting anyone to actually catch him

Youre not certain about my alignment here at all. Its night and day from that game you actually caught me and were taunting me.

You know it and I know it.

Lets stop this charade of ego's pretty please.

[bozotheclown]

Vecna could be scum but he ain't scum with me.

if jamiet flips scum, you better realize this townclears me. no way he makes this post if we are teammates

Why not?

[Jamiet99uk]

Vecna could be scum but he ain't scum with me.

Is this a scumclaim?

How could it be?

[Vecna]

Vecna could be scum but he ain't scum with me.

if jamiet flips scum, you better realize this townclears me. no way he makes this post if we are teammates

Why not?

Because this is a textbook type of post that you make either as town, or as scum that has been wrongly tied to a suspicious person.

[brainbomb]

Vecna,

The fact you are very good at reading Hamilton, and foodcoats was not crafted initially to work against you. In fact I used your reads to inform my own. I stated at the time I didnt like your reads. But I caved and began taking food off my town list as well. What seems odd to me is that your expertise was wrong on all counts. Not just one, not just two, but four of your scumreads are wrong.

And until or unless you can correct me and say BB meant Balki, im assuming I became a scumread of yours because I made your hard townread on flavius harder to defend and harder to dig for reasons why it was legit.

-

You were indeed dead to rights last time. And the posts you have are showing some semblence of wanting to fight back this time: hence your scumbuddy chaqa doesnt wanna burn the only nk you have on me. Meaning he told you tough shit and work your way out of it.

I actually thought you were doing your semi-usual scumthing of hard-defending your teammates.

The timing on your Flav thingy just felt off, because I really wanted to get foodcoats and I didnt want any other wagon to overtake it, and no distractions from killing foodcoats.

This is also why I was annoyed at people starting the Worcej wagon and that other wagon that briefly popped up.

And say what you will, but the foodcoats-crafted post did feel iffy (to me, at the time). Like, why would you need a meta-investigation post, if you already seem to apply the metric to me that youre doing right now: that my accuracy is amazing.

Anyways, im not really interested in turning this into a big thing. The actual scum are no doubt licking their porkchops in delight.

That other wagon: rdrivera? Like the main counter wagon to food?
And flav was never that serious of a wagon nor was worcej.

[brainbomb]

Youre alot better at this. And usually you catch me and when you do catch me youll continue to keep needling me on things - when im actually mafia.

And here youre not able to do that on anything. I havent been mean to someone, which is what youve caught me on before. I already said id drop the m89 stuff and focus on why I became a scumread of yours seemingly right after I cased flavius.

It does seem like I either pushed someone the whole scumteam wanted to white knight or flav is just scum and you guys all werent expecting anyone to actually catch him

Youre not certain about my alignment here at all. Its night and day from that game you actually caught me and were taunting me.

You know it and I know it.

Lets stop this charade of ego's pretty please.

Timing wise it seemed like right after I said flavius was scum you produced a scum list including me. Are you saying now that I got put on your list because I hard defended a scum buddy? If so: who?

[Vecna]

Vecna,

The fact you are very good at reading Hamilton, and foodcoats was not crafted initially to work against you. In fact I used your reads to inform my own. I stated at the time I didnt like your reads. But I caved and began taking food off my town list as well. What seems odd to me is that your expertise was wrong on all counts. Not just one, not just two, but four of your scumreads are wrong.

And until or unless you can correct me and say BB meant Balki, im assuming I became a scumread of yours because I made your hard townread on flavius harder to defend and harder to dig for reasons why it was legit.

-

You were indeed dead to rights last time. And the posts you have are showing some semblence of wanting to fight back this time: hence your scumbuddy chaqa doesnt wanna burn the only nk you have on me. Meaning he told you tough shit and work your way out of it.

I actually thought you were doing your semi-usual scumthing of hard-defending your teammates.

The timing on your Flav thingy just felt off, because I really wanted to get foodcoats and I didnt want any other wagon to overtake it, and no distractions from killing foodcoats.

This is also why I was annoyed at people starting the Worcej wagon and that other wagon that briefly popped up.

And say what you will, but the foodcoats-crafted post did feel iffy (to me, at the time). Like, why would you need a meta-investigation post, if you already seem to apply the metric to me that youre doing right now: that my accuracy is amazing.

Anyways, im not really interested in turning this into a big thing. The actual scum are no doubt licking their porkchops in delight.

That other wagon: rdrivera? Like the main counter wagon to food?
And flav was never that serious of a wagon nor was worcej.

When speaking about stuff that wasnt all that serious, you should probably also realize that when im being bold statements that include a it might not be the type of statement im highly confident in that actually represents some well-thoughtout view I have of the game.

[bozotheclown]

-Jamiet actually did not really get angry even though there was plenty of reason for it to happen. I might have to revisit my initial gutsensation of his progression 1-2-3 not making sense.

This is both tired and inaccurate.

Sadly, I did lose my cool early in the game. Darg actually felt the need to PM me to ask if I was feeling ok. The fact you've already forgotten about that part of the game AND YET you are simultaneously using the whole "Jamie gets angry as town" trope, is annoying and suggests you are forgetting or ignoring things that don't fit your assumptions.

Was that before or after you contacted him about asking for a sub?

[Vecna]

Youre alot better at this. And usually you catch me and when you do catch me youll continue to keep needling me on things - when im actually mafia.

And here youre not able to do that on anything. I havent been mean to someone, which is what youve caught me on before. I already said id drop the m89 stuff and focus on why I became a scumread of yours seemingly right after I cased flavius.

It does seem like I either pushed someone the whole scumteam wanted to white knight or flav is just scum and you guys all werent expecting anyone to actually catch him

Youre not certain about my alignment here at all. Its night and day from that game you actually caught me and were taunting me.

You know it and I know it.

Lets stop this charade of ego's pretty please.

Timing wise it seemed like right after I said flavius was scum you produced a scum list including me. Are you saying now that I got put on your list because I hard defended a scum buddy? If so: who?

I had two feelings that were fighting eachother at the time.

1: The feeling of people trying to stop the foodcoats wagon from going through

2: And the feeling of way too much weird energy/focus from people on my actual read of Foodcoats.

I did not really know at the time what was happening, obviously.

You mainly made it onto that list due to 1.
Bozo made it onto that list mainly due to 2.