M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

has there been a pr announcement about freezing votes or anything or can i just place a vote now

If there’s a vote freeze and sweet is town, they could have got their miskill already

[Col7by]

Fine.

I don’t want a sweet wagon collapse. But if it’s coming. ##vote themad. Good alternative.

If I’m voting a lurker player why not will who in the past is known for being helpful?

Because Just is useful town and contributing and TheMad is scummy af. Look at what she posted today alone. Nothing useful, then tries to announce she trusts me so much she’d even vote for herself.

Can you site useful stuff he’s done? I’m on my phone so can’t look back to see

[BunnyGo]

Keep at it long enough and you might learn how to do it better. I will argue: it always sucks for exactly this reason. As a meta: I've grown accustomed to this play being done by scum to survive "one more day". If enough town players do shit like this consistently, it will start working for scum too.
I think that meta will not go well for town, so I'd encourage you to avoid doing it.

Ezio says it well and I'll just reinforce that the timing of your claims scream to me that you're focused on ensuring you live. The logical thing I can point to is you're the scum PR that could cause the game to end with the vote mechanics so you're a great use of our last miskill.

Add in Colby's posts and I think this is even more true...

The tilting part is it's not inherently anti-town to try to survive lol. Town doesn't want to be miskilled either.

Hearing what you've said about Sweet getting D1'd a lot makes me feel even more unsure about this. I didn't know how bad his meta was.

Has he ever made it to lategame as scum before?

No. He’s usually D1’d

[worcej]

Keep at it long enough and you might learn how to do it better. I will argue: it always sucks for exactly this reason. As a meta: I've grown accustomed to this play being done by scum to survive "one more day". If enough town players do shit like this consistently, it will start working for scum too.
I think that meta will not go well for town, so I'd encourage you to avoid doing it.

Ezio says it well and I'll just reinforce that the timing of your claims scream to me that you're focused on ensuring you live. The logical thing I can point to is you're the scum PR that could cause the game to end with the vote mechanics so you're a great use of our last miskill.

Add in Colby's posts and I think this is even more true...

The tilting part is it's not inherently anti-town to try to survive lol. Town doesn't want to be miskilled either.

Hearing what you've said about Sweet getting D1'd a lot makes me feel even more unsure about this. I didn't know how bad his meta was.

Has he ever made it to lategame as scum before?

Uhhh... unsure off the top of my head, would need to dig on the bot/BB record sheet

[Ezio]

If I’m voting a lurker player why not will who in the past is known for being helpful?

I really *hate* how Bunny is playing this phase. It feels just awful. So so so so so so so awful. "I don't want this wagon to collapse but rather than being on the wagon to reinforce it, I'll vote somewhere else that's very plausible".
Eden having misgivings about Sweet is giving me misgivings.

I agree. Not my best play.

But the scum team is Sweet-TheMad-??-?? And based on reactions today I’m guessing one of those is Col7by and the other is either Just or aaro outside chance of food.

Dude I need to get my tinfoil hat. I can feel the brainwaves hitting me telling me that Food is scum and has pooled the wool over my head.
It's why I need to hear town PR claim ASAP.
If food is right and mafia hit our PR with the tadpole, may God have mercy on our soul.

[Col7by]

If I’m voting a lurker player why not will who in the past is known for being helpful?

I really *hate* how Bunny is playing this phase. It feels just awful. So so so so so so so awful. "I don't want this wagon to collapse but rather than being on the wagon to reinforce it, I'll vote somewhere else that's very plausible".
Eden having misgivings about Sweet is giving me misgivings.

I agree. Not my best play.

But the scum team is Sweet-TheMad-??-?? And based on reactions today I’m guessing one of those is Col7by and the other is either Just or aaro outside chance of food.

You just said will is town in another post….

[Ezio]

Ezio says it well and I'll just reinforce that the timing of your claims scream to me that you're focused on ensuring you live. The logical thing I can point to is you're the scum PR that could cause the game to end with the vote mechanics so you're a great use of our last miskill.

Add in Colby's posts and I think this is even more true...

The tilting part is it's not inherently anti-town to try to survive lol. Town doesn't want to be miskilled either.

Hearing what you've said about Sweet getting D1'd a lot makes me feel even more unsure about this. I didn't know how bad his meta was.

Has he ever made it to lategame as scum before?

Uhhh... unsure off the top of my head, would need to dig on the bot/BB record sheet

link to record sheet?

[BunnyGo]

If I’m voting a lurker player why not will who in the past is known for being helpful?

Because Just is useful town and contributing and TheMad is scummy af. Look at what she posted today alone. Nothing useful, then tries to announce she trusts me so much she’d even vote for herself.

Can you site useful stuff he’s done? I’m on my phone so can’t look back to see

Same.

But he’s pushed some ideas and had some thoughts and positions.

TheMad’s position today was “Bunny is great..even as he says I should be voted!”

[sweetandcool]

I've been a vocal proponent/pusher that town players should never fake a PR claim just to save themselves and that it's anti-town because it can blow up and cause either a PR to CC the person or blow a miskill on the second highest wagon at some point.

Just look at my death last game as verification of my commitment to this ideology - I ensured I died so that you (The PR that broke the game open as you already know) would live because I knew my death would help the gamestate move forward.

The fact you did the cop scan claim shit and then this self defense move doesn't make me think you're town, it leads me to conclude you're more likely the last scum PR that hadn't been used yet and are just desperately trying to live.


Town doesn't acknowledge the claim because most town players suck ass at identifying soft-claims. I'm so bad at seeing non-hardclaims when I am town because I'm not looking for them, I'm looking for scum. It's a completely different mindset - I've discussed this in detail in a GT before and stand by it.

I don't think scum need to point anything out here because of the daychat. They can log it there and leave it out of the thread.

You've been preaching the value of daychat so much but seem to not employ it here. Why?

It was not a soft claim I literally claimed a role. I said "I am Iatrophobe".

You call that a soft claim?

I'm going to fake claim PR in many other games by the way, so buckle up.

Keep at it long enough and you might learn how to do it better. I will argue: it always sucks for exactly this reason. As a meta: I've grown accustomed to this play being done by scum to survive "one more day". If enough town players do shit like this consistently, it will start working for scum too.
I think that meta will not go well for town, so I'd encourage you to avoid doing it.

I literally recanted with ample time. I did not harm Town. However Town is determined to put their blinders on because the Webdip meta dictates we must be droll and never ever fake claim.

You all are dying on a hill of principle rather than caring to actually solve the game. Well, some are just doing that as scum, but it looks like Town is mostly leading the way, just like the entire game.

[aarodactyl]

has there been a pr announcement about freezing votes or anything or can i just place a vote now

You should just vote. I think if the freeze thing exists, it wouldn’t be used today anyways (I have some post about that earlier in the phase)

[BunnyGo]

I really *hate* how Bunny is playing this phase. It feels just awful. So so so so so so so awful. "I don't want this wagon to collapse but rather than being on the wagon to reinforce it, I'll vote somewhere else that's very plausible".
Eden having misgivings about Sweet is giving me misgivings.

I agree. Not my best play.

But the scum team is Sweet-TheMad-??-?? And based on reactions today I’m guessing one of those is Col7by and the other is either Just or aaro outside chance of food.

You just said will is town in another post….

He probably is. I’m not sure the 4th. I’d believe it’s the tadpole.

[worcej]

The tilting part is it's not inherently anti-town to try to survive lol. Town doesn't want to be miskilled either.

Hearing what you've said about Sweet getting D1'd a lot makes me feel even more unsure about this. I didn't know how bad his meta was.

Has he ever made it to lategame as scum before?

Uhhh... unsure off the top of my head, would need to dig on the bot/BB record sheet

link to record sheet?

Great question - trying to find it

[sweetandcool]

Ezio says it well and I'll just reinforce that the timing of your claims scream to me that you're focused on ensuring you live. The logical thing I can point to is you're the scum PR that could cause the game to end with the vote mechanics so you're a great use of our last miskill.

Add in Colby's posts and I think this is even more true...

The tilting part is it's not inherently anti-town to try to survive lol. Town doesn't want to be miskilled either.

Hearing what you've said about Sweet getting D1'd a lot makes me feel even more unsure about this. I didn't know how bad his meta was.

Has he ever made it to lategame as scum before?

No. He’s usually D1’d

I've always been D1'd as scum. Every single time so far (I guess once it was due to a D1 vig).

[foodcoats]

It was not a soft claim I literally claimed a role. I said "I am Iatrophobe".

You call that a soft claim?

I'm going to fake claim PR in many other games by the way, so buckle up.

Keep at it long enough and you might learn how to do it better. I will argue: it always sucks for exactly this reason. As a meta: I've grown accustomed to this play being done by scum to survive "one more day". If enough town players do shit like this consistently, it will start working for scum too.
I think that meta will not go well for town, so I'd encourage you to avoid doing it.

Ezio says it well and I'll just reinforce that the timing of your claims scream to me that you're focused on ensuring you live. The logical thing I can point to is you're the scum PR that could cause the game to end with the vote mechanics so you're a great use of our last miskill.

Add in Colby's posts and I think this is even more true...

This is actually a good theory as to why sweet is working so hard today. It's tinfoil-tunnelling but it aligns with my theory that the scumteam actually has Iatrophobe.

[Ezio]

It was not a soft claim I literally claimed a role. I said "I am Iatrophobe".

You call that a soft claim?

I'm going to fake claim PR in many other games by the way, so buckle up.

Keep at it long enough and you might learn how to do it better. I will argue: it always sucks for exactly this reason. As a meta: I've grown accustomed to this play being done by scum to survive "one more day". If enough town players do shit like this consistently, it will start working for scum too.
I think that meta will not go well for town, so I'd encourage you to avoid doing it.

I literally recanted with ample time. I did not harm Town. However Town is determined to put their blinders on because the Webdip meta dictates we must be droll and never ever fake claim.

You all are dying on a hill of principle rather than caring to actually solve the game. Well, some are just doing that as scum, but it looks like Town is mostly leading the way, just like the entire game.

It's more than the fake claims Sweet.

It's that I don't buy your case on Eden: it feels fabricated.
It's that you've been scumread by people for almost the entire game and have barely survived many times, including by confirmed town.
It's that when you began "solving the game", your solve was against too much of my towncore for me to feel that it's real. Your case included a number of small slip ups that feels rushed (not alignment indicative, just undermines the case).
It's that the only people who are actually defending you are the people that I already scumread.

I can't flip my entire script here at this juncture.

[foodcoats]

Fine.

I don’t want a sweet wagon collapse. But if it’s coming. ##vote themad. Good alternative.

If I’m voting a lurker player why not will who in the past is known for being helpful?

Because Just is useful town and contributing and TheMad is scummy af. Look at what she posted today alone. Nothing useful, then tries to announce she trusts me so much she’d even vote for herself.

"Just is useful town"

Bunny and I are playing games in different multiverses.

[worcej]

has there been a pr announcement about freezing votes or anything or can i just place a vote now

You should just vote. I think if the freeze thing exists, it wouldn’t be used today anyways (I have some post about that earlier in the phase)

Colby holding their votes back while asking us to move off sweet is fucking sus to me...

[BunnyGo]

Keep at it long enough and you might learn how to do it better. I will argue: it always sucks for exactly this reason. As a meta: I've grown accustomed to this play being done by scum to survive "one more day". If enough town players do shit like this consistently, it will start working for scum too.
I think that meta will not go well for town, so I'd encourage you to avoid doing it.

Ezio says it well and I'll just reinforce that the timing of your claims scream to me that you're focused on ensuring you live. The logical thing I can point to is you're the scum PR that could cause the game to end with the vote mechanics so you're a great use of our last miskill.

Add in Colby's posts and I think this is even more true...

This is actually a good theory as to why sweet is working so hard today. It's tinfoil-tunnelling but it aligns with my theory that the scumteam actually has Iatrophobe.

Wait…what?! How is that your theory?

[BunnyGo]

has there been a pr announcement about freezing votes or anything or can i just place a vote now

You should just vote. I think if the freeze thing exists, it wouldn’t be used today anyways (I have some post about that earlier in the phase)

Colby holding their votes back while asking us to move off sweet is fucking sus to me...

100


Sweet-Mad-Colby scum team is looking likely

[foodcoats]

This is the D1 EOD voting. I think it is instructive in some way but it is hard to say exactly how.

Essentially, ALL OF THE VOTES WITH 30 MINS TO GO WERE TOWN - except sweet. I know you guys don't KNOW my alignment, but I do, so I see this.

Because of this, the votes by Worcej and Bunny with about 30 to go really grabbed my attention. I did not post about this when I first saw it because I was not sure how to decide what to think of this. Now that I feel confident worcej is town because Fox scumread him and was not NKd, I think this looks really bad for BunnyGo.

It also looks REALLY good for lfischl/PE to votepark a scum into top wagon contention with 40 minutes to go.

So again, we can deduce from this that PE is likely town. We can deduce also that Bunny could possibly be scum for moving to protect Flum.

We can also ask, is there actually ZERO scum movement in the last 30 minutes? This is just too much WIFOM at the moment so I can't give sweet scum points for this... if I rebuild the wagons and colour them I might have more ideas.

40 minutes is a long time - unsure how much credit can be given there

Yeah, in the end, my main takeaway here was, that since we know 90% of the voting at the end was town, that lfischl/PE is even more likely to be town because they vote-parked on Flum.