M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[BunnyGo]

I don’t really care to fight sweet’s insufferable bullshit.

Anyone fairly reading my posts N5 can conclude that I was skeptical of Will’s lame posting around EOD but that I was not whipping anyone up to kill him. I listed him second in my initial POE stab after sweet because my POE was essentially sweet + a handful of nulls at that point. I kept working and thinking about the game and never really demoted Will from my second guess… but no one can realistically say I was pushing people to kill Will.

Anyone fairly reading the Battle Master situation would realize how batshit ridiculous it is to assert that the mafia would spend their power to make lfischl of all people a clear. Bro was cruising for a modkill right afterward and it’s only by my terrible decision to sub that he wasn’t. This is obviously a post hoc invention sweet needs to justify his push and not an objective view of the evidence.

sweet is either scum or moronic town, but either way I will credit his work ethic. He’s going to outwork me on this. He might even get me killed. I do not care. Do what you will.

Serious question: you feel very defeatist here, is it due to lack of time?

worcej, join me...voting Just is the wrong time today.

[sweetandcool]

Have you NOT been solving by counting PRs?!

Three town PRs. Plus Food.

So one missing PR.

Two probable Mafia PRs, so one missing Mafia PR.

But what am I supposed to solve with that?

Town!Sweet doesn't suck this hard at math and solving.

C'mon man, you're not this stupid. Is it babybrain (TM)?

ScumBunny loves being unconstructive and dismissive. Hmmm, could it be we are dealing with him this game?

[BunnyGo]

I don’t really care to fight sweet’s insufferable bullshit.

Anyone fairly reading my posts N5 can conclude that I was skeptical of Will’s lame posting around EOD but that I was not whipping anyone up to kill him. I listed him second in my initial POE stab after sweet because my POE was essentially sweet + a handful of nulls at that point. I kept working and thinking about the game and never really demoted Will from my second guess… but no one can realistically say I was pushing people to kill Will.

Anyone fairly reading the Battle Master situation would realize how batshit ridiculous it is to assert that the mafia would spend their power to make lfischl of all people a clear. Bro was cruising for a modkill right afterward and it’s only by my terrible decision to sub that he wasn’t. This is obviously a post hoc invention sweet needs to justify his push and not an objective view of the evidence.

sweet is either scum or moronic town, but either way I will credit his work ethic. He’s going to outwork me on this. He might even get me killed. I do not care. Do what you will.

Serious question: you feel very defeatist here, is it due to lack of time?

worcej, join me...voting Just is the wrong time today.

sweet or Mad. And I think not enough people want sweet, but it's time for Mad. We cannot delay on that any longer.

[BunnyGo]

Three town PRs. Plus Food.

So one missing PR.

Two probable Mafia PRs, so one missing Mafia PR.

But what am I supposed to solve with that?

Town!Sweet doesn't suck this hard at math and solving.

C'mon man, you're not this stupid. Is it babybrain (TM)?

ScumBunny loves being unconstructive and dismissive. Hmmm, could it be we are dealing with him this game?

town!sweet can do math.

scum!sweet is destructive.

[sweetandcool]

If the two of us are in LYLO I don’t trust you not to throw the game. And neither of us are getting nightkilled now. So functionally we’re already at LYLO as far as I’m concerned.

Oh so you agree that today a MK will lose the game?

Because I severely doubt both of us get to the endgame. The game would end before that ever happens.

But in the hypothetical case we make it to endgame together, then I my reads today would be proven wrong in which case I would not be "tunneled" on you.

You think we're in Miskill and lose because of hidden scum powers they've been saving?

For someone so dialed in on the PRs I'm surprised you wouldn't have come to this conclusion ages ago.

SCUMSLIP

[Ezio]

Town!Sweet doesn't suck this hard at math and solving.

C'mon man, you're not this stupid. Is it babybrain (TM)?

Why aren't you voting him?

I'd love to, but people keep disappearing and I think TheMad is a safer vote for town.

What do you mean by safer?

[BunnyGo]

In any case, if I could mute sweet and his spam in this thread, I would. It's exhausting.

So...that alone is worth voting sweet.

But I'm done arguing with him.

@worcej, food, Eden, Ezio, aaro. Join me on sweet or Mad. I've made my cases, and they're solid af.

[BunnyGo]

Oh so you agree that today a MK will lose the game?

Because I severely doubt both of us get to the endgame. The game would end before that ever happens.

But in the hypothetical case we make it to endgame together, then I my reads today would be proven wrong in which case I would not be "tunneled" on you.

You think we're in Miskill and lose because of hidden scum powers they've been saving?

For someone so dialed in on the PRs I'm surprised you wouldn't have come to this conclusion ages ago.

SCUMSLIP

Only you seem to know what the scum PRs are...

[worcej]

Clearly I suck at this game.

No. I think your method is generally okay, but unfortunately people do wildly stupid stuff as Town sometimes.

I think you are struggling this game because the majority of Town have not put much effort into solving or have just been weird.

Review all the DKs and all the people I claim are Town. Generally not a very inspiring set of people.

The back handed-ness of this post slaps hard

[BunnyGo]

Why aren't you voting him?

I'd love to, but people keep disappearing and I think TheMad is a safer vote for town.

What do you mean by safer?

Case 1:

Mad is town in KiLo. Mad makes a vote, then leaves it in. The rest of us MUST sheep her as town must vote together in KiLo.

This is a terrible way to play.

Case 2:

Mad is scum. Her voting record and posts are not a bad bet for this. In which case...it's the right vote.


Case 1, we need to vote her NOW for safety.

Case 2, we need to vote her now for scummy.

Either way, it's the safe hedge.

I have 0 belief sweet is town; I'd stake the game on it. But in case I'm wrong, he'll be useful in KiLo. Mad is lose-lose keeping her around.

[worcej]

##vote worcej

Let’s do something fun instead

Worcej is obviously not scum.

When I faked a guilty on Food his reaction was genuine confusion and outing a PR. You can’t fake that sequence as scum.

wait, you fakeclaimed twice this game?

Yes. Yes he fucking did.

[BunnyGo]

Worcej is obviously not scum.

When I faked a guilty on Food his reaction was genuine confusion and outing a PR. You can’t fake that sequence as scum.

wait, you fakeclaimed twice this game?

Yes. Yes he fucking did.

Yes...he fake claimed WHEN HE KNEW the following:

food COULD NOT BE TOWN if his PR claim was correct.

Yet he didn't vote food.

sweet is 100% scum. There is no doubt.

[BunnyGo]

##vote sweet PLEASE

[Ezio]

I'd love to, but people keep disappearing and I think TheMad is a safer vote for town.

What do you mean by safer?

Case 1:

Mad is town in KiLo. Mad makes a vote, then leaves it in. The rest of us MUST sheep her as town must vote together in KiLo.

This is a terrible way to play.

Case 2:

Mad is scum. Her voting record and posts are not a bad bet for this. In which case...it's the right vote.


Case 1, we need to vote her NOW for safety.

Case 2, we need to vote her now for scummy.

Either way, it's the safe hedge.

I have 0 belief sweet is town; I'd stake the game on it. But in case I'm wrong, he'll be useful in KiLo. Mad is lose-lose keeping her around.

My feeling about Mad being scum is hugely reliant on her being a scum teammate with Will. I could def see it though.

Idk man.

##vote Will again. That is where I feel at home.

[aarodactyl]

The only thing that will “unravel” if you flip me is your farcical self-image as a competent mafia player.

Eden is actually pretty nice. He's willing to resort to insults because he is scum. Because he respects the game and wants to give us the greatest challenge possible when he is Mafia. So he is happy to use emotional trickery.

Town Eden would not insult me here.

I’m reading through this squabble right now. To be perfectly honest, it’s reading as TvT. But it’s also gotten way too heated.

You’ve said something that I’ve said in past games and I always regret doing it. Which is to say “they’re scum because they wouldn’t actually be mean if they were being authentic”. I think I’ve said the variant of “you wouldn’t be this bad at the game/math if you weren’t scum”. Anyways, it’s basically a personal attack and not helping anyone.

I think you should consider the situation where eden is not scum and see who you think is scum as a result. And then maybe see if there’s overlap with the Eden = scum situation. I’m not saying he’s town (though I think he is) but I do think you’re tunneling a bit too much.

[Ezio]

Fine. ##vote Sweet.

[sweetandcool]

You think we're in Miskill and lose because of hidden scum powers they've been saving?

For someone so dialed in on the PRs I'm surprised you wouldn't have come to this conclusion ages ago.

SCUMSLIP

Only you seem to know what the scum PRs are...

And apparently you haven't considered which ones could be left.

Wow, sweetandcool isn't solving by considering PRs but somehow he has taken into account the dangers we may face whereas Bunny has whined about sweetsndcool being ignorant but is somehow caught by surprise that PRs actually could threaten town.

No reason for a Town player to be freaked out today, not at all.

[sweetandcool]

I'd love to, but people keep disappearing and I think TheMad is a safer vote for town.

What do you mean by safer?

Case 1:

Mad is town in KiLo. Mad makes a vote, then leaves it in. The rest of us MUST sheep her as town must vote together in KiLo.

This is a terrible way to play.

Case 2:

Mad is scum. Her voting record and posts are not a bad bet for this. In which case...it's the right vote.


Case 1, we need to vote her NOW for safety.

Case 2, we need to vote her now for scummy.

Either way, it's the safe hedge.

I have 0 belief sweet is town; I'd stake the game on it. But in case I'm wrong, he'll be useful in KiLo. Mad is lose-lose keeping her around.

Yeah, okay let's policy vote Mad when we are probably in LYLO right now.

[BunnyGo]

For someone so dialed in on the PRs I'm surprised you wouldn't have come to this conclusion ages ago.

SCUMSLIP

Only you seem to know what the scum PRs are...

And apparently you haven't considered which ones could be left.

Wow, sweetandcool isn't solving by considering PRs but somehow he has taken into account the dangers we may face whereas Bunny has whined about sweetsndcool being ignorant but is somehow caught by surprise that PRs actually could threaten town.

No reason for a Town player to be freaked out today, not at all.

Fine. Simple question for you:

Why did you not vote food when you claimed PR?

He'd HAVE to be a scum!PR.

[Ezio]

The only thing that will “unravel” if you flip me is your farcical self-image as a competent mafia player.

Eden is actually pretty nice. He's willing to resort to insults because he is scum. Because he respects the game and wants to give us the greatest challenge possible when he is Mafia. So he is happy to use emotional trickery.

Town Eden would not insult me here.

I’m reading through this squabble right now. To be perfectly honest, it’s reading as TvT. But it’s also gotten way too heated.

You’ve said something that I’ve said in past games and I always regret doing it. Which is to say “they’re scum because they wouldn’t actually be mean if they were being authentic”. I think I’ve said the variant of “you wouldn’t be this bad at the game/math if you weren’t scum”. Anyways, it’s basically a personal attack and not helping anyone.

I think you should consider the situation where eden is not scum and see who you think is scum as a result. And then maybe see if there’s overlap with the Eden = scum situation. I’m not saying he’s town (though I think he is) but I do think you’re tunneling a bit too much.

See I like this. I like this a *lot* aaro.
I also appreciate Eden's argument of "why on earth is *this* the play scum(!) sweet makes.
It feels crazy to me.
If Sweet were less scumread going into today, with less nonsense, I'd be 100% convinced he's town.