M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[foodcoats]

One way that Dousing could be town is that this game is so big and confusing - 26 players is a lot - and he is relatively new. Personally I was barely following until D3 after a few people had been whittled down.

I guess I'm coming up with excuses because he doesn't quite fit in the scumteams I am tinfoiling. Heh.

[foodcoats]

Yoyo has voted for sweet a LOT and NEVER given a case.

If sweet were to flip scum, I think Yoyo's scum equity is insanely high.

[foodcoats]

Yoyo has voted for sweet a LOT and NEVER given a case.

If sweet were to flip scum, I think Yoyo's scum equity is insanely high.

(By the way I don't think the reverse is necessarily true. If Yoyo were to flip scum he could've just been going after sweet as LHF.)

[BunnyGo]

This is all bad.

##vote Pres

[BunnyGo]

Back to services

[foodcoats]

Actually sweet said he'd vote yoyo today, let me check what sweet has had to say on yoyo previously...

[foodcoats]

This is all bad.

##vote Pres

Bunny, PE is not the most logical vote today. Just look at the wagons D2. It seems reasonable that BM was scum because it was not activated D1 when Flum was up. Now if you look at D2 you'll see lfischl was a significant wagon that whole day. There is low likelihood PE is scum just based on them activating the BM when lfischl was up.

[sweetandcool]

I'll just start with this ##VOTE Vecna

Tomorrow will be another busy day, so other than being swayed by some arguments I will probably only vote Vecna or yoyoyo.

##VOTE Vecna

Sweet i don’t think I ever saw your argument vs. Vecna… and you voted him yesterday also. Why do you think Vecna is scum?

His attack on me seems incredibly agenda-ed

[sweetandcool]

Today might be the day to kill MM. If MM is town she is going to lose us at the game at SOME point so we have to get rid of her to have any chance of winning. She has conveniently vote-parked on a known town (from my POV anyway) every day, although this is statistically not scum-indicative (except that statistically Yoyo should be scum she has randomly parked on if she is town… statistically, or if wearing tinfoil could be an intentional end-on-a-bus move).

Killing MM does not feel great but I feel it has to be done. Or at least we have to decide, do we carry MM forever and just cross fingers she is town?

Thoughts?

I think it is better to try to catch scum.

[foodcoats]

Okay so I was checking up on sweet's yoyo reads. He says today he will only vote for yoyo or Vecna.

So I'm going back and I'm thinking, well, maybe he did legitimately come up with a reason to scumread yoyo. Here he says that yoyo made a scumclaim:

That's really nice of you. I've been having a wretched game. Also having fun!

Normally I am a very different player. I build some pretty intense cases. This game I feel like my intuition has been reasonably good, but because I'm relying on my intuition I feel extra paranoid and uncertain. And because I'm also relying on it, I can't properly make a case on anyone.

I feel very strongly Food and Vecna are Mafia, but because I'm just relying on what I've read and not digging into the details etc., then there is no hope of assessing how likely I am to be accurate, and there is no hope I help Town except by random chance.

Also, the GMs response was freaky fast, considering I did not even call him (too much GM, boo).

Well it’s easy to be paranoid when your confirmed mafia lol. When you’re town, it’s less paranoia and more like… that was some weird shit. I don’t know if I can trust that information

I keep forgetting about your scumclaim. We really ought to do something about that next phase.

But then I go back further, and... this is where sweet says yoyo made a "scumclaim." This is not a scumclaim, this is yoyo scumreading sweet. sweet has "scumclaim" on the brain even though yoyo did not claim scum (which, as a counterpoint, I did - in a terrible jest I now regret).

Willing to hammer sweet and vote end tomorrow.

Scumclaim?

Sweet, why do you scumread yoyo?

[Col7by]

I think today we need a vote for someone who talks a lot to give us the most info. Although I’m not sure they are scum or not I think sweet and bunny may be two of the best options at this point. I am going to try this train again and see what happens. Open to hear thoughts.
##vote bunny

[foodcoats]

I think today we need a vote for someone who talks a lot to give us the most info. Although I’m not sure they are scum or not I think sweet and bunny may be two of the best options at this point. I am going to try this train again and see what happens. Open to hear thoughts.
##vote bunny

Colby, this is not a good vote. I can imagine a world where Bunny is scum, but this is just not a good option today.

You know who consistently tops the list for talking?

sweetandcool. Try that vote on.

[foodcoats]

I think today we need a vote for someone who talks a lot to give us the most info. Although I’m not sure they are scum or not I think sweet and bunny may be two of the best options at this point. I am going to try this train again and see what happens. Open to hear thoughts.
##vote bunny

Colby, this is not a good vote. I can imagine a world where Bunny is scum, but this is just not a good option today.

You know who consistently tops the list for talking?

sweetandcool. Try that vote on.

Okay, I feel dumb for saying this. I'm not even 100% sweet is scum and I don't want to bully you into a vote.

But, you should look into the people you think are scum and find reasons they might be scum. Please don't just vote Bunny because he talks a lot. Find someone you think is doing something scummy, tell us, and then vote them.

[foodcoats]

Based on the information I have unearthed and shared so far, I think we should vote between sweet, yoyo, and Just. These are relatively aligned to the wisdom of the dead, as well. Although some people are saying my PR is useless, keep in mind that they are TOWNCLEARS. Their opinions are not misleading you. You may think I am, I guess, but... I'm not.

[foodcoats]

One reason I am softening on MM is that yoyo was calling for MM to be vig shot. I don't think scum!yoyo does that to scum!MM... that's a bit too reckless when then vig is town AND MM is not a bad vig shot to begin with (because she is hard to sort).

[foodcoats]

@Foxcastle you need to come back and make a more reasonable vote than worcej or come up with more reasons why worcej is scum. I just do not see it. He is deepscum if he is and he won't get him today. There are so many more problematic players.

[foodcoats]

Alright I need to cool my boots for a bit. Let's make the wagons good.

##VOTE sweetandcool

[foodcoats]

Also, be prepared that we have killed two GOONS. Scum on the block WILL CLAIM, and they can "truthfully" claim multiple roles because they can claim the actions of another PR on their team (e.g. if the BM is on the block they could claim a different PR they know they have).

Everyone needs to think about that and be prepared to deal with it. You need to know who your backup wagon is. Otherwise scum could use daychat and a claim to push a townie onto the block.

[sweetandcool]

Sweet you apparently scumread Vecna for:

-not reacting to your fake guilty claim on me
-Vecna's idea that you were tadpoled

Are there any other reasons you think Vecna is scum?

Sorry for the lack of quotes, no time to do this properly. I only looked at D4/N4/D5.

I'm operating mostly on instinct so it's not like I have a compelling argument. Yes, Vecna was online and did not react at all which potentially points to cautious scum. Otherwise, his push on me seems like it is coming from scum and I suspect it is actually him who was tadpoles.

[foodcoats]

Sweet and Will spectating deciding who gets bussed today lol.