M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Ezio]

Therefore locktown:

Me, Bunny, Monarch, Aaro, Will.

Scum: (choose 3)
Worcej, Eden, Bona, Food.

[Ezio]

##vote bunnygo

food, if you're town, you should join

Change of plans Bona. Monarch being Necro answered the question of how on Earth did town PR not claim earlier.

That's the only reason Food was still alive. We'd have flipped him ages ago.

[Ezio]

Aight Bunny+Aaro you guys ready to sheep Sweet and win the game?

[Ezio]

@the MadMonarch I realize you're currently voting Bunny Go. It makes sense considering Bunny is hard claiming you're scum.

Bunny has a good reason for this: A priori we said the Necro was scum for failing to claim their role.

Knowing that it's you makes that less relevant, but you *have* to claim in the future holy shit.

It means we weren't nearly as off base as we previously thought as a town. We had wagons on so many of these scum players early, and we just got brutally misled by the lack of information.
Specifically the lack of information that *you* forced by failing to claim.

Either way:
We've gotta flip food here. You and Bunny are the town PR's here. Food is not.

[Ezio]

God. I can't believe how close we were. If we flip food D4 (which I'm confident happens if I'm not pulled of his scent by his PR'ness), we get this game solved eons ago.

We'd have just started churning through the Flav wagon until kingdom come.

[Ezio]

Different area man speaks into the void.

[Ezio]

Oh my God Monarch is literally asleep.
So.......................................
Huh. Well, if Monarch was not lying, there are only 3 scum and 6 town remaining, so if the 5 other townies vote Food we still win even if 3 scum vote Bunny with Monarch.

But it does have to be *all* other town. That's exciting.

[Ezio]

But this entire game fits together *so* much more nicely in this context.
We had created a towncore with entirely false/incomplete information and assumptions.

[BunnyGo]

My power tells me alignment.

Monarch is scum.

Stop fucking around you dipshits.

And as Eden pointed out: since monarch claims ghug is scum (she’s lying but whatever) then you ONLY have a miskill left in the case she’s telling the truth.


In the case she’s lying (which she is) you have no miskills left.

So killing monarch guarantees the game continues.

But most importantly because she’s scum.

[Bonatogether]

My power tells me alignment.

Monarch is scum.

Stop fucking around you dipshits.

And as Eden pointed out: since monarch claims ghug is scum (she’s lying but whatever) then you ONLY have a miskill left in the case she’s telling the truth.


In the case she’s lying (which she is) you have no miskills left.

So killing monarch guarantees the game continues.

But most importantly because she’s scum.

keeping the game going is persuasive. i'm ok with losing town macca if it confirms ghug is scum, and killing scum!macca, which i think is less likely, is a W anyways

[Ezio]

My power tells me alignment.

Monarch is scum.

Stop fucking around you dipshits.

And as Eden pointed out: since monarch claims ghug is scum (she’s lying but whatever) then you ONLY have a miskill left in the case she’s telling the truth.


In the case she’s lying (which she is) you have no miskills left.

So killing monarch guarantees the game continues.

But most importantly because she’s scum.

That's so disappointing. It means my worldview that requires both you and Monarch to be town cannot be true.
What other scans have you made Bunny?

[Ezio]

My power tells me alignment.

Monarch is scum.

Stop fucking around you dipshits.

And as Eden pointed out: since monarch claims ghug is scum (she’s lying but whatever) then you ONLY have a miskill left in the case she’s telling the truth.


In the case she’s lying (which she is) you have no miskills left.

So killing monarch guarantees the game continues.

But most importantly because she’s scum.

keeping the game going is persuasive. i'm ok with losing town macca if it confirms ghug is scum, and killing scum!macca, which i think is less likely, is a W anyways

##vote Monarch again.
And if Monarch flips town, we obviously kill Bunny the next day.

[aarodactyl]

I just read up on this. So the situation is as follows:

PR Claims:

• Food - Knowledge
• Monarch - Necro
• Bunny - Some PR

Additionally Monarch crumbed that they were necro and that Ghug was a goon.

If Monarch is town, we can afford a miskill here, and if they're scum, we can't. As a result, I think Monarch has to be the right vote here (because I'm pretty risk adverse).

There is a small chance that Bunny is scum and noticed Monarch's crumb and is using it to force a last kill. However, he was very quick at pointing to the crumb he said earlier in the game as being the worcej grave meme post so I think this possibility is very unlikely.

I would really like to hear what Bunny's PR is at this point. I'm pretty sure everyone has claimed VT/PR at this point. Depending on his answer, I think there are interesting implications on Food's alignment. Essentially if Bunny has hard evidence (rather than being the PR cop).

My reasoning would as follows (this all assumes there is no town PR hiding in the VT claims - that seems incredibly unlikely):
-If Monarch is town, then bunny would be scum and we know there are 2 town PRs left due to Eden's point about ghug/flum being the tadpole. This ends up being Food.
-If Monarch is scum, at least one of Bunny/Food has to be town due to them being the remaining town PR pool. As I was typing this up, I thought there was some conclusion to be had here, but to be honest, I don't think it says much about food at all.

[Bonatogether]

##vote macca

[Ezio]

My power tells me alignment.

Monarch is scum.

Stop fucking around you dipshits.

And as Eden pointed out: since monarch claims ghug is scum (she’s lying but whatever) then you ONLY have a miskill left in the case she’s telling the truth.


In the case she’s lying (which she is) you have no miskills left.

So killing monarch guarantees the game continues.

But most importantly because she’s scum.

Also I do wanna defend my "fucking around" as you described. In a world where you learn role, not alignment, it makes perfect sense.
I saw you respond to Eden with a "good job" or whatever when he said you could see roles and inferred Monarch's alignment from there.

[aarodactyl]

My power tells me alignment.

Monarch is scum.

Stop fucking around you dipshits.

And as Eden pointed out: since monarch claims ghug is scum (she’s lying but whatever) then you ONLY have a miskill left in the case she’s telling the truth.


In the case she’s lying (which she is) you have no miskills left.

So killing monarch guarantees the game continues.

But most importantly because she’s scum.

Looks like I crossposted with this. Voting anyone other than monarch would be so anti-town today. If she's town, we just vote out Bunny and that would hard-clear food.

[aarodactyl]

My power tells me alignment.

Monarch is scum.

Stop fucking around you dipshits.

And as Eden pointed out: since monarch claims ghug is scum (she’s lying but whatever) then you ONLY have a miskill left in the case she’s telling the truth.


In the case she’s lying (which she is) you have no miskills left.

So killing monarch guarantees the game continues.

But most importantly because she’s scum.

Also I do wanna defend my "fucking around" as you described. In a world where you learn role, not alignment, it makes perfect sense.
I saw you respond to Eden with a "good job" or whatever when he said you could see roles and inferred Monarch's alignment from there.

Bunny also purposely didn't claim last night even though everyone had claimed VT/PR by the time of his last post. It's essentially just asking for speculation (and I think he explicitly asked for that too), and it's annoying for him to get upset at the results of that.

[President Eden]

I know mafia players are notoriously risk-averse, but I think there’s real upside to the maximalist pro-Monarch position that’s a little undervalued right now. It looks really stupid to kill Bunny here and lose if he’s town, but by far the highest upside play, if we trust Monarch enough, is to just kill Bunny and if he flips scum, we confirm we still have a miskill remaining.

I don’t know if I trust Monarch enough for that though.

Ultimately I don’t think I can reasonably argue that killing Monarch and ensuring we survive another day is bad. So if that’s what we’re doing then I’m in for it.

I really think you need to come clean with everything though Bunny. I know there’s upside to keeping your info secret til EON if you’re town, but your case isn’t persuasive enough to me to play to that upside,.

[President Eden]

My power tells me alignment.

Monarch is scum.

Stop fucking around you dipshits.

And as Eden pointed out: since monarch claims ghug is scum (she’s lying but whatever) then you ONLY have a miskill left in the case she’s telling the truth.


In the case she’s lying (which she is) you have no miskills left.

So killing monarch guarantees the game continues.

But most importantly because she’s scum.

Looks like I crossposted with this. Voting anyone other than monarch would be so anti-town today. If she’s town, we just vote out Bunny and that would hard-clear food.

Not necessarily—if we think we believe Monarch then there’s good reason to just stake the game on that and go for Bunny. It’s obviously high risk, but the upside of saving a miskill is pretty enormous, IF we’re right.

[aarodactyl]

My power tells me alignment.

Monarch is scum.

Stop fucking around you dipshits.

And as Eden pointed out: since monarch claims ghug is scum (she’s lying but whatever) then you ONLY have a miskill left in the case she’s telling the truth.


In the case she’s lying (which she is) you have no miskills left.

So killing monarch guarantees the game continues.

But most importantly because she’s scum.

Looks like I crossposted with this. Voting anyone other than monarch would be so anti-town today. If she’s town, we just vote out Bunny and that would hard-clear food.

Not necessarily—if we think we believe Monarch then there’s good reason to just stake the game on that and go for Bunny. It’s obviously high risk, but the upside of saving a miskill is pretty enormous, IF we’re right.

Oh wait. I just realized something big.

@bunny: do you have a scan on Food? If you're an alignment cop, there's no way you haven't scanned him.