M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

i see three people died actually?? (bongo vindicated in not reading past the first line)

well done to whoever on vecna

guys i'm almost to 5000 karma, please +1 me

I sm ur 5000th

[Bonatogether]

Oh shoot, now I see something to do with number of PR claims that might be swaying the vote incorrectly.

I give up, I was fake claiming, I am VT.

i HATE this claim. HATE

[Bonatogether]

i see three people died actually?? (bongo vindicated in not reading past the first line)

well done to whoever on vecna

guys i'm almost to 5000 karma, please +1 me

I sm ur 5000th

thanks

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Bona they gon murk me cuz i pulled up a meme hella fast

[Bonatogether]

So, what, it really is Eden, Sweet, and Ezio?

possibly

[Bonatogether]

So, it's Eden, Ezio, Worcej, and Sweet for the tadpole.

Scum absolutely ran that show, so anyone who wasn't here is pretty safe.

sayth the closest we're getting to a townclear

i think mafia was hella afk

+1ed by ezio

[President Eden]

Current towncore:
Foxcastle
foodcoats
Ezio
aarodactyl
BunnyGo
worcej

Rough kill priority (high to low):
sweetandcool
JustAGuyNamedWill
Bonatogether
TheMadMonarch
Col7by


Some level of rationale forthcoming

Fox needs no introduction.

I believe foodcoats’s PR claim. We don’t have enough town PR claims to contradict it. As explained sometime D5, he can only be fabricating the ghost chat with sweetandcool’s assistance. And if he’s truthfully relaying ghost chat, he’s just town… scum would just sit on it instead of outing themselves and running into the inevitable “too many PRs” problem. Plus, he’s trying way harder to solve this than most of the rest of town. Just doesn’t add up for him to be anything but town.

Ezio is essentially foodcoats without a PR claim.

I don’t actually remember the specifics about why I think Bunny and aaro are town, but I think it involved interactions with confirmed mafia that made the pairing unlikely. Bunny with Balki, aaro with Flum. Have also liked aaro’s solve efforts generally and felt Bunny’s were not so good, but clearly well-intentioned. (No offense bunny lol.)

I also don’t really remember why worcej is in my towncore… I do think he’s the best candidate for sleeper scum of my towncore, but I don’t know that we have time. :/


I cannot fathom the pro-town motivation to fakeclaim iatrophobe. As a reaction test it seems destined to bait town PRs to claim. It’s also incredibly convenient to claim the role with no active ability that also thwarts the narrative that sweet was tadpoled. I know literally giving sweet five minutes to explain himself was short and maybe not the fairest—but I really needed a live reaction so that he could show me why he did it. It’s been far too long now, he has time to retroactively explain his claim and spend hours thinking it through if he wants. No answer can be trusted now.

Will is aggressively doing nothing. There are degrees of doing nothing… he’s taken the tack of not trying to solve in a coherent way, posting in a forgettable manner, shading every misfire while doing nothing of substance to prevent it.

Monarch is on the other end; she’s just not really here.

Bona is somewhere in the middle.

And then Colby actually seems pretty okay and is the converse of worcej here; this is the one I’m most likely wrong about in my POE (and luckily we still have one miss, so I have to be wrong about one person here). I think this is just not knowing anything about Colby and thus not being as comfortable with a generally inoffensive, background performance.

[Bonatogether]

i think mafia was hella afk

The only people who didn't end on the final wagons are:
Monarch,
Bona,
Colby,
and will.

Do we think that is the exact scum team? I'd be surprised about Monarch for odds reasons, and Colby b/c I previously townread him.
That means, among that, there were 2 likely scum.
I guess SnC makes sense for 1 of them, and not sure about the other.

I do feel that will looks *terrible* there, but if SnC is scum with Will I'm somewhat surprised he didn't vote Dousing there to protect SnC. It would have made perfect sense.

i think sweet, 2-3 of that list. willing to allow that there’s a mafia among the people i don’t suspect atm. not willing to prioritize hunting them at this point

this reads as fake to me. town has been wrong so far - why has town been unable to produce a scum except when a PR does it for them? my reads have been fucked so hard (squiggs, vecna), and i think town is just getting shot to pieces in the voting by scum

[Bonatogether]

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Me watching as town loses one of their two remaining miskills because i pulled up a meme hella fast

can you can it with the self-pity? jesus

[President Eden]

The only people who didn't end on the final wagons are:
Monarch,
Bona,
Colby,
and will.

Do we think that is the exact scum team? I'd be surprised about Monarch for odds reasons, and Colby b/c I previously townread him.
That means, among that, there were 2 likely scum.
I guess SnC makes sense for 1 of them, and not sure about the other.

I do feel that will looks *terrible* there, but if SnC is scum with Will I'm somewhat surprised he didn't vote Dousing there to protect SnC. It would have made perfect sense.

i think sweet, 2-3 of that list. willing to allow that there’s a mafia among the people i don’t suspect atm. not willing to prioritize hunting them at this point

this reads as fake to me. town has been wrong so far - why has town been unable to produce a scum except when a PR does it for them? my reads have been fucked so hard (squiggs, vecna), and i think town is just getting shot to pieces in the voting by scum

That can be true in a general sense and not contradict my specific feeling that D5 was mostly town driven

[Bonatogether]

Bona they gon murk me cuz i pulled up a meme hella fast

i don't care

[Bonatogether]

i think sweet, 2-3 of that list. willing to allow that there’s a mafia among the people i don’t suspect atm. not willing to prioritize hunting them at this point

this reads as fake to me. town has been wrong so far - why has town been unable to produce a scum except when a PR does it for them? my reads have been fucked so hard (squiggs, vecna), and i think town is just getting shot to pieces in the voting by scum

That can be true in a general sense and not contradict my specific feeling that D5 was mostly town driven

i don't think there are lurker scum like people have been claiming. people have oriented themselves around scum and we're getting led in circles.

[sweetandcool]

Current towncore:
Foxcastle
foodcoats
Ezio
aarodactyl
BunnyGo
worcej

Rough kill priority (high to low):
sweetandcool
JustAGuyNamedWill
Bonatogether
TheMadMonarch
Col7by


Some level of rationale forthcoming

Fox needs no introduction.

I believe foodcoats’s PR claim. We don’t have enough town PR claims to contradict it. As explained sometime D5, he can only be fabricating the ghost chat with sweetandcool’s assistance. And if he’s truthfully relaying ghost chat, he’s just town… scum would just sit on it instead of outing themselves and running into the inevitable “too many PRs” problem. Plus, he’s trying way harder to solve this than most of the rest of town. Just doesn’t add up for him to be anything but town.

Ezio is essentially foodcoats without a PR claim.

I don’t actually remember the specifics about why I think Bunny and aaro are town, but I think it involved interactions with confirmed mafia that made the pairing unlikely. Bunny with Balki, aaro with Flum. Have also liked aaro’s solve efforts generally and felt Bunny’s were not so good, but clearly well-intentioned. (No offense bunny lol.)

I also don’t really remember why worcej is in my towncore… I do think he’s the best candidate for sleeper scum of my towncore, but I don’t know that we have time. :/


I cannot fathom the pro-town motivation to fakeclaim iatrophobe. As a reaction test it seems destined to bait town PRs to claim. It’s also incredibly convenient to claim the role with no active ability that also thwarts the narrative that sweet was tadpoled. I know literally giving sweet five minutes to explain himself was short and maybe not the fairest—but I really needed a live reaction so that he could show me why he did it. It’s been far too long now, he has time to retroactively explain his claim and spend hours thinking it through if he wants. No answer can be trusted now.

Will is aggressively doing nothing. There are degrees of doing nothing… he’s taken the tack of not trying to solve in a coherent way, posting in a forgettable manner, shading every misfire while doing nothing of substance to prevent it.

Monarch is on the other end; she’s just not really here.

Bona is somewhere in the middle.

And then Colby actually seems pretty okay and is the converse of worcej here; this is the one I’m most likely wrong about in my POE (and luckily we still have one miss, so I have to be wrong about one person here). I think this is just not knowing anything about Colby and thus not being as comfortable with a generally inoffensive, background performance.

Still not here, but will be soon.

Yes, a live reaction would have been nice.

But any explanation is not going to sway people's opinions either way anyways. I'll explain when I can though.

No, I feel pretty confident I can absolve myself. I will put forth a case.

But really Eden, if BM didn't clear you, then I would think you are Mafia because your reasoning here is poor.

Rather than blanket condemn whatever I say now, because it was not in the first 5 or so minutes where I didn't have time to really rehearse it in DAYCHAT, you could just ISO my day and draw conclusions from it. That is "authentic". Whether it authentically came from Town sweetandcool or Mafia sweetandcool is for you and others to decide.

[President Eden]

this reads as fake to me. town has been wrong so far - why has town been unable to produce a scum except when a PR does it for them? my reads have been fucked so hard (squiggs, vecna), and i think town is just getting shot to pieces in the voting by scum

That can be true in a general sense and not contradict my specific feeling that D5 was mostly town driven

i don't think there are lurker scum like people have been claiming. people have oriented themselves around scum and we're getting led in circles.

You don’t think there are any lurker scum? Because even just 1-2 absentees at this stage would create a town-dominated EOD.

Taking my guess that you quoted, I said sweet, 2-3 of you/Monarch/Colby/Will, 0-1 other active poster. Let’s go with 2 “lurkers” (don’t know if you really count but you were for sure gone this phase).

That’s still a team of Balki, Flum, sweetandcool, and one other somewhat active player going deep. Will hasn’t exactly been quiet all game either, he’s still 8th in posting. That explains why you feel the mafia has been actively misdirecting… they have. But that team could still not have a lot of influence d5.

[Bonatogether]

my reads
aarodactyl - not solving. i understand i've been in a glass house here, but guys. aaro the dact is a core solver, and it's not being produced. his vca sucks also
Bonatogether - town
BunnyGo - i go back and forth on bongo. i can't read him accurately, so i'm unsure, but i feel like i like him.
Col7by - i like this guy
Ezio - i feel like i like this guy
foodcoats - i was operating on the assumption for a long time that this guy was scum, and i really dislike the argument that we need PR claims before we can shoot him, but i accept it
Foxcastle - town
JustAGuyNamedWill - whiney. idk.
President Eden - i deeply feel this is scum eden. he's advocating doing the same damn thing that got us here.
sweetandcool - you claimed? you're drained.
TheMadMonarch - people have claimed macca is scum but i personally just don't feel it. haven't played with macca in forever but macca just doesn't feel it to me.
worcej - vecna (also someone i was assuming was just scum) said that this guy feels too clean, which i kind of have to agree with.

this produces a list of
scum, reads and leans:
aaro, eden, sweet

nulls:
bongo, worcej, will

town leans:
macca, ezio

town reads:
myself, colby, food (reluctantly), fox

[Bonatogether]

That can be true in a general sense and not contradict my specific feeling that D5 was mostly town driven

i don't think there are lurker scum like people have been claiming. people have oriented themselves around scum and we're getting led in circles.

You don’t think there are any lurker scum? Because even just 1-2 absentees at this stage would create a town-dominated EOD.

Taking my guess that you quoted, I said sweet, 2-3 of you/Monarch/Colby/Will, 0-1 other active poster. Let’s go with 2 “lurkers” (don’t know if you really count but you were for sure gone this phase).

That’s still a team of Balki, Flum, sweetandcool, and one other somewhat active player going deep. Will hasn’t exactly been quiet all game either, he’s still 8th in posting. That explains why you feel the mafia has been actively misdirecting… they have. But that team could still not have a lot of influence d5.

town-driven days usually kill active players, in my experience - they usually self-cannibalize on what they can see in front of them. voting kills so far:
d1 and d2 can't be read in this way - d1 for d1, and the duel for d2
d3 - flav, high poster (but i know i drove this kill, so i slot it into the first category)
d4 - demon, low poster - if we accept food as town, this day was TvTvT and therefore very likely scum driven.
d5 - dousing, low poster

[President Eden]

First of all, source on the claim that town driven = active player kill. That doesn’t pass muster.
You even handwave d1 when that day theoretically should be the best day to observe trends like that; town have little to go on and hit the nail sticking out the farthest, while mafia go for uncontroversial kills on inactive to avoid committing to stances on active players.

Second, you know food, Fox, and Ezio were the main drivers of d5 right? You’ve got them all in town or town leans. So by your own reads you can’t really say d5 was scum driven. I guess you want to pin it all on me and sweet and aaro, but that just doesn’t track with what actually happened.

[Bonatogether]

First of all, source on the claim that town driven = active player kill. That doesn’t pass muster.
You even handwave d1 when that day theoretically should be the best day to observe trends like that; town have little to go on and hit the nail sticking out the farthest, while mafia go for uncontroversial kills on inactive to avoid committing to stances on active players.

Second, you know food, Fox, and Ezio were the main drivers of d5 right? You’ve got them all in town or town leans. So by your own reads you can’t really say d5 was scum driven. I guess you want to pin it all on me and sweet and aaro, but that just doesn’t track with what actually happened.

i don't have a list of evidence, but it's my intuition from having been here since 2020.

are you scumreading me?

[Col7by]

Had a lot of work stuff so missed the past 12ish hours. The yoyo attempt I was fine with but that dousing vote was so disappointing. I stayed in my one check in like 12 hours ago I think we needed information bad by getting an active player out and we did quite the opposite. I guess someone said we have one miskill left but at this point that night elim will give us more than our day one so we will have to go off of that

[Col7by]

Why have Bunny and Colby been voting each other all game when no one else has really?

Are they just bussing each other back and forth? Or is it NAI ribbing because they know each other personally?

To touch on this knowing bunny out of game he is very crafty snd good at telling a story or narrative. I originally voted for bunny because of dips thoughts and then bunny began to craft a story/case against me soon after in retaliation I believe