M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Ezio]

Here is a fun thought experiment. Suppose all players who I correctly list as Town actually listen to me and either vote Eden or Bunny.

The more accurate my list, the more players who help us win. And if I'm actually scum then I either post an inaccurate list and nobody moves or I post an accurate list and I solve the game for you all.

Town:

Ezio
Food
Bona
worcej
Will
MadMonarch

I just hard disagree with you. I'm still very sus of bona, I think will is super likely scum, and now I'm sus of MadMonarch as well.

By POE your scum list is:
PE
Bunny
Colby
and
aaro?

[Ezio]

I would really like to consolidate here. I am happy with Sweet or Will.
I think Sweet is grasping at straws to get a miskill.
I’ve seen both Eden and Bunny ##vote Sweet earlier today, so maybe this will be easier to rally around.

He’s obviously not.

God damnit.

I build my reads based on people thinking like I do. It comes from a town way of thinking and makes sense to me. When someone disagrees so much it's so fucking hard to town them still.

SnC's fakeclaims were explicitly to save themselves. That's scummy. Admitting it is less scummy.

I'm not sure why they would specifically pick you to push.

As to why scum is doing this rather than sitting idly? I think we're actually onto something with Will and they're feeling the heat, finally.

[sweetandcool]

First of all, source on the claim that town driven = active player kill. That doesn’t pass muster.
You even handwave d1 when that day theoretically should be the best day to observe trends like that; town have little to go on and hit the nail sticking out the farthest, while mafia go for uncontroversial kills on inactive to avoid committing to stances on active players.

Second, you know food, Fox, and Ezio were the main drivers of d5 right? You’ve got them all in town or town leans. So by your own reads you can’t really say d5 was scum driven. I guess you want to pin it all on me and sweet and aaro, but that just doesn’t track with what actually happened.

Eden is very correct that the majority of wagons everyday have been mostly Town driven. Part of that has to do with us clearing Eden too early. Part of that has to do with excessive amounts of policy kills essentially.

There have been no policy kills so far.

D1 Ham killed for being Ham.
D3 Flavius dies for being too over-the-top paranoid
D4 Demon dies for lurking and aggressively bad takes.
D5 Yoyoyo dies for lurking and acting chaotically unhelpful in a shitposting sort of way.
D6 dousing dies for ghosting the thread.

Which one of these were chosen due to VCA or their connections with dead Mafia or any reason other than policy or seeming vaguely "anti-town"?

[Ezio]

Clearly I suck at this game.

[Ezio]

Eden is very correct that the majority of wagons everyday have been mostly Town driven. Part of that has to do with us clearing Eden too early. Part of that has to do with excessive amounts of policy kills essentially.

There have been no policy kills so far.

D1 Ham killed for being Ham.
D3 Flavius dies for being too over-the-top paranoid
D4 Demon dies for lurking and aggressively bad takes.
D5 Yoyoyo dies for lurking and acting chaotically unhelpful in a shitposting sort of way.
D6 dousing dies for ghosting the thread.

Which one of these were chosen due to VCA or their connections with dead Mafia or any reason other than policy or seeming vaguely "anti-town"?

I pushed dousing for VCA.

[sweetandcool]

Here is a fun thought experiment. Suppose all players who I correctly list as Town actually listen to me and either vote Eden or Bunny.

The more accurate my list, the more players who help us win. And if I'm actually scum then I either post an inaccurate list and nobody moves or I post an accurate list and I solve the game for you all.

Town:

Ezio
Food
Bona
worcej
Will
MadMonarch

I just hard disagree with you. I'm still very sus of bona, I think will is super likely scum, and now I'm sus of MadMonarch as well.

By POE your scum list is:
PE
Bunny
Colby
and
aaro?

Yes absolutely. I think you are Town but it's possible I am wrong about someone on that list and you are the final Mafia.

Yes, my case on Bona is outwardly kind of weak if you don't believe Eden is Mafia. But I am really good at reading Bona and he is absolutely Town.

[sweetandcool]

I would really like to consolidate here. I am happy with Sweet or Will.
I think Sweet is grasping at straws to get a miskill.
I’ve seen both Eden and Bunny ##vote Sweet earlier today, so maybe this will be easier to rally around.

He’s obviously not.

God damnit.

I build my reads based on people thinking like I do. It comes from a town way of thinking and makes sense to me. When someone disagrees so much it's so fucking hard to town them still.

SnC's fakeclaims were explicitly to save themselves. That's scummy. Admitting it is less scummy.

I'm not sure why they would specifically pick you to push.

As to why scum is doing this rather than sitting idly? I think we're actually onto something with Will and they're feeling the heat, finally.

I'm really sorry about the fake claim.

It was bad because I became busy and did not execute well (and possibly simply shouldn't have).

My reasoning when planning it was lazy. I figured that if I came under pressure I would fake claim and Town would surely manage to hit Mafia, like even random chance seemed to dictate it.

Normally I absolutely am not a proponent of VT fake claiming just to save themselves. I am sorry I was so stupid and lazy.

[sweetandcool]

Clearly I suck at this game.

No. I think your method is generally okay, but unfortunately people do wildly stupid stuff as Town sometimes.

I think you are struggling this game because the majority of Town have not put much effort into solving or have just been weird.

Review all the DKs and all the people I claim are Town. Generally not a very inspiring set of people.

[sweetandcool]

Clearly I suck at this game.

No. I think your method is generally okay, but unfortunately people do wildly stupid stuff as Town sometimes.

I think you are struggling this game because the majority of Town have not put much effort into solving or have just been weird.

Review all the DKs and all the people I claim are Town. Generally not a very inspiring set of people.

Generally not a very inspiring set of people this game.

[Col7by]

Can you explain why you scumread Eden and Ezio?

I don’t I think that I want to trust sweets read on this one that’s why

Why do you trust sweet?

I think sweet is being framed by mafia to be the final miskill. They’ve just played so sporadic and sloppy I can’t imagine this a smart scum move in any form

[President Eden]

I would really like to consolidate here. I am happy with Sweet or Will.
I think Sweet is grasping at straws to get a miskill.
I’ve seen both Eden and Bunny ##vote Sweet earlier today, so maybe this will be easier to rally around.

He’s obviously not.

I build my reads based on people thinking like I do. It comes from a town way of thinking and makes sense to me. When someone disagrees so much it’s so fucking hard to town them still.

Tell me about it lol.

[President Eden]

##vote worcej

Let’s do something fun instead

[Col7by]

I’ve been saying bunny as scum since D2 but no one has pulled the trigger with me so I’ve stepped back to try to analyze the game and go on wagons I think are smart. I one again yesterday said that we should go for yoyo or a more talkative player to get more intel and instead ended on dousing. I don’t think much of what I have said has influenced anyone so I’m trying to make what I think is the right vote each round given the options people are giving

[sweetandcool]

Ezio, I know you are freaking out about Will right now.

I know 5 minutes to read and post that meme is so little time.

But Will really didn't have much material to go through between his last post and the EoD flip.

And MadMonarch showed it would take about 30 seconds to find that meme and post it.

It's a tight window, but so was Fox's timeframe when he posted his case discrediting Balki, and that turned out to be true too.

[sweetandcool]

##vote worcej

Let’s do something fun instead

Worcej is obviously not scum.

When I faked a guilty on Food his reaction was genuine confusion and outing a PR. You can't fake that sequence as scum.

[President Eden]

##vote worcej

Let’s do something fun instead

Worcej is obviously not scum.

When I faked a guilty on Food his reaction was genuine confusion and outing a PR. You can’t fake that sequence as scum.

wait, you fakeclaimed twice this game?

[sweetandcool]

I’ve been saying bunny as scum since D2 but no one has pulled the trigger with me so I’ve stepped back to try to analyze the game and go on wagons I think are smart. I one again yesterday said that we should go for yoyo or a more talkative player to get more intel and instead ended on dousing. I don’t think much of what I have said has influenced anyone so I’m trying to make what I think is the right vote each round given the options people are giving

We really should flip Eden. Unfortunately Town leader Food is against that so maybe he will go for next best flip which is Bunny.

[Ezio]

##vote worcej

Let’s do something fun instead

I think the fun thing here is to
##vote Bunny. I'm actually curious about this one.

[sweetandcool]

##vote worcej

Let’s do something fun instead

Worcej is obviously not scum.

When I faked a guilty on Food his reaction was genuine confusion and outing a PR. You can’t fake that sequence as scum.

wait, you fakeclaimed twice this game?

People seem to view it that way. Really all I did was obviously reference a previous game and state my opinion that he was guilty.

But since everyone keeps characterizing it as a fake claim I've given up on making the distinction.

[President Eden]

maybe in a bit, i need to spitefully vote every town in sweet’s POE first

##vote bona