M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

This isn't convincing. Your play has sucked this game if you're town and we're not "ignoring the game" or "making policy kills" to day kill you here.

Keep putting together arguments for why your scum team is scum.

Keep pushing on Eden/Bunny/will and whomever your final scum is.

If you're town, your arguments today might be the difference in MYLO. Calling us *all* bad for scum reading you is terrible.

Several players have seen me "meltdown" like this and every time I have been Town.

They should know better. But then again it seems several of those players are actually Mafia so of course they are not going to make the correct read.

I don't have time to keep pushing my cases on my scumreads.

I literally stayed up late building my case on why I was Town and why certain players were Town and why Eden was Mafia. I worked hard all day yesterday on it too and convincing Town.

And barely anyone responded directly to my actual case, and the few that did were incredibly dismissive.

Just look at Bunny's response (who was in my PoE): there was none! Instead he pushed the narrative that I was scum or stupid since I wasn't counting PRs. He has completely ignored the issue at all.

Bunny, worcej, President Eden, maybe Bunny have all seen this before.

I’ve never seen you play town this badly. You’re on a massive win streak. You played cop with an iron will; beyond what I thought was correct, but brilliantly and solved well.

This is not like any town!sweet game I recall.

[President Eden]

sure

##vote justaguynamedwill

your move

[worcej]

Shameful to see Town burying their heads in the sand.

This isn't convincing. Your play has sucked this game if you're town and we're not "ignoring the game" or "making policy kills" to day kill you here.

Keep putting together arguments for why your scum team is scum.

Keep pushing on Eden/Bunny/will and whomever your final scum is.

If you're town, your arguments today might be the difference in MYLO. Calling us *all* bad for scum reading you is terrible.

Several players have seen me "meltdown" like this and every time I have been Town.

They should know better. But then again it seems several of those players are actually Mafia so of course they are not going to make the correct read.

I don't have time to keep pushing my cases on my scumreads.

I literally stayed up late building my case on why I was Town and why certain players were Town and why Eden was Mafia. I worked hard all day yesterday on it too and convincing Town.

And barely anyone responded directly to my actual case, and the few that did were incredibly dismissive.

Just look at Bunny's response (who was in my PoE): there was none! Instead he pushed the narrative that I was scum or stupid since I wasn't counting PRs. He has completely ignored the issue at all.

Emotional tugs are dependent on the audience. I'm cold AF and just ignore them, if that's what you consider me being dismissive of.

If it's not that, then how am I supposed to be engaging with you if I fundamentally think your actions are scum driven and I don't see any view that it was for town benefit to them? They are all entirely selfish.

[Col7by]

Starting to feel really good about the will vote because people I think are scumish are setting themselves up for if he flips scum to blame me for being a scum and start bussing

[sweetandcool]

Read nothing but Mad’s mad ISO since midnight last night.


I think you and Ezio are right about the team:

Sweet-Mad-Colby-just(?)

What a convenient line up of scumreads.

Everybody's least favorite players currently.

Sweet the fake claimer.
Mad the lurker.
Will the lurker and the member.
Colby the sweet defender.

Very tidy group.

What did you make of mad’s posts today?

I don't know why she trusts you, but her breakdown of the possibilities seems accurate. Just incorrectly not getting that the answer is 'C'

[President Eden]

If not sweet who do you prefer cause I’m willing but need to align

Probably worcej, but I doubt we have the numbers, and I’m not even highly confident that he’s the best non-sweet shot anyway.

The brief argument for worc:
• Fox wanted it and has basically been the only consistent bright spot for town since I joined

• worc is historically insanely paranoid of me. I don’t remember the exact game now (I thought it was M80, but the public record of that game isn’t helpful; I think it was in the Discord server for that game) but there was a game not that long ago where I was outed town PR and worc, as another town PR, seriously weighed fakeclaiming guilty scan on me because he didn’t believe me. I think he had the ability to commute me and save me from a kill but intentionally didn’t do it because it allowed me to be nightkilled and flipped to resolve my alignment. (This part might be misremembered in fairness)
Point being dude is never comfortable with me being town while I’m alive lol. And I don’t fault him for that. Rather I “fault” that he seems not to have strong views on me or any concern about my alignment… that suggests to me he has the answers

Your memory isn't too far off - I was overly paranoid of you in that PR game and it wasn't one of my best games because of my hyper tunneling on you. Since those games (I think they were in the M60's, but don't quote me on that), I've tried to work on not tunneling as a player - I don't want to death tunnel and try to keep my eyes open and entertain other reasoning.

In terms of me being paranoid now, I'm just not because you've been over-shadowed by other's actions to me. You're not playing the same as you used to and I don't feel like you're engaged with the game like you used to be. I always cringed at your logic and reasoning but you're not really doing that this game.

Perhaps my weakness this game is focusing too much on the low participants (yoyo, Dousing, and Monarch) while voting mostly to protect my townreads. I've felt like I've had to not vote my town reads more than actually vote people I think are scum.

this still doesn’t stake a real position on me

however I like some of your other posts here

shrug

[BunnyGo]

What a convenient line up of scumreads.

Everybody's least favorite players currently.

Sweet the fake claimer.
Mad the lurker.
Will the lurker and the member.
Colby the sweet defender.

Very tidy group.

What did you make of mad’s posts today?

I don't know why she trusts you, but her breakdown of the possibilities seems accurate. Just incorrectly not getting that the answer is 'C'

Imagine you’re wrong and I’m as town as I claim.

Now why’s she posting that?

[sweetandcool]

This isn't convincing. Your play has sucked this game if you're town and we're not "ignoring the game" or "making policy kills" to day kill you here.

Keep putting together arguments for why your scum team is scum.

Keep pushing on Eden/Bunny/will and whomever your final scum is.

If you're town, your arguments today might be the difference in MYLO. Calling us *all* bad for scum reading you is terrible.

Several players have seen me "meltdown" like this and every time I have been Town.

They should know better. But then again it seems several of those players are actually Mafia so of course they are not going to make the correct read.

I don't have time to keep pushing my cases on my scumreads.

I literally stayed up late building my case on why I was Town and why certain players were Town and why Eden was Mafia. I worked hard all day yesterday on it too and convincing Town.

And barely anyone responded directly to my actual case, and the few that did were incredibly dismissive.

Just look at Bunny's response (who was in my PoE): there was none! Instead he pushed the narrative that I was scum or stupid since I wasn't counting PRs. He has completely ignored the issue at all.

Emotional tugs are dependent on the audience. I'm cold AF and just ignore them, if that's what you consider me being dismissive of.

If it's not that, then how am I supposed to be engaging with you if I fundamentally think your actions are scum driven and I don't see any view that it was for town benefit to them? They are all entirely selfish.

I've always viewed it as stubborn AF.

I don't know why I keep getting into these endgames with you and Jamiet, but you are both frequently stubbornly wrong and it is extremely stressful for me to keep having to fruitlessly try to convince you.

[President Eden]

Bona get over here

[worcej]

Probably worcej, but I doubt we have the numbers, and I’m not even highly confident that he’s the best non-sweet shot anyway.

The brief argument for worc:
• Fox wanted it and has basically been the only consistent bright spot for town since I joined

• worc is historically insanely paranoid of me. I don’t remember the exact game now (I thought it was M80, but the public record of that game isn’t helpful; I think it was in the Discord server for that game) but there was a game not that long ago where I was outed town PR and worc, as another town PR, seriously weighed fakeclaiming guilty scan on me because he didn’t believe me. I think he had the ability to commute me and save me from a kill but intentionally didn’t do it because it allowed me to be nightkilled and flipped to resolve my alignment. (This part might be misremembered in fairness)
Point being dude is never comfortable with me being town while I’m alive lol. And I don’t fault him for that. Rather I “fault” that he seems not to have strong views on me or any concern about my alignment… that suggests to me he has the answers

Your memory isn't too far off - I was overly paranoid of you in that PR game and it wasn't one of my best games because of my hyper tunneling on you. Since those games (I think they were in the M60's, but don't quote me on that), I've tried to work on not tunneling as a player - I don't want to death tunnel and try to keep my eyes open and entertain other reasoning.

In terms of me being paranoid now, I'm just not because you've been over-shadowed by other's actions to me. You're not playing the same as you used to and I don't feel like you're engaged with the game like you used to be. I always cringed at your logic and reasoning but you're not really doing that this game.

Perhaps my weakness this game is focusing too much on the low participants (yoyo, Dousing, and Monarch) while voting mostly to protect my townreads. I've felt like I've had to not vote my town reads more than actually vote people I think are scum.

this still doesn’t stake a real position on me

however I like some of your other posts here

shrug

Because I don't have a position to stake you into at this point and time. I'm defaulting you into town because I haven't see you doing anything scummy outside of the move off sweet just now.

[sweetandcool]

What did you make of mad’s posts today?

I don't know why she trusts you, but her breakdown of the possibilities seems accurate. Just incorrectly not getting that the answer is 'C'

Imagine you’re wrong and I’m as town as I claim.

Now why’s she posting that?

Because she is correctly reading you and consequently trusts you and intends to sheep you because she is not keeping on top of the game?

Look, why have you been purposely lying this phase? I don't understand. Sometimes miscommunication happens, but you've done it repeatedly.

Before the day started you were in my PoE, then you've lied and pushed for killing low performance players because they are low performance not because you have any sort of case or narrative fitting them together as a team.

[BunnyGo]

I don't know why she trusts you, but her breakdown of the possibilities seems accurate. Just incorrectly not getting that the answer is 'C'

Imagine you’re wrong and I’m as town as I claim.

Now why’s she posting that?

Because she is correctly reading you and consequently trusts you and intends to sheep you because she is not keeping on top of the game?

Look, why have you been purposely lying this phase? I don't understand. Sometimes miscommunication happens, but you've done it repeatedly.

Before the day started you were in my PoE, then you've lied and pushed for killing low performance players because they are low performance not because you have any sort of case or narrative fitting them together as a team.

She’s trying to play with my ego and get me to stop voting and pushing her!! She’s buddying me VERY blatantly.

There’s NO GOOD reason for her to trust me that much except buddying.

So I’m correct. She’s scum.

[worcej]

Several players have seen me "meltdown" like this and every time I have been Town.

They should know better. But then again it seems several of those players are actually Mafia so of course they are not going to make the correct read.

I don't have time to keep pushing my cases on my scumreads.

I literally stayed up late building my case on why I was Town and why certain players were Town and why Eden was Mafia. I worked hard all day yesterday on it too and convincing Town.

And barely anyone responded directly to my actual case, and the few that did were incredibly dismissive.

Just look at Bunny's response (who was in my PoE): there was none! Instead he pushed the narrative that I was scum or stupid since I wasn't counting PRs. He has completely ignored the issue at all.

Emotional tugs are dependent on the audience. I'm cold AF and just ignore them, if that's what you consider me being dismissive of.

If it's not that, then how am I supposed to be engaging with you if I fundamentally think your actions are scum driven and I don't see any view that it was for town benefit to them? They are all entirely selfish.

I've always viewed it as stubborn AF.

I don't know why I keep getting into these endgames with you and Jamiet, but you are both frequently stubbornly wrong and it is extremely stressful for me to keep having to fruitlessly try to convince you.

You only consider me stubborn because of you're inability to convince me at late-game moments. The actions and style you played in here alludes to scum motivation. Your actions speak far more loudly than your words.

[President Eden]

townies

rally to Will

it is time

[BunnyGo]

Imagine you’re wrong and I’m as town as I claim.

Now why’s she posting that?

Because she is correctly reading you and consequently trusts you and intends to sheep you because she is not keeping on top of the game?

Look, why have you been purposely lying this phase? I don't understand. Sometimes miscommunication happens, but you've done it repeatedly.

Before the day started you were in my PoE, then you've lied and pushed for killing low performance players because they are low performance not because you have any sort of case or narrative fitting them together as a team.

She’s trying to play with my ego and get me to stop voting and pushing her!! She’s buddying me VERY blatantly.

There’s NO GOOD reason for her to trust me that much except buddying.

So I’m correct. She’s scum.

It’s backfired badly because she’s gone in front of you in my desire to vote. Even with your VERY erratic play today. Hers is much more obvious and weird.

##vote themad

[BunnyGo]

townies

rally to Will

it is time

Nah. It’s time to overthrow the monarch. Join me.

[worcej]

Bona get over here

If Bona moves to Will, it just leave Will's vote to kill sweet at 6-5.

This feels weird for you to be pushing for here.

[Ezio]

townies

rally to Will

it is time

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
ok
##vote Will

[sweetandcool]

Emotional tugs are dependent on the audience. I'm cold AF and just ignore them, if that's what you consider me being dismissive of.

If it's not that, then how am I supposed to be engaging with you if I fundamentally think your actions are scum driven and I don't see any view that it was for town benefit to them? They are all entirely selfish.

I've always viewed it as stubborn AF.

I don't know why I keep getting into these endgames with you and Jamiet, but you are both frequently stubbornly wrong and it is extremely stressful for me to keep having to fruitlessly try to convince you.

You only consider me stubborn because of you're inability to convince me at late-game moments. The actions and style you played in here alludes to scum motivation. Your actions speak far more loudly than your words.

Why would scum sweetandcool push Eden of all people here? Someone up to that point he had claimed was mechanically Town? Someone notorious for being hard to DK?

You could choose the believe it's precisely so that I could make this very argument, but then it indicates I am playing clever when previously I have shown no signs of cleverness just generally bad play.

You can't have your cake and eat it here, but instead you choose to try by failing to use common sense.

[BunnyGo]

This is sus af

##vote sweet. Get back here or on to Mad