M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Bonatogether]

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d3 vca
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question for @colby: what is your psychological insight on bongo?

First off is bongo bunny. Second I agree with your food aaro logic. I think one of them had a vote on flum in case they flip to show they were on a scum not knowing it would gain momentum possibly get them out (is flum is scum I don’t see another way this works unless the think flum isn’t realistic and want to stay out of it?)

bongo is bunny. i abbreviate a decent number of people with nicknames, but i try to make them obvious.

what is your insight on bunny's play, given that you know him in real life?

[aarodactyl]

Only issue is aaro isn’t a newbie and I think Bunny and him are friends irl or something.

Aaro is my cousin

Ah perfect so you should get a perfect read on them then

Every game, Bunny overestimates my solving abilities and then decides I'm scummy for living up to those abilities. I'm never sure if I should be insulted or flattered, so I eventually just stopped responding to it.

[Col7by]

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d3 vca
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question for @colby: what is your psychological insight on bongo?

First off is bongo bunny. Second I agree with your food aaro logic. I think one of them had a vote on flum in case they flip to show they were on a scum not knowing it would gain momentum possibly get them out (is flum is scum I don’t see another way this works unless the think flum isn’t realistic and want to stay out of it?)

bongo is bunny. i abbreviate a decent number of people with nicknames, but i try to make them obvious.

what is your insight on bunny's play, given that you know him in real life?

In game: before EOD2 dip said they thought bunny and balki were scum. Start of night 2 I follow up on hat saying we should look into bunny since dip was twin and balki was scum. It was overlooked and lost in the shuffle. Bunny then comes out hours later putting a refer on my back with a variety of comments about don’t underestimate me and that stuff I did seemed scummy. I read this as bunny seeing no saw what I said wanted to get my name out there to protect his own and hope people thought I was OMGUS (hope I used that right) on Bunny. I tried bumping these posts which flav responded saying that I was just trying to go after bunny since he called me out. As a result I thought flav and bunny may be working together and when my bunny train died I started the flav train instead.

Meta: our work games bunny is usually elimmed by day 2 out of fear by mafia or being too active the two fear him so it’s been hard to understand his game. I know that bunny is great at reading people and strategy at games in general but this game alone is the furthest I’ve seen him go. That’s why when bunny started throwing my name out there it looked like strategic crumbs I would expect out of him

[aarodactyl]

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d3 vca

somewhat complicated by that i was gone for a big chunk of the day except the very end

major wagons are greater than 3 votes, or ones i think are interesting

i'm not entirely sure how to work around the shorter day, because it does not linearly translate either to the broad phases of a day being cut in half, or to the day operating as the second half of a normal day only. there is a lot less discussion time, and i posit a lot higher base volatility as a result of that

first major wagon is on the yoyo. yoyo was in my first game and got subbed or died or something and idr him very well from it. fun fact! this wagon is just a silly goofy wagon because it gets no momentum. its three voters are demon (who drops a #stabthestandins vote before disappearing until eod), flav (accuses yoyo of being the lurker mafia in his theory of preassigned roles), and sweet, who later comments that yoyo has a 'good chance to be mafia'. deep analysis here all. really love it

the second major wagon is on food. it peaks at four votes. gorg is first, and doesn't list a reason on this day. too lazy to check n2. ezio is second, and says its because he sees no solving desire. true! jamie agrees, and places a vote. sweet follows. he says he posted reasons but i couldn't be fucked to find them. this wagon disippates for different wagons, but all of these players that are online at eod (ie, that aren't jamie or gorg), return to food. believe this is a strong reason to townread ezio especially, and to a lesser extent sweet, obviously conditional on how much you'd think they'd bus.

bunny gets to 3 votes for a brief period but it's like 20 seconds so i don't care.

flumigator becomes a wagon for the first time, and peaks at 4 votes from the period T-15:25 to T-4:42 - a giant expanse of time. one has to wonder why there was such a long time with little movement in the top wagon, and i don't have a specially good answer to that. flum's 4 (really 6, gorg is shot midway through this period, and dousing moves away quickly but is important to the wagon development) voters go as follows: fox, for d2 vca reasons (never moves), dousing, who responds to the anti-flum push from fox, sweet the sheeple, following dousing, aaro, who has a super bizarre sequence that i think merits quoting in full:

Anyways. From this read up:

-bunny has town vibes
-flum thinking bunny has scum vibes makes me think flum has town vibes
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Forgot to add a vote to that. ##vote flum. Seems weirdly attached to bunny who is very town-ish this game

guys. this is directly contradictory. i wouldn't be surprised if someone called this out but i don't remember if so (i only somewhat read much of this expanse of time). at any rate, he never address it. aaro also never moves his vote. gorg sheeps fox, pushing the wagon up to 4. gorg gets shot, and then jamie votes flumigator for his push on bongo. jamie and sweet both jump off, leaving this at 2 votes. neither will return at eod. my take on this phase of the flum wagon is that because it all boils down to quoting fox or making the same argument as him, which i interpret as there being at least some scum hiding in this. among this group of 6 (fox, dousing, sweet, aaro, gorg, jamie), i interpret aaro and sweet as looking the worst by this metric, because they're the most obvious copycats of fox - especially aaro. jamie has had a longstanding scumread on flum so less likely he's scum based on this.

yoyo temporarily becomes a major wagon again but still doesn't have momentum. also 2/3 of the voters are the same.

gorg becomes a 3 vote wagon before getting mogged by scum. many people have asked this question but i'm still thinking it over - why then? hard to say. someone mentioned the possibility of eden subbing in and hipfiring, which is firmly in character. ghug's last post was 13 hours before eod, and he gets shot at T-5:04, so there wasn't any new information from ghug that could have prompted it. perhaps they found pr crumbs? perhaps they just wanted to shitstir? in any case, there's no way to definitely read something into it, so i won't try to, except that it does increase eden's scum percentage, and that if he is the janitor, he won't shut up about it postgame.

yoyo's zombie wagon lumbers on. sigh. yawn!

bongo's wagon gets up to 3 votes again. to me, the most core interesting thing about this wagon is that colby is voting bongo for the longest time. i presume colby has some insight into bongo that's different from the insight we gain from interacting on a forum, so i'd like to hear what his psychological take on the bungus is.

i think eod starts at T-1:00

fox becomes the first real eod wagon. this wagon peaks early, but has a very long taper off, remaining above 3 votes up until T-0:02. This wagon peaks at 5, so most of the people on it stay on for a long ride. There are 6 people who vote fox at some point during eod. In order: eden (because of d2 vca), flav (because of a deep feeling of betrayal over there being no spreadsheet), sweet (hard to determine why, but he says the best case for scum!fox is the balki thunderdome), worchesjeg (indulging sweet?), and flumigator (for avoiding voting balki, and for wagoning dip). flav flips off to go me, and then bongo votes for fox (because he townreads me, the goat, just as my wagon was peaking). my take on this wagon is that eden isn't connected to anything early game and so this is just the start of him getting nailed down positions, and that the rest of the people here can be subdivided into d2 vca voters (eden kinda, flum, sweet), and the rando voters (flav, worcej, bongo). i'd figure that the rando voters are less likely scum than the vca voters, and that among the vca voters, sweet has the most obviously incoherent explanation.

i'm the second real eod wagon, with much less longevity than the fox wagon. my wagon goes from nothing to peak in just over 30 minutes, and from peak to non-major in the space of less than 10 minutes (not counting will's joke vote). momentum percolates for a wagon on me for a long while, but it is finally precipitated when food votes for me, who has been trying to get a wagon on me for a long time. his reasons are 'not pissing me off', 'vibes', and 'wasn't perfectly disciplined during eod2'. convincing? no, conniving. squiggs is the actual first voter because i'm not 'opiniated'. dousing sheeps food, and ezio votes me to save fox. flav votes me for d2 vca, and also sheeping food. i don't get another vote except a joke vote from will, which i'm not counting. the wagon doesn't get much momentum, and indeed, people start voting against it (see bongo in para above). curiously, every voter on this wagon (dousing, ezio, squiggs) except food and flav ends on food. i would point to that as the core group here, and i would strongly suspect one but not two are scum. my opinion on this is that it's squiggs, but that's not a necessary part of this analysis.

the first eod set is me vs fox, at an even 5 to 5 between T-0:22 and T-0:18, with 9 voters off those two. The flav wagon takes off during that time, and develops almost entirely from those 9. It also takes evenly from the bona and fox wagons until T-0:09, which is curious.

flav had had percolating mistrust developing for a while, which is precipitated by colby (who had sometimes expressed that flav was 'scummy'), with me rapidly following (for shutting down fox discussion). will joins as fox protection, and sweet joins a post later as bona protection. dousing hops on for 'info'. this is all in the span of like a page. flav votes fox for self-preservation. bongo votes flav to get off fox? idk. ezio also hops on. this is the peak of the flav wagon, as many of these people will go to food later.

the flum wagon reappears? why? idk. flum had been sitting at 2 votes (aaro and fox), with flav and food joining. food joining this wagon which is rapidly gaining momentum i feel is opportunistic and bad. demon makes his second post of the day by voting flum. who knows why. dousing flips on from flav but then immediately flips back. this puts flum up 4 votes to a total of 6 at T-0:05. only a single one of these voters (dousing) comes from flav. this indicates that it is primarily an anti-flav wagon, and given that flav was town, i would feel somewhat ok townreading people on this, except that of the four voters, flav died, food was opportunistic, demon was awol and bizarre, and dousing left after less 20 seconds, so they're all actually edge cases that that insight doesn't apply to. i think this wagon never had a chance of being the kill despite being up 6-4 only a few minutes before eod.

flav goes back up to 6, because dousing and demon (in his third post and vote of the phase) flip to him, down from a peak of 7 because ezio is starting a food flashwagon. that flashwagon starts at T-0:05. ezio says that he hates all the wagons (despite having been on me and flav in the past hour?). squiggs follows because the wagon on me is dead, with will and sweet sheeping squiggs. wagons are 5-4-4 at this point in time. worcej shows up to vote for flav, putting flav up to 6. eden shows up and moves off fox to put food up to 5. yoyo ties the vote. dousing and eden both try to untie, but just re-tie it. only food showing up to untie by voting flav saves town from a tie. i feel these last 10 minutes are marked by a ton of uncertainty about what is happening, so that makes it somewhat hard to figure out what's going on.

i think the counterwagons that were pushed as alternatives to flav are almost certainly town-driven. the flum wagon is entirely driven by special circumstance voters, so i don't draw any conclusions there. the food wagon, however, has ezio, squiggs, will, sweet, yoyo, all looking better. dousing looks good for the tie-break attempt onto food, and eden looks correspondingly worse.

tl;dr for the weak and illiterate:
i really like ezio here. sweet isn't too bad either.
assuming one of (dousing, ezio, squiggs) is scum. i vote squiggs but not set on that.
food's flum vote sucks and is probably scym
aaro's flum vote sucks too and is also probably not town
the non-flav wagons were probably town-driven, which implies that scum was either more on flav or letting town flame itself out.
ezio, squiggs, will, sweet, yoyo all look somewhat better, with those earlier (ezio) and later (yoyo) the best.
dousing good for the flip, eden worse.
question for @colby: what is your psychological insight on bongo?

That's fair thing to call out. It's already been called out a few times though, and I did explain it here:

Ok Ghug is scum. He's been on the edge all game and this clinches it.

Sweet and Fix probably town with massive egos who I hope get discredited soon.

Aaron is maybe scum because he said I was townish right behind voting me next post.

I have to help someone move tomorrow morning but I should be around before deadline still.

This is a fair thing to be a confused about. I was trying to say in my original post that bunny was townish which makes you scumish for thinking. Is townish behavior was scumish. But was half asleep at the time and I guess I flipped a word.

But also, now that I'm looking at it, that explanation post also has typos in it. I did try to address it though.

Essentially I'm bad at typing and reading - especially when I'm playing on mobile. I think I had originally written "flum thinks bunny is scum which makes flum scum because bunny seems town" and then I realized that was too long winded so I edited it down and left the wrong word at the end of it.

[Bonatogether]

First off is bongo bunny. Second I agree with your food aaro logic. I think one of them had a vote on flum in case they flip to show they were on a scum not knowing it would gain momentum possibly get them out (is flum is scum I don’t see another way this works unless the think flum isn’t realistic and want to stay out of it?)

bongo is bunny. i abbreviate a decent number of people with nicknames, but i try to make them obvious.

what is your insight on bunny's play, given that you know him in real life?

In game: before EOD2 dip said they thought bunny and balki were scum. Start of night 2 I follow up on hat saying we should look into bunny since dip was twin and balki was scum. It was overlooked and lost in the shuffle. Bunny then comes out hours later putting a refer on my back with a variety of comments about don’t underestimate me and that stuff I did seemed scummy. I read this as bunny seeing no saw what I said wanted to get my name out there to protect his own and hope people thought I was OMGUS (hope I used that right) on Bunny. I tried bumping these posts which flav responded saying that I was just trying to go after bunny since he called me out. As a result I thought flav and bunny may be working together and when my bunny train died I started the flav train instead.

Meta: our work games bunny is usually elimmed by day 2 out of fear by mafia or being too active the two fear him so it’s been hard to understand his game. I know that bunny is great at reading people and strategy at games in general but this game alone is the furthest I’ve seen him go. That’s why when bunny started throwing my name out there it looked like strategic crumbs I would expect out of him

this is interesting but not specifically what i asked. what would you expect bunny to play like, and did you expect people to respond to him similarly to mafia games like at your work?

incidentally, are you enjoying this game? i hope you come back

[Bonatogether]

can people not quote my post in full if they're only responding to part? jesus

[Bonatogether]

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d3 vca
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aaro's flum vote sucks too and is also probably not town

That's fair thing to call out. It's already been called out a few times though, and I did explain it here:

Ok Ghug is scum. He's been on the edge all game and this clinches it.

Sweet and Fix probably town with massive egos who I hope get discredited soon.

Aaron is maybe scum because he said I was townish right behind voting me next post.

I have to help someone move tomorrow morning but I should be around before deadline still.

This is a fair thing to be a confused about. I was trying to say in my original post that bunny was townish which makes you scumish for thinking. Is townish behavior was scumish. But was half asleep at the time and I guess I flipped a word.

But also, now that I'm looking at it, that explanation post also has typos in it. I did try to address it though.

Essentially I'm bad at typing and reading - especially when I'm playing on mobile. I think I had originally written "flum thinks bunny is scum which makes flum scum because bunny seems town" and then I realized that was too long winded so I edited it down and left the wrong word at the end of it.

curious in the extreme

[President Eden]

PSYCH! not a squiggspost, but instead something else.

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somewhat complicated by that i was gone for a big chunk of the day except the very end

major wagons are greater than 3 votes, or ones i think are interesting

i'm not entirely sure how to work around the shorter day, because it does not linearly translate either to the broad phases of a day being cut in half, or to the day operating as the second half of a normal day only. there is a lot less discussion time, and i posit a lot higher base volatility as a result of that

first major wagon is on the yoyo. yoyo was in my first game and got subbed or died or something and idr him very well from it. fun fact! this wagon is just a silly goofy wagon because it gets no momentum. its three voters are demon (who drops a #stabthestandins vote before disappearing until eod), flav (accuses yoyo of being the lurker mafia in his theory of preassigned roles), and sweet, who later comments that yoyo has a 'good chance to be mafia'. deep analysis here all. really love it

the second major wagon is on food. it peaks at four votes. gorg is first, and doesn't list a reason on this day. too lazy to check n2. ezio is second, and says its because he sees no solving desire. true! jamie agrees, and places a vote. sweet follows. he says he posted reasons but i couldn't be fucked to find them. this wagon disippates for different wagons, but all of these players that are online at eod (ie, that aren't jamie or gorg), return to food. believe this is a strong reason to townread ezio especially, and to a lesser extent sweet, obviously conditional on how much you'd think they'd bus.

bunny gets to 3 votes for a brief period but it's like 20 seconds so i don't care.

flumigator becomes a wagon for the first time, and peaks at 4 votes from the period T-15:25 to T-4:42 - a giant expanse of time. one has to wonder why there was such a long time with little movement in the top wagon, and i don't have a specially good answer to that. flum's 4 (really 6, gorg is shot midway through this period, and dousing moves away quickly but is important to the wagon development) voters go as follows: fox, for d2 vca reasons (never moves), dousing, who responds to the anti-flum push from fox, sweet the sheeple, following dousing, aaro, who has a super bizarre sequence that i think merits quoting in full:

Anyways. From this read up:

-bunny has town vibes
-flum thinking bunny has scum vibes makes me think flum has town vibes
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Forgot to add a vote to that. ##vote flum. Seems weirdly attached to bunny who is very town-ish this game

guys. this is directly contradictory. i wouldn't be surprised if someone called this out but i don't remember if so (i only somewhat read much of this expanse of time). at any rate, he never address it. aaro also never moves his vote. gorg sheeps fox, pushing the wagon up to 4. gorg gets shot, and then jamie votes flumigator for his push on bongo. jamie and sweet both jump off, leaving this at 2 votes. neither will return at eod. my take on this phase of the flum wagon is that because it all boils down to quoting fox or making the same argument as him, which i interpret as there being at least some scum hiding in this. among this group of 6 (fox, dousing, sweet, aaro, gorg, jamie), i interpret aaro and sweet as looking the worst by this metric, because they're the most obvious copycats of fox - especially aaro. jamie has had a longstanding scumread on flum so less likely he's scum based on this.

yoyo temporarily becomes a major wagon again but still doesn't have momentum. also 2/3 of the voters are the same.

gorg becomes a 3 vote wagon before getting mogged by scum. many people have asked this question but i'm still thinking it over - why then? hard to say. someone mentioned the possibility of eden subbing in and hipfiring, which is firmly in character. ghug's last post was 13 hours before eod, and he gets shot at T-5:04, so there wasn't any new information from ghug that could have prompted it. perhaps they found pr crumbs? perhaps they just wanted to shitstir? in any case, there's no way to definitely read something into it, so i won't try to, except that it does increase eden's scum percentage, and that if he is the janitor, he won't shut up about it postgame.

yoyo's zombie wagon lumbers on. sigh. yawn!

bongo's wagon gets up to 3 votes again. to me, the most core interesting thing about this wagon is that colby is voting bongo for the longest time. i presume colby has some insight into bongo that's different from the insight we gain from interacting on a forum, so i'd like to hear what his psychological take on the bungus is.

i think eod starts at T-1:00

fox becomes the first real eod wagon. this wagon peaks early, but has a very long taper off, remaining above 3 votes up until T-0:02. This wagon peaks at 5, so most of the people on it stay on for a long ride. There are 6 people who vote fox at some point during eod. In order: eden (because of d2 vca), flav (because of a deep feeling of betrayal over there being no spreadsheet), sweet (hard to determine why, but he says the best case for scum!fox is the balki thunderdome), worchesjeg (indulging sweet?), and flumigator (for avoiding voting balki, and for wagoning dip). flav flips off to go me, and then bongo votes for fox (because he townreads me, the goat, just as my wagon was peaking). my take on this wagon is that eden isn't connected to anything early game and so this is just the start of him getting nailed down positions, and that the rest of the people here can be subdivided into d2 vca voters (eden kinda, flum, sweet), and the rando voters (flav, worcej, bongo). i'd figure that the rando voters are less likely scum than the vca voters, and that among the vca voters, sweet has the most obviously incoherent explanation.

i'm the second real eod wagon, with much less longevity than the fox wagon. my wagon goes from nothing to peak in just over 30 minutes, and from peak to non-major in the space of less than 10 minutes (not counting will's joke vote). momentum percolates for a wagon on me for a long while, but it is finally precipitated when food votes for me, who has been trying to get a wagon on me for a long time. his reasons are 'not pissing me off', 'vibes', and 'wasn't perfectly disciplined during eod2'. convincing? no, conniving. squiggs is the actual first voter because i'm not 'opiniated'. dousing sheeps food, and ezio votes me to save fox. flav votes me for d2 vca, and also sheeping food. i don't get another vote except a joke vote from will, which i'm not counting. the wagon doesn't get much momentum, and indeed, people start voting against it (see bongo in para above). curiously, every voter on this wagon (dousing, ezio, squiggs) except food and flav ends on food. i would point to that as the core group here, and i would strongly suspect one but not two are scum. my opinion on this is that it's squiggs, but that's not a necessary part of this analysis.

the first eod set is me vs fox, at an even 5 to 5 between T-0:22 and T-0:18, with 9 voters off those two. The flav wagon takes off during that time, and develops almost entirely from those 9. It also takes evenly from the bona and fox wagons until T-0:09, which is curious.

flav had had percolating mistrust developing for a while, which is precipitated by colby (who had sometimes expressed that flav was 'scummy'), with me rapidly following (for shutting down fox discussion). will joins as fox protection, and sweet joins a post later as bona protection. dousing hops on for 'info'. this is all in the span of like a page. flav votes fox for self-preservation. bongo votes flav to get off fox? idk. ezio also hops on. this is the peak of the flav wagon, as many of these people will go to food later.

the flum wagon reappears? why? idk. flum had been sitting at 2 votes (aaro and fox), with flav and food joining. food joining this wagon which is rapidly gaining momentum i feel is opportunistic and bad. demon makes his second post of the day by voting flum. who knows why. dousing flips on from flav but then immediately flips back. this puts flum up 4 votes to a total of 6 at T-0:05. only a single one of these voters (dousing) comes from flav. this indicates that it is primarily an anti-flav wagon, and given that flav was town, i would feel somewhat ok townreading people on this, except that of the four voters, flav died, food was opportunistic, demon was awol and bizarre, and dousing left after less 20 seconds, so they're all actually edge cases that that insight doesn't apply to. i think this wagon never had a chance of being the kill despite being up 6-4 only a few minutes before eod.

flav goes back up to 6, because dousing and demon (in his third post and vote of the phase) flip to him, down from a peak of 7 because ezio is starting a food flashwagon. that flashwagon starts at T-0:05. ezio says that he hates all the wagons (despite having been on me and flav in the past hour?). squiggs follows because the wagon on me is dead, with will and sweet sheeping squiggs. wagons are 5-4-4 at this point in time. worcej shows up to vote for flav, putting flav up to 6. eden shows up and moves off fox to put food up to 5. yoyo ties the vote. dousing and eden both try to untie, but just re-tie it. only food showing up to untie by voting flav saves town from a tie. i feel these last 10 minutes are marked by a ton of uncertainty about what is happening, so that makes it somewhat hard to figure out what's going on.

i think the counterwagons that were pushed as alternatives to flav are almost certainly town-driven. the flum wagon is entirely driven by special circumstance voters, so i don't draw any conclusions there. the food wagon, however, has ezio, squiggs, will, sweet, yoyo, all looking better. dousing looks good for the tie-break attempt onto food, and eden looks correspondingly worse.

tl;dr for the weak and illiterate:
i really like ezio here. sweet isn't too bad either.
assuming one of (dousing, ezio, squiggs) is scum. i vote squiggs but not set on that.
food's flum vote sucks and is probably scym
aaro's flum vote sucks too and is also probably not town
the non-flav wagons were probably town-driven, which implies that scum was either more on flav or letting town flame itself out.
ezio, squiggs, will, sweet, yoyo all look somewhat better, with those earlier (ezio) and later (yoyo) the best.
dousing good for the flip, eden worse.
question for @colby: what is your psychological insight on bongo?

decent post

[President Eden]

can people not quote my post in full if they're only responding to part? jesus

oh

[Bonatogether]

can people not quote my post in full if they're only responding to part? jesus

oh

[President Eden]

don't kill: bona, demon, ezio, squigs, sweet, vecna, worcej
probably don't kill: bunny, yoyo, colby, jamie
could kill, but don't really wanna: flum, food
could kill, ambivalent: aaro, dousing, will, monarch
kill: fox

[Foxcastle]

Fair, but I would only point to the fact the votes so far have been D1 (chaos), D2 (Only 2 options), and now D3 (where I voted flav because I towned food)

I am curious how you consider the “rectangle” votes as a safe vote (when I went for yoyo). Explain more?

I'm not sure what you're saying about the different days. I don't think D1 was more chaotic than usual and you didn't really engage with D2 EOD. Maybe "safe" is the wrong word and we're talking past each other. My point is, there's a space where anodyne townies overlap with scum who want to look like anodyne townies, and the main reason to look there is that scum have an incentive to be there.

I don't actually know what the rectangle method is, despite trying to find an explanation in the thread. Maybe I missed it.

I was referring to the 4 way tie for much of D3.

I still don't know what it is. This is everything rectangular: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?word=rectang*&g=89

But again, your reads and vote on Yoyo in that post are pretty hard to criticize. Not because they're brilliant and tightly argued, but more because there's nothing wrong with them. So my point is, are you so very consistent this game because you're just having that kind of town game, or because you're scum trying to have the kind of game that looks very towny.

[President Eden]

not that anyone cares about my reads, but those are in alphabetical orders within categories, not order of strength of read

[Col7by]

I’ll respond here to you bona to make it easier.

1. Bars on his bunny plays at work he tried to get people involved that don’t speak much, poke fun at people and always seem helpful to solving the issue. The only times I’ve played with him he’s been town and targeted by scum day 1 so I haven’t seen his game involve
2. How does that compare to here? He seems to be playing the help trying to solve something and get people involved but I am not actually sure it’s been useful help. The post that felt encouraging was todays concerning the analysis on each remaining player
3. I’m enjoying it now that I’ve found my footing a bit. Wish I was playing a bit better. My only dilemma is the amount of posts it’s hard to keep up with so would have to play when I have more free time in the future for better commitment.
If I still didn’t answer what you’re looking for lmk and I’ll try again lol

[worcej]

I'm not sure what you're saying about the different days. I don't think D1 was more chaotic than usual and you didn't really engage with D2 EOD. Maybe "safe" is the wrong word and we're talking past each other. My point is, there's a space where anodyne townies overlap with scum who want to look like anodyne townies, and the main reason to look there is that scum have an incentive to be there.

I don't actually know what the rectangle method is, despite trying to find an explanation in the thread. Maybe I missed it.

I was referring to the 4 way tie for much of D3.

I still don't know what it is. This is everything rectangular: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?word=rectang*&g=89

But again, your reads and vote on Yoyo in that post are pretty hard to criticize. Not because they're brilliant and tightly argued, but more because there's nothing wrong with them. So my point is, are you so very consistent this game because you're just having that kind of town game, or because you're scum trying to have the kind of game that looks very towny.

So I'm confused - my arguments and reasoning for a vote are good therefor I'm scum?

This feels weird to discuss with you because I'm perplexed into thinking "because worcej doesn't suck right now he could be scum" is your argument

[worcej]

don't kill: bona, demon, ezio, squigs, sweet, vecna, worcej
probably don't kill: bunny, yoyo, colby, jamie
could kill, but don't really wanna: flum, food
could kill, ambivalent: aaro, dousing, will, monarch
kill: fox

My turn:
don't kill: squigs, sweet, bunny, food
probably don't kill: bona, vecna, will
could kill, but don't really wanna: demon, ezio, monarch, PE
could kill, ambivalent: colby, Jamie, flum, aaro
kill: yoyo, dousing, fox

[worcej]

Dousing is too defensive for my liking at this point and has entered into the ~scum~realm~

[Vecna]

woop woop

[Vecna]

kill me already chickens

[foodcoats]

A fell wind rustles through the moon-silvered necropolis. Skeletal fingers paw at the earth as the dead begin to moan…

Ghug: “I’m so fucking pissed.”

HamiltonBrian: “I told you my mushroom lager was strong!”

Ghug: “No! About being killed! I’m a god damn VT. This sucks. I’m going to go paint my new house green.”

damo666: “More pints for me. 255pp? No thanks. Hey, can the dead have houses?”

Kakarroto: “I love playing the game even when I’m dead. Maybe we could start our own graveyard chat mafia game? No? Okay, well, I think that connection between Jamie and KotP, where Jamie totally ignores the self-vote when people pointed it out, plus his controlled and held back behaviour, points to him being mafia.”

FlaviusAetius: “Remember sweet thought DAMO was iffy but voted HB anyways. I think sweet is playing without actually playing - he's not married to any of his statements. He's a smart fellow and he's my top mafia read right now.”

Kakarroto: “Wait! Wait! I think there was one or two people who said something about those who get RB'ed should claim ... which is either a mistake, or a mafia move. In this game, the roleblock PM is only sent when there was an action blocked... so a normal VT CANNOT have that message. ”

Ghug: “Well, whoever is necro is probably just shit-brained town. Too bad they didn’t get RBd.”

HamiltonBrian: “I still think Flum is mafia, but that might be the mushroom lager talking.”

The sun rises and the dead sleep restlessly once more…