M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[sweetandcool]

Still not here.

I will "explain" myself in a more lucid post in about six hours.

But really I think my ISO ought to paint a pretty clear picture.

Notably, if I was Mafia, I am pretty sure my teammates would not have allowed everyone to miss my claim.

They would have pointed it out, similar to pointing damo was vigged, Fox was archer, Food was Knowledge, etc. because they wouldn't want people to miss it and disregard it.

Which seemed to be the case up until yoyo flipped. I don't know if it was noticed later, because I have not read it since then except some EoD of course.

[aarodactyl]

nnnonononoo. You don't have time to *just log on* before EoD and process everything that had happened including the SnC fakeclaim+retraction bullshit and make a meme about it and not have time to vote him.

I’m down to end wagon Will tomorrow after reading this whole sequence.

This is a bit petty but I’d rather not risk him being scum and getting away with it. (This is essentially the flip side of being ok if food or fox is scum and just messing with us)

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

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Me watching as town loses one of their two remaining miskills because i pulled up a meme hella fast

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Lmao

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Rip

[President Eden]

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Me watching as town loses one of their two remaining miskills because i pulled up a meme hella fast

Weird how you talk about town in the third person

[aarodactyl]

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Me watching as town loses one of their two remaining miskills because i pulled up a meme hella fast

Weird how you talk about town in the third person

Also he said 2 miskills after saying there was only 1 miskill left about an hour ago. Which is also very weird

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

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Me watching as town loses one of their two remaining miskills because i pulled up a meme hella fast

Weird how you talk about town in the third person

Also he said 2 miskills after saying there was only 1 miskill left about an hour ago. Which is also very weird

aarodactyl
Bonatogether
BunnyGo
Col7by
Ezio
foodcoats
Foxcastle
JustAGuyNamedWill
President Eden
sweetandcool
TheMadMonarch
worcej

Ok wait

8-4
Then 7-4 coming into D6
6-4
5-4

Okie so we do have one more MK left

Rip bozos just make sure yall pay more attention than i did

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Rip thread is ded which means im gonna die

[foodcoats]

So, after that day spinning horribly out of control, I did what I do whenever I fail at something I'd like to do well at: I look at a guide.

The guide's advice put me back on the idea of a POE. POE is something I've sort of "abandoned" because it often does not work to catch all the scum. But as I try the approach, I realize that the advantage of a POE is that it is a process, and that if it is begun early, it can allow you to, if not catch scum, at least winnow out the anti- or bad town - and possibly catch the bad scum, too. This means that, in the late game, you don't have to deal with problematic players like lurkers and shitposters; you can focus on the slippery scum.

I realize this and become both optimistic and pessimistic: on the one hand, the RHK, yoyo, and Dousing elims were actually good eliminations because they were not being helpful to town (RHK had gone full lurk; Dousing was overly defensive and absent; yoyo's approach came off as shitposting and random). On the other hand, when I see that we still have three characters who are anti- or bad town town, I realize we likely have already lost. Nonetheless, I am putting forward this exercise to stretch my muscles and remind myself to do it more systematically and effectively next time.

STRONG TOWN
Foxcastle cannot be voted out at this point because he is demonstrably, factually pro-town. Shooting Flum could be a deep scum play, but it is so generally beneficial to town, in a game where we've had few wins, that it would be madness to consider killing Fox until the very end game. Also, Fox has seemed to want to solve the game.

Ezio, while I clashed with him early on, seems very interested in solving the game. He is acting in a pro-town manner. He has aggressively pushed certain wagons, like mine and Dousing's, which, while wrong, still shows he wants to see flips on people he scumreads. While there are little ticks that make me wonder if he might be scum, and he is not so clear as Fox, he is very pro-town and he is the kind of player we need on our side if we are to win. If Ezio is one of the few players who is thoughtfully solving and is scum, we have lost.

MIDDLING TOWN
Col7by I am surprised to find myself placing this high. However, when I think about the statements that Col7by makes, they do strike me as being thoughtful. They are not formatted or put together in a way that make a super strong impact in the threads, however, and Col7by does not take charge of the reads he has - he more complains that others won't join him. Nonetheless, he is a strong middling town because he does appear to want to contribute to the solve, to read the game, and to vote out his scumreads. Any vote against Col7by would be an attempt to make a "hero call." This is a player who, if the game is further winnowed down, seems like someone who can be relied on to provide accurate, if brief, statements of their beliefs, and vote accordingly to their clearly described reads.

President Eden, while I townread him based on VCA, is acting in a way that to me feels less strongly town than the others above. Eden hyperfocused on the duel VCA and, other than that, has actively solved less than others, focusing on a sheeping strategy at the last EOD. This is a "middling" town because I am not certain how convicted Eden would be in the late game. I have no intention whatsoever of voting for Eden, I merely note this here as an opportunity for Eden to get more in on the solve.

BunnyGo has contributed a lot, but I struggle to recall strong opinions or pushes from Bunny. Bunny appears more to want to appear to be active than to make any significant impact on the game. There is a lot of content that Bunny has provided that can be analyzed, and Bunny at least makes thoughtful votes, so in the end, he is at least doing something and can be part of the middling town. However, Bunny needs to make an effort to be more concise and convincing.

worcej feels close to null for me. Worcej makes statements but does not appear to be solving, from my perspective. Fox may have had it right in saying worcej is playing a bland game. If worcej were to die and flip scum, it would be hard to derive much from his flip, because of the nature of worcej's game. But worcej has a keen mind and has made clear, concise statements. He argues and he makes his position known. Worcej is still very valuable to town.

NULLS
aarodactyl is very null. aaro has said quite a lot that I don't remember. He strikes me as waffling. He spends a great deal of time talking about his schedule. Ultimately, he is not helping contribute to meaningful reads for town. On the other hand, he is not doing anything to truly undermine town, so he is not someone we need to eliminate right now.

Bonatogether, while having pro-town moments, is actually somewhat anti-town. Without trying to make this overly personal, Bona's approach is to shout others down and call them or their arguments names. Bona at least does have decent arguments at times and also makes his positions clear (for example his hard drive on Flavius). But his attitude drives wedges and makes it harder to understand him. He ultimately is divisive when town needs unity. He is a problematic player and is probably the first one we would have to sort if we can successfully flip the three below without losing.

ANTI TOWN
TheMadMonarch is majorly passive anti-town. MM has not offered any meaningful explanations for any of her reads and has not shown any true care or interest in playing or solving the game. MM needs to be eliminated for town to have a chance to win.

JustAGuyNamedWill is aggressively anti-town. Will has said he has not read the game closely and makes provocative statements to no good end. Even if Will is town, his reads will never be beneficial to town; even if they are right, they will be randomly right and he will never be able to communicate them to us (if he even wants to). Will has to be eliminated for town to have a chance to win.

sweetandcool is majorly aggressively anti-town. sweet has, like Will, said he is not reading the game closely or analyzing his reads. In addition, he has fake claimed twice. sweetandcool is actually actively undermining the ability of town to make sense of the game. Sweetandcool must be eliminated for town to have a chance to win.

[President Eden]

This is a "middling" town because I am not certain how convicted Eden would be in the late game.

Funny thing—neither do I! I have not been in this position in years. Possibly ever. Two day/night cycles and 4000 posts happened with zero influence from me. I would normally have a much better picture of where I want to go, even if some of the destinations were wrong.

I have not actively tried to put together a POE, but I am literally 0-fer on scum so far and have little confidence in sorting the survivors by scumhunting. I do feel pretty good about several townreads.

Unfortunately they align almost entirely with you, so I doubt this adds much. (I would put Colby lower based on the merits, but given how little margin for error we have, I doubt we could vote him out, and he is way down my list anyway. I also rate aaro higher because I recall him pushing on Flum at key points that would be very bold—and needlessly risky, IMO, given our success—from a teammate.)

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Foosier croats

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Two guys walk into a bar

The third one ducks

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Ima get all my shitposting out while i still can so be warned

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I dont wanna die because of that foken meme

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Like, if anyone is wondering how i knew about it even tho i claimed to get on a few seconds before day change, i used the time inbetween the announcement of dousings role and the ‘please hold’ message

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Its not that hard to just look up a meme in a few seconds and put it in

[foodcoats]

Ima get all my shitposting out while i still can so be warned

Now is really the time for you to put on your big boy pants and help solve the game! If you are town, help us.

[brainbomb]

Steve: Mia are you awake

mia: its like 3 am steve are you still playing bg3?

Steve: No its.. listen when gale used the bomb it ripped a hole into our world. The illithids are in our world now.. they escaped the game

mia: Steve did you take those gummies we found in the parking lot?

Steve: yea but im serious, they heard we call ourselves the harpers… theyre coming for us now!

Mia: okay good night steve

[Bonatogether]

i see three people died actually?? (bongo vindicated in not reading past the first line)

well done to whoever on vecna

guys i'm almost to 5000 karma, please +1 me