M 90: Shootout at the Pretty Good Corral

[FlaviusAetius]

I have some good feelings about both Eden and Bunny.

So perhaps, let's do this:

Desperado, shoot Dip.

##Vote KingOfThePirates primarily due to some feeble wishiness; looking like they're in the game but not really following along. What were those posts labeled as last game? Anchor posts? I think that's the extent of KOTP's efforts thus far.

Shit, have to walk to catch my train.

You just described the definition of a lurker, and the definition of a lurker describes like 5 people right now and is >not< the move for D1

[Vecna]

I've gone to the pub because I hoped the pub quiz would be on.

The pub quiz isn't on but I've just been bought a drink by a group of random people who appear to be celebrating the fact that one of them just got out of prison.

I may or may not still be here for EoD.

that sounds like fun.

dont make any mentions of dropping the soap

[foodcoats]

You guys are trying to put me face down in the dust so you can check out my assless chaps, is that it?

[FlaviusAetius]

##vote DiplomacyandWarfare

I didn't like his buddy attempt with Jamie and he's a wagon, so good choice.

Back to being the passed out drunk in the bar corner.

Man the >least< you could do is participate in the game its the REASON people are calling you mafia out right now you need to >do< stuff

[lfischl]

Sup y’all, going back to re-read the thread since last night, am currently in the car so on phone, and may or may not be on for EOD

[sweetandcool]

1.
Foodcoat said sweet is going to be claiming a role because he thinks its optimal play and he KNEW about this head of time. Instead of EXPLAINING to sweet why it would be wrong he chose to do it here. Fine whatever.

2.
He says we should NOT be voting for sweet...why? Because he legit claimed a town role how can we vote for someone like that when its so easy to verify?
YET
He then goes onto sweet; WHY? Never explained

3.
During the whole Jamie thing do you know what food did? He votes DAMO. To "diffuse the tensions" like? Jamie gets mad early game when people go on him for being mad, it always happens and the wagon ALWAYS dies. Do you know what that whole thing DOES tell us though? INFORMATION. foodcoats is trying to diffuse the tensions for no reason...

4.
And you know what else about that damo vote I just went back and look at this; he INITIALLY said that we should be going after lurkers D1, then flipped when I pressed on him again to say it was just one big joke.

He is flipflopping nad I dont like it not one bit I want explanations and now.
SWEET you should NOT go for foodcoats unless its SOON. Go for someone ELSE you think is mafia or better yet wait until D2.
IF you are Desperado that is, if you think the game is up and you are going to die N1 then start shooting man dont wait until EOD.

BUMP

Is a wrong case alignment indictive?

[FlaviusAetius]

I remember a worcej who was a >solver< an ACTIVE participant in the game idk >what< is going on with you this game but you gotta change

[DemonRHK]

You guys are trying to put me face down in the dust so you can check out my assless chaps, is that it?

I didn't know there would be cake.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Please SHOW me my SIGNATURE on ANY document where I AGREED I would NOT vote LURKERS >???<

Okay, okay. I concede. This one made me burst out laughing.

OK what I MEAN when I say we AGREED on something is that people disagreed with it...the conversation was HAD, we determined it was a >bad< idea and guess what? >No one< said anything negative about it, >presumably< if you are reading the htread you would had replied and disagreed with the sentiment instead of just >resurrecting it randomly<

Okay, well, I did not agree.

Let's each vote for the person we feel is most likely to be scum. No need to rule out or rule in any category of players that doesn't consider that criterion.

[foodcoats]

So, why is Dip&War a wagon?

[dargorygel]

##GM INFO

Johnny Ringo Continued

Life in Tombstone
Ringo first appeared in Cochise County, Arizona Territory in 1879 with Joseph Graves Olney (alias "Joe Hill"), a friend from the Mason County War. In December 1879, a drunk Ringo shot unarmed Louis Hancock in a Safford, Arizona saloon when Hancock refused a complimentary drink of whiskey, stating that he preferred beer. Hancock survived his wound. Soon after arriving in Tombstone, Arizona, he met editor Sam Purdy of The Tombstone Epitaph, who later writes of their talk: "He said that he was as certain of being killed as he was of living then. He said that he might run along for a couple years more, and may not last two days." In Tombstone, Ringo developed a reputation as having a bad temper. He may have participated in robberies and killings with the Cochise County Cowboys, a loosely associated group of outlaws. He was occasionally erroneously referred to as "Ringgold" by local newspapers.   He described himself as a "speculator" in the 1882 Cochise County Great Register.

Confrontation with Doc Holliday
On January 17, 1882, Ringo and Doc Holliday traded threats and seemed headed for a gunfight. Both men were arrested by Tombstone's chief of police, James Flynn, and hauled before a judge for carrying weapons in town. Both were fined. Judge William H. Stilwell followed up on charges outstanding against Ringo for a robbery in Galeyville and Ringo was re-arrested and jailed on January 20 for the weekend. Ringo was suspected by the Earps of taking part in the December 28, 1881, ambush of Virgil Earp, that crippled him for life, and the March 18, 1882, murder of Morgan Earp while he was shooting pool in a Tombstone saloon.

Joins posse pursuing Earps
Deputy U.S. Marshal Wyatt Earp and his posse killed Frank Stilwell in Tucson on March 20, 1882. After the shooting, the Earps and a federal posse set out on a vendetta to find and kill the others they held responsible for ambushing Virgil and Morgan. Cochise County Sheriff Johnny Behan received warrants from a Tucson judge for arrest of the Earps and Holliday. He deputized Ringo and 19 other men, many of them friends of Stilwell and the Cochise County Cowboys.

During the Earp Vendetta Ride, Wyatt Earp killed one of Ringo's closest friends, "Curly Bill" Brocius, in a gunfight at Iron Springs (later Mescal Springs) about 20 miles (32 km) from Tombstone. Earp told his biographer, Stuart Lake, that a man named Florentino Cruz confessed to being the lookout at Morgan's murder and identified Ringo, Stilwell, Swilling, and Brocius as Morgan's killers,[12] The local posse pursued and came close to the federal posse at Henry C. Hooker's ranch, but never faced the Earp lawmen. Former Pima County Sheriff Bob Paul, who had been in Tombstone at the time and volunteered to ride with the Behan posse, wrote a letter to the Tucson Citizen on March 3, 1898 in response to an earlier story he said was full of errors. He said the Earp posse had told Hooker to tell Behan and his posse where they were camped. Hooker told Behan where the Earps were camped but the posse left in the opposite direction.

Death
During Tombstone's Fourth of July festivities, Ringo drank heavily. He left town two days later, taking several bottles of liquor for the ride. Deputy Billy Breakenridge saw him two days later near Dial's Ranch in the South Pass of the Dragoon Mountains. He later wrote that "Ringo was very drunk, reeling in the saddle." He encouraged Ringo to follow him back to the Goodrich Ranch, but "he was drunk and stubborn and went on his way. I think this was the last time he was seen alive." At about 3pm on July 13, ranch hands at a nearby ranch heard a shot.

Vote Count

foodoats (5) Flav, lfischl, Vecna, Chaqa, kotp
DiplomacyandWarfare (5) damo, bozo, Bunny, sweet, worcej
FlaviusAetius (2) Demon, brain
worcej (2) Jamie, Dip
kingofthepirates (2) Ham, Eden
Jamiet99uk (1) Balki
sweetandcool (1) food
damo666 (1) rdr

Because of the tie caused by President Eden's move FROM dip, if day ended NOW, eden would die.

Less than an hour and a half left in this day.

[President Eden]

I FEAR NO EVIL!

[rdrivera2005]

Diplomacy: Gives the impression of reading the thread. Weighs in on the drama by deciding Jamiet is right, the pushback against Jamiet for voting sweetandcool indicates that worcej and sweetandcool are scum. His reads don't evolve after that except randomly voting brainbomb briefly. Is consistently flashing worcej right now.

Diplomacy is scum. He seems to have learned the wrong lesson from last game and decided lurking is his best play.

Dip, on the extremely off chance you are Town, please don't be scared off by last game. You were doing the right thing by attempting to solve, you were just wrongly persecuted. It takes practice to solve better, and you won't get practice if all you do is lurk.

But yeah: DIPLOMACY IS SCUM
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Rdr: On one hand, I would expect him to scumread me, and so his defense of me is pretty suspicious. On the other hand, I like all of his takes so far. He hasn't really made a vote that feels real, but that's not all that unreasonable given it is D1.

Rdr is scumlean, maybe just actually scum.
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lfisch: Scum I guess? Started being buddy buddy with me since I unveiled myself as Desperado. Before that, no real content. Other than buddying, latched onto Flav's meh case on Food and sheeped it.
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Worcej: Town. His scumread of Jamiet felt authentic. Maybe he calls out his teammate Dip, but less likely.

Worcej is probably Town.
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RHK: Null. I want to town him for vibes reasons.
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Bozo IS TOWN and it would be insane to think otherwise.
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I really want to scumread Balki. His reaction to my Sheriff claim as hurting Town was obviously false. Balki is way too intelligent to erroneously make that statement, but I could very well see Town Balki saying that as a way to push his own meta of what he thinks is correct Townplay. That is authentically Balki.

Otherwise, he really hasn't left an impression.

Balki is Null.
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Food has been confusing to me, because he claims that I am obviously fake claiming, and it's NAI because I talked about how fake claims were not bad before this game.

But then he decides I am being anti-town and .just be voted. Which reads more of a policy vote rather than a sincere vote.

Still, on the whole he seems more Town. The natural interpretation to his response to my highly believable Desperado claim is that he believes it, rather than he was backing off to avoid being shot.

I think people pushing that narrative are actually pretty suspicious for it.

Food is Townlean. (If he happens to be Mafia then the people pushing that narrative look pretty good)
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I think damo is Town based on vibes, but I don't feel convicted necessarily.

Damo is Townlean.
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Running out of time, so in summary Chaqa is kind of Null maybe Townish. I highly appreciate their energy.

Chaqa is Townish.
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Urgh, I'm going to post now. Still have the top four posters to look at. But of them I am already reasonably sure Jamiet is Town.

Why you expect me to scumread you? Because of your fakeclaim? I don't like fakeclaims but bad play isn't scumplay, in fact scum are usually more conscious about how they will be seen.

[damo666]

I'm switching back to food

a) to break tie
b) he's still voting sweet and Dip isn't

[brainbomb]

Hey vecna
Not sure if this matters but last game flavius said he was scumsiding in hopes of getting recruited.

His play he asked permission if it was legal to play that way to help scum

So if you think hes the same as last game… you might wanna.. be aware of that

[dargorygel]

@GM

If desperado is off top two wagons which are n+1 n and shoots town from the top wagon and there are no more votes who caused the tie. Is it dead desperado and therefore no modkill or what?

Good question. Bona has been writing up some examples of this, and some thoughts.. which he MIGHT post, although he is afraid of being voted for.

In short, a shooter will NOT be penalized for causing a tie. Only voters.

a) an ALMOST tie is on the board (difference of 1 vote)
b) a bullet kills the one-vote-leader
c) causing a resulting tie
d) BUT since it is the bullet that causes it, instead of a voter, there is no penalty

To be clear... the only penalty for tie are those caused by voters... not by desperado, lawmen, gunmen, or Moderator Killing for other reasons. So only voters are potentially at risk.

[damo666]

I doubt top 2 is SvS and of the other wagons I think they are all town with the possible exception of kotp

[brainbomb]

FlaviusAetius wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2024 6:11 pm
brainbomb wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2024 2:01 pm
mafia.peterlund.se

My strategy is to get the tadpole this game, does that mean Im "not trying to win"(as town) and therefore against the rules? LMK

[Chaqa]

Independent of wagonometrics I think the pool I would shoot from is foodcoats, KOTP, fishy, D&W, worcej, rdr. That’s not in any specific order either

Add in DemonRHK and remove Lfischl and I agree.

[Chaqa]

I’ve probably gotten all the information I can from voting Sweet. The redacted sections of my notes were about how I pretty strongly Towned him but wanted to see who might jump on the wagon.

##vote food

I feel pretty confident as far as day 1 goes that Food is scum. I don’t want this wagon to fall apart at EOD. I’m a bit hesitant to join it now as usually when someone gets a big lead it falls apart, but I plan to stick with this one.

If he flips scum I think Eden looks good as his teammate

What more information were you waiting for?

Basically I was suspicious of anyone who was voting for Sweet, though I think Sweet's behavior as the day has gone on is raising more valid reasons to suspect him so it may be a wash.