M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[dargorygel]

Early Day Vote Count… with no flavor.

Dousing (2) Ezio, foodcoats
Yoyoyozo (2) Yoyoyozo, President Eden
worcej (1) Foxcastle

Most people have not voted.
Most people have not +1’d the GM’s flavor.
Most people are ugly.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

What's scummy about Bona's push on Flav, specifically. Plenty of other people were on Flav.

How adamant he was and how he was practically begging for votes

Sure I can get behind that.

What do you think of these wagons right now?

Ok I've tried to edit the quotes thing twice now and it hasn't worked well. I didn't realize I can change who appears to be the person posting.
I wonder if that's ever been abused lol
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They’re all bad except for maybe worcej and everyone except food voting rn is probably town

Including me!

##VOTE VECNA

[Ezio]

essentially what I'm getting at by asking y'all to look at Dousing and Bona is 2 fold.

1: I think Bona did odd wagon analysis. I talked to Bona for a bit on night 4 I think about the Wagons D3. I got confused there, which happens but usually when people say odd things.
What I find odd about Bona's analysis *now* is that it excluded *their *wagon. They were just arguing with other people about stuff even closer to EoD.

I find it odd that Bona hasn't talked about that wagon, and the case or pushes against them.
Whenever *I* get pushed, I can find people towny or scummy based on how they push. I tend to get decent reads out of it. I think lots of people feel similarly.

Bona hasn't done that. I think that's scummy.

Dousing in the next post

[Ezio]

2. I observe Dousing acted similarly with Bona as Dousing acted with Flum, on d3 specifically.

At different points in d3, Dousing was on the leading wagon of Bona then later Flum, and switched off those wagons. Notably, he didn't switch off *after* they were surpassed or anything: he switched off WHILE they were the leading wagon. Idk about you, but usually when I'm voting for a leading wagon, I feel pretty good about it.

Dousing
Day-3 00:16
page 247 / orig
↑sweetandcool: "Is it too late to flash Flavius? If he is Mafia it absolves Bona and maybe Fox."
We have time to experiment a little

@@VOTE FlaviusAetius

Let's get some info

These are the posts he made while he did it
"Dousing
Day-3 00:05
page 250 / orig
↑Dousing: "@@VOTE Flum"
Nvm, @@VOTE flav"


Both of the times it put Flav in front.
Then, at the end of the day, once Food took off, he hops off Flav and votes Food, once Food seems to be winning with almost no time left. It doesn't work out that way, but still.

This looks like scum being scared about EoD and acting recklessly, more than frightened towny to me.

[BunnyGo]

@Bunny could you explain why aaro is Mafia? Like do you feel convicted? Can you make a case?

Mostly that his posts focus nearly entirely on mechs and out of game stuff. If this AI? I dunno. But it’s not towny solvy aaro.

So about as strong as any of the cases you just criticized.

No. It regards his lack of in game posts of substance. He's made one or two since.

Ok...this is as caught up as I am. I've seen the Jamie flip, but nothing else.

Tonight starts the 49-50 hour holiday of Shavuot. The holiday commemorating when the jews were given the torah.

As part of the modern holiday, it is customary to stay up all night studying, learning, and teaching.

I didn't find any study groups to go to. But my plan (after my wife is asleep) is to stay up as late as I can reviewing the key votes, comments, and movements for days 1/2/3/4 including brand new coloring (sorry Jamie) and insights.

I hope we all find this a meaningful holiday study session.

[brainbomb]

A gm error was made
Nothing about integrity of game is in question.
Jamie was moved to god chat FYI and its my fualt

[BunnyGo]

essentially what I'm getting at by asking y'all to look at Dousing and Bona is 2 fold.

1: I think Bona did odd wagon analysis. I talked to Bona for a bit on night 4 I think about the Wagons D3. I got confused there, which happens but usually when people say odd things.
What I find odd about Bona's analysis *now* is that it excluded *their *wagon. They were just arguing with other people about stuff even closer to EoD.

I find it odd that Bona hasn't talked about that wagon, and the case or pushes against them.
Whenever *I* get pushed, I can find people towny or scummy based on how they push. I tend to get decent reads out of it. I think lots of people feel similarly.

Bona hasn't done that. I think that's scummy.

Dousing in the next post

I find this post very hard to follow. I cannot understand what you're trying to say. In particular you use a lot of pronouns that makes it confusing to follow.

[BunnyGo]

I need to re-read Bunny. He showed up to that duel like he was getting pinged on Discord.

I was at work in meetings all day; showed up when I had a moment. That's my truth; but maybe you'll read it differently.

When I saw what was going on, my gut reaction is that declaring a duel is what scum duelist would do to try and get credit. So I didn't let that change my read on him at all. I viewed the duel as NAI and stuck with my gut reads.

[BunnyGo]

OK, dishes. hang with wife time. then my study session.

[Ezio]

essentially what I'm getting at by asking y'all to look at Dousing and Bona is 2 fold.

1: I think Bona did odd wagon analysis. I talked to Bona for a bit on night 4 I think about the Wagons D3. I got confused there, which happens but usually when people say odd things.
What I find odd about Bona's analysis *now* is that it excluded *their *wagon. They were just arguing with other people about stuff even closer to EoD.

I find it odd that Bona hasn't talked about that wagon, and the case or pushes against them.
Whenever *I* get pushed, I can find people towny or scummy based on how they push. I tend to get decent reads out of it. I think lots of people feel similarly.

Bona hasn't done that. I think that's scummy.

Dousing in the next post

I find this post very hard to follow. I cannot understand what you're trying to say. In particular you use a lot of pronouns that makes it confusing to follow.

When you get pushed and put up as a wagon, aren't you usually able to get some reads on the people who pushed you? On who looked opportunistic and who didn't? Etc.
Bona did not do that, and didn't even appear to try. Bona instead only looked at wagons later in the day. Also, didn't say anything useful about those wagons.

[President Eden]

A gm error was made
Nothing about integrity of game is in question.
Jamie was moved to god chat FYI and its my fualt

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO who will I sheep now?!?!

[sweetandcool]

Had a nice day trip to the coast. Pleasantly surprised to see there is not much to catch up on. I'll read and then properly give the graveyard messages a look since earlier that was incredibly rushed.

[sweetandcool]

A gm error was made
Nothing about integrity of game is in question.
Jamie was moved to god chat FYI and its my fualt

I'm glad nothing bad happened. Because now I can just say it was hilarious.

I saw Jamiet posting in the previous game's GT and was so confused.

[brainbomb]

Jesus how many post game threads can one man get an invite too

[foodcoats]

How adamant he was and how he was practically begging for votes

Sure I can get behind that.

What do you think of these wagons right now?

Ok I've tried to edit the quotes thing twice now and it hasn't worked well. I didn't realize I can change who appears to be the person posting.
I wonder if that's ever been abused lol

They’re all bad except for maybe worcej and everyone except food voting rn is probably town

Including me!

##VOTE VECNA
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Why is the worcej wagon okay?

[sweetandcool]

A fell wind rustles through the moon-silvered necropolis. Skeletal fingers claw the earth and the restless dead awake…

HamiltonBrian: “Hmm ... what would those fungus people taste like, I wonder... would they make a good lager?”

Kakarroto: “Hey, brainbomb, what if I make a new character, Alleria Watersong, half-elf, mage, Queen of Covendale, travelling with her brother Vereece on a diplomatic mission, can I join the game again?"

brainbomb: "Absolutely not."

Kakarroto: "But I have her stats and fifty pages of background story and illustration pictures in all different kinds of poses already prepared! Please, I want to vote out ghug!”

brainbomb: "I said no!"

Kakarroto: “What if I vote out Jamie or lfischl?”

Diplomacy&Warfare: "Just give it up. You’re dead, why even follow this game anymore? Besides, it’s really Vecna who’s scum."

HamiltonBrian: "Pretty sure sweet is town, but Bunny’s reaction to him is strange… Bunny could be mafia."

Kakarroto: “Of course sweet is town! He’s a deadeye, alright. Bona, fox, Vecna, RHK… Squiggs probably all town, too.”

damo666: "I can see scum!ghug, but I think bona should be next. Can’t be arsed to read so many pages, though. Brian, what did you say about mushroom lager?”

Kakarroto: "Noooo, bona can't be an Illithid, he has to be a harper! I explained it in my background story!"

HamiltonBrian: "What does your background story say about the taste and nutritional value of fungus people?"

Kakarroto: "You should really think about making a character from the underground. Drow, maybe, or Duergar."

HamiltonBrian: "No thank you, I don't want to get voted out again purely for what my character looks like.”

damo666: "Did anybody see Balki?”

Brainbomb: “Mushroom people don’t have to slumber uneasily unless they choose to…”

HamiltonBrian: “I changed my mind, Vecna is probably scum. He tastes like a mushroom, too. Or maybe Flum.”

Brainbomb: “You’re all dead! Shutup!!!”

The sun rises and the spirits return to their uneasy slumber…

Okay, upon reread this can probably be read plainly as the dead giving their opinions about the game. I don't know why there is weird flavour stuff but whatever. As I mentioned before, Kak establishes authenticity by referencing the RPG that we played, which Food wouldn't know about.

Obviously if Food is Town we shouldn't have to be worried about distortion of the messages (not that I would expect him to mess with them as Mafia either, except possibly if we flip Necromancer or something).

[sweetandcool]

A fell wind rustles through the moon-silvered necropolis. Skeletal fingers paw at the earth as the dead begin to moan…

Ghug: “I’m so fucking pissed.”

HamiltonBrian: “I told you my mushroom lager was strong!”

Ghug: “No! About being killed! I’m a god damn VT. This sucks. I’m going to go paint my new house green.”

damo666: “More pints for me. 255pp? No thanks. Hey, can the dead have houses?”

Kakarroto: “I love playing the game even when I’m dead. Maybe we could start our own graveyard chat mafia game? No? Okay, well, I think that connection between Jamie and KotP, where Jamie totally ignores the self-vote when people pointed it out, plus his controlled and held back behaviour, points to him being mafia.”

FlaviusAetius: “Remember sweet thought DAMO was iffy but voted HB anyways. I think sweet is playing without actually playing - he's not married to any of his statements. He's a smart fellow and he's my top mafia read right now.”

Kakarroto: “Wait! Wait! I think there was one or two people who said something about those who get RB'ed should claim ... which is either a mistake, or a mafia move. In this game, the roleblock PM is only sent when there was an action blocked... so a normal VT CANNOT have that message. ”

Ghug: “Well, whoever is necro is probably just shit-brained town. Too bad they didn’t get RBd.”

HamiltonBrian: “I still think Flum is mafia, but that might be the mushroom lager talking.”

The sun rises and the dead sleep restlessly once more…

More opinions from the dead. I don't see anything coded. Kind of weird Kak didn't include a code.

[sweetandcool]

i found these in the antonym section of “good look” in my dictionary

If Food is Town he could do with being less antagonizing. He's normally nice and cuddly ):

I don't think I was antagonistic in these particular posts, though I admit I have been an ass elsewhere.

And FWIW this criticism applies equally to you, sweet. You're kind of being a dick this game and it's not enjoyable playing with you.

I already replied to this but I'm sorry you feel that way. I thought I've been reasonably pleasant but I suppose it's never pleasant to be "tunneled".

[BunnyGo]

A fell wind rustles through the moon-silvered necropolis. Skeletal fingers claw the earth and the restless dead awake…

HamiltonBrian: “Hmm ... what would those fungus people taste like, I wonder... would they make a good lager?”

Kakarroto: “Hey, brainbomb, what if I make a new character, Alleria Watersong, half-elf, mage, Queen of Covendale, travelling with her brother Vereece on a diplomatic mission, can I join the game again?"

brainbomb: "Absolutely not."

Kakarroto: "But I have her stats and fifty pages of background story and illustration pictures in all different kinds of poses already prepared! Please, I want to vote out ghug!”

brainbomb: "I said no!"

Kakarroto: “What if I vote out Jamie or lfischl?”

Diplomacy&Warfare: "Just give it up. You’re dead, why even follow this game anymore? Besides, it’s really Vecna who’s scum."

HamiltonBrian: "Pretty sure sweet is town, but Bunny’s reaction to him is strange… Bunny could be mafia."

Kakarroto: “Of course sweet is town! He’s a deadeye, alright. Bona, fox, Vecna, RHK… Squiggs probably all town, too.”

damo666: "I can see scum!ghug, but I think bona should be next. Can’t be arsed to read so many pages, though. Brian, what did you say about mushroom lager?”

Kakarroto: "Noooo, bona can't be an Illithid, he has to be a harper! I explained it in my background story!"

HamiltonBrian: "What does your background story say about the taste and nutritional value of fungus people?"

Kakarroto: "You should really think about making a character from the underground. Drow, maybe, or Duergar."

HamiltonBrian: "No thank you, I don't want to get voted out again purely for what my character looks like.”

damo666: "Did anybody see Balki?”

Brainbomb: “Mushroom people don’t have to slumber uneasily unless they choose to…”

HamiltonBrian: “I changed my mind, Vecna is probably scum. He tastes like a mushroom, too. Or maybe Flum.”

Brainbomb: “You’re all dead! Shutup!!!”

The sun rises and the spirits return to their uneasy slumber…

Okay, upon reread this can probably be read plainly as the dead giving their opinions about the game. I don't know why there is weird flavour stuff but whatever. As I mentioned before, Kak establishes authenticity by referencing the RPG that we played, which Food wouldn't know about.

Obviously if Food is Town we shouldn't have to be worried about distortion of the messages (not that I would expect him to mess with them as Mafia either, except possibly if we flip Necromancer or something).

This is suspicious by sweet.

@sweet why wouldn't scum!food be able to transcribe that information?

@anyone else scum!sweet being too believing here?

Sigh....dishes Bunny! Go do dishes! THEN DO YOUR STUDY SESSION!!

[sweetandcool]

TONIGHT… ON GRAVECHAT…
Deadly serious news - for the living

The undead are complaining that a Priest of Pelor is forcing them to touch his netherparts and should not be trusted. In particular the Bogey of Brian says the Priest may have been PR hunting. The Priest counters that the person he thinks is a PR is still alive.

The Ghost of Ghug says that Mad Monarch always scum reads him for “<expletive deleted> reasons,” but that her doubling down on her “<expletive deleted>” read even after he is dead looks like she is scum pretending to be her town self.

The Crypt Thing of Kakarroto speaks in tongues and is likely insane. We reproduce a quote from this disturbed undead for you here in its entirety, at the risk of the Gravechat hosts beings smitten by the gods, because we don’t understand a lick of it - and our journalistic integrity extends beyond the veil of death:

"Father Clement, oh dear friend, Pauli, Milka and Haakon wonder, if the Sultan has changed your mind, and turned you.

If not, take one of our Quinine, and ease your mind, because the messenger put the thoughts of us out pretty unchanged.

Also did you forget about Alleria and Persuasion?"

The Bogey of Brian believes dousing, food, sweet, with the possibility of 1 more in there from the tadpoling are mushroomfolk.

The Crypt Thing of Kakarroto believes that if sweet is mafia, then mushrooms are sweet, yoyo, jamie, Will/dousing; and if food is mafia, then food, jamie, Eden, Monarch.

The Phantom of Flav thinks sweet and yoyo are shroomlords and food is a Harper.

The Dirge of Dip&War would like to be included.

The Daemon of Demon thinks there is a correlation between colby, Bunny, and Eden. 50/50 on food. Monarch needs to go on policy.

The Persistent Fart of Flum says, “See you in hell, Fox!”

Okay yeah sorry no new revelations since I last responded to this.

Kak scolded me for not noticing his message last time and is worried I am tadpoled (probably not just because I missed his message). I don't know who the Priest of Pelor is, but the ghosts don't trust him. Food's role is cleric, which is a priest, but they also refer to him as the messenger.

And then obviously the rest of the message includes their guesses for scum, which notably does include Food.