M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Squigs44]

What the fuck was this?

Flavius was not scum.

What the fuck was the basis for this wagon, and which scum were on it??

Fun fact:

This is the first time Jamie gives a read on Flavius

You're lying, or not reading.

On D1 I strongly pushed back on D&W scumreading Flavius, and yesterday I strongly rebutted MadMonarch's absurd claim that Flavius was "known Mafioso".

Did you miss those posts, or are you just trying to shade me?

Your "strong push back":

I actually kind of like the FlaviusAetius wagon.
##VOTE FLAVIUSAETIUS

why

why

There's not a lot of competition in the wagon options right now.

That is not a reason for Flavius to be one of them.

And your "strong rebuttal" to MadMonarch:

There is day chat from day 1, they 100% did it this way, remember how everyone in the signup thread was like ohhh this is such a unique activity requirements? Guranteed mafia took that in stride and designated someone. Again as I explained to Balki who also thought I was crazy the mafia likely put people who were COMFORTABLE being in those roles. Someone who usually lurks? Put them in the designated mafia lurker role, no biggie, they'll blend. Someone who yaps a lot? Put them in the designated mafia yapper, no biggie they'll blend. Someone wo analyzes everything? No biggie, put them ind esignated mafia analyzer. Someone who skates by with ltitle to no actual input? No biggie put them there.

Thats how I'd do it
Lurker
Skater
Analyzer
Yapper

That's 4 so either you double up, or you have someone who can be more flexible. I said from Day 1 I had this thought but I didnt want to reveal it incase mafia caught on, and changed tactics. I started talking about this A LOT Day 2, so I think there's some benefit for osmeone to go back and check out those other roles, right now I think we can focus on the lurker since people wanted to go after a lurker anyways. I just think FISCHL is the WRONG lurker to go after, and I dont like that he's been the "go-to" lurker from day 1

Hate to agree with a known Mafioso, but this is insane.

People should do their own thing. As Mafia, your goal is to look like your town self, so for someone like fisch or me, that means not posting much. Other players have it different. There is no reason to do this. You may end up with a system that looks like this, but it won't be because you designed it this way.


Town points for Flav. No team would go for this, so its clear he's not in communication with the team.

Unless, he suggested this (no way, its insane), and the team said no. So now he's sharing it here for vindication!

What are you on about here?

Flavius is not a "known Mafioso" unless you are claiming knowledge that has not been shared in the thread?

@MM:

Insanity is not scum indicative.

None of this is a strong townread as you say. It's you asking why to a vote, and you saying that insanity isn't a reason to scum read Flavius.

[Squigs44]

When Jamie wasn't around for end of day 2 his first post was saying he saw there was a gladiator fight/etc. And then he caught up.

Today he appears to have decided to catch up without reading the flip first?

What are you talking about?

Why would I be shouting about Flavius dying, if I had not read his flip?

You're so tunnelled on your stupid scumread of me, that you're not even making any sense.

You replied to 2 day 3 posts before replying to the flip

[Jamiet99uk]

Fun fact:

This is the first time Jamie gives a read on Flavius

You're lying, or not reading.

On D1 I strongly pushed back on D&W scumreading Flavius, and yesterday I strongly rebutted MadMonarch's absurd claim that Flavius was "known Mafioso".

Did you miss those posts, or are you just trying to shade me?

Your “counter” here is weak when you have to reference a D1 position from over ~200 pages ago and rebutting Monarch’s random opinion last phase…

Why is it weak?

It is a matter of record that I loudly pushed back against suggestions that Flavius was scum, on two occasions.

Facts are facts.

[Jamiet99uk]

When Jamie wasn't around for end of day 2 his first post was saying he saw there was a gladiator fight/etc. And then he caught up.

Today he appears to have decided to catch up without reading the flip first?

What are you talking about?

Why would I be shouting about Flavius dying, if I had not read his flip?

You're so tunnelled on your stupid scumread of me, that you're not even making any sense.

You replied to 2 day 3 posts before replying to the flip

No I didn't.

My first post of the current phase was a reaction to the flip.

[Jamiet99uk]

FlaviusAetius (7) Col7by Bonatogether BunnyGo DemonRHK worcej President Eden foodcoats
foodcoats (6) Ezio Squigs44 sweetandcool JustAGuyNamedWill Yoyoyozo Dousing
Fluminator (3) Foxcastle aarodactyl FlaviusAetius
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) Vecna Jamiet99uk
Foxcastle (1) Fluminator
Unvoted (1) TheMadMonarch

If you see any issues let me know

What the fuck was this?

Flavius was not scum.

What the fuck was the basis for this wagon, and which scum were on it??

^^ This was my first post of N3 ^^

[worcej]

You're lying, or not reading.

On D1 I strongly pushed back on D&W scumreading Flavius, and yesterday I strongly rebutted MadMonarch's absurd claim that Flavius was "known Mafioso".

Did you miss those posts, or are you just trying to shade me?

Your “counter” here is weak when you have to reference a D1 position from over ~200 pages ago and rebutting Monarch’s random opinion last phase…

Why is it weak?

It is a matter of record that I loudly pushed back against suggestions that Flavius was scum, on two occasions.

Facts are facts.

Squigs did the work for me.

[Jamiet99uk]

Your “counter” here is weak when you have to reference a D1 position from over ~200 pages ago and rebutting Monarch’s random opinion last phase…

Why is it weak?

It is a matter of record that I loudly pushed back against suggestions that Flavius was scum, on two occasions.

Facts are facts.

Squigs did the work for me.

Squigs got it wrong and has made multiple statements about me which are factually incorrect, Worcej.

[worcej]

Why is it weak?

It is a matter of record that I loudly pushed back against suggestions that Flavius was scum, on two occasions.

Facts are facts.

Squigs did the work for me.

Squigs got it wrong and has made multiple statements about me which are factually incorrect, Worcej.

Use 300+ words to convince me.

[Vecna]

i wouldnt mind more generic "this is my view of the game" type posts.

Food is looking oretty good for his was ny first imoression, but theres not that much to compare it to. most thought is completely fragmented, meaning most people are unlikely to know where people stand currently.

[Jamiet99uk]

Squigs did the work for me.

Squigs got it wrong and has made multiple statements about me which are factually incorrect, Worcej.

Use 300+ words to convince me.

Let's start with something very basic.

Squigs has stated, twice, in this phase, that my first 2-3 posts of the phase were reactions to the previous phase.

This is factually untrue.

I have reposted my first post of the phase. It was a reaction to the final vote count in which Flavius was the top wagon.

Do you agree, Worcej, that Squigs was incorrect, in point of fact, about this?

[President Eden]

No I would not have been, because I townread Flavius. I had said so.

It was a stupid wagon. He was very towny. He put a huge amount of effort into asking questions, looking into people's motives, reviewing things that were happening. I don't think anyone this game has actually put more effort into solving, than Flavius was doing.

Mafia will be very pleased with themselves for removing his voice from the game.

Man idk. I don’t think he should have been a wagon. But I feel like he helped derail a solid Foxcastle wagon by freaking out over the spreadsheet thing. There’s more to being useful town than posting a lot and caring.

If you didn't think he should have been a wagon, why did you vote for him?

I checked back late in the phase and saw Fox wagon evaporate and Flavius and foodcoats become the choices. I held out for a bit vainly hoping that the Fox wagon would return, but it didn't, so I voted to avoid tie. (Hence my blatant flip between the two wagons.)

[Squigs44]

FlaviusAetius (7) Col7by Bonatogether BunnyGo DemonRHK worcej President Eden foodcoats
foodcoats (6) Ezio Squigs44 sweetandcool JustAGuyNamedWill Yoyoyozo Dousing
Fluminator (3) Foxcastle aarodactyl FlaviusAetius
JustAGuyNamedWill (2) Vecna Jamiet99uk
Foxcastle (1) Fluminator
Unvoted (1) TheMadMonarch

If you see any issues let me know

What the fuck was this?

Flavius was not scum.

What the fuck was the basis for this wagon, and which scum were on it??

^^ This was my first post of N3 ^^

Your third post is a reaction to the flip. Your first a reaction to a vote count. I'm a bit confused why you responded to both of those posts. When reading through the first time I assumed your first three posts were in chronological order and that you were responding to a earlier vote count. Because why would you respond to both of those posts repeating yourself with a response to a PE post in between.

My bad for getting confused there, but it still rubs me the wrong way how you are playing so much into a "I told you so" when your "strong read" of Flavius was just you questioning a reason someone scumread Flav

[Col7by]

My view on the game is it’s been very hard to decipher what has happened because of the battle master and other power roles used that haven’t given us as much info as normal kills would have. I think the flav vote is the best actual vote we can gather the most information from. Everyone seems to be collapsing in each other and nitpicking because of the lack of information we have gained. I think the key things to look at are balki supporters/dip haters D2 before battle master and the chaos during the flav vote

[Jamiet99uk]

What the fuck was this?

Flavius was not scum.

What the fuck was the basis for this wagon, and which scum were on it??

^^ This was my first post of N3 ^^

Your third post is a reaction to the flip. Your first a reaction to a vote count. I'm a bit confused why you responded to both of those posts. When reading through the first time I assumed your first three posts were in chronological order and that you were responding to a earlier vote count. Because why would you respond to both of those posts repeating yourself with a response to a PE post in between.

My bad for getting confused there, but it still rubs me the wrong way how you are playing so much into a "I told you so" when your "strong read" of Flavius was just you questioning a reason someone scumread Flav

If I repeatedly declare I don't scumread someone, does that not strongly imply I townread that person??

[Yoyoyozo]

In terms of ghug. (Much of this is in my previous posts)

I do think he was scum that was hipfired upon. He was second wagon (so no reason for maf to shoot), and it means that at leat some townies didn't like.

Much of what has been said to "confirm ghug is town" is that the shooter won't claim. Why would we want them to claim.

SHOOTER STAY HIDDEN. Claim on the block if you must.

They claim, they get NK'd. obviously.

We aren't calling for the archer to claim?
(I do understand that the archer A) has a second shot, and B) doesn't have info to give, but I think it's a similar enough case.


Anyway, I think ghug was scum and the shooter did good work.

I think we do a great service to the Mafia by beating around the bush. It’s easy to turn a sky into the ocean, but it’s hard to turn a forest into a city. I personally think it’s best to be less cryptic the more sure you are.

Yes I was suspicious of Balki, not as sure as I was about other people at the time. By far the fastest and most surprising flip.

[Foxcastle]

Balki was really good at putting me on tilt. I could easily imagine that if PE is scum, he just decided to pick up that thread and run with it (having gotten the summary in the scum chat). With Balki gone, the pressure on me was easing, but why let all the groundwork Balki did go to waste, right? So buddy Sweet ("I trust you 100%"), since he's pretty clearly down to vote for me, and take the opportunity to be offended at having his interaction with Sweet characterized as "sucking up" so he can then just be condescending and snide about thing like how I phrased posts.

[President Eden]

Balki was really good at putting me on tilt. I could easily imagine that if PE is scum, he just decided to pick up that thread and run with it (having gotten the summary in the scum chat). With Balki gone, the pressure on me was easing, but why let all the groundwork Balki did go to waste, right? So buddy Sweet ("I trust you 100%"), since he's pretty clearly down to vote for me, and take the opportunity to be offended at having his interaction with Sweet characterized as "sucking up" so he can then just be condescending and snide about thing like how I phrased posts.

Or, maybe I don't feel like dealing with you being a prick when I already think you're scum for objective reasons that you haven't addressed. (In fairness, I'm not sure how you would, but you haven't even tried.)

[BunnyGo]

my current worldview is something along the lines of: kakkarot was right about kotp, flum and jamiet being scum.

Scum killed him and tried to remove the focus off of those reads by forcing the flip on D&W to discredit his remaining reads. Whether they also did ghug remains to be seen, but it fits in the objective of obfuscation.

I think the BM was scum, to set up an overwhelming gamestate to induce the parasite to be accepted.

I also have a growing suspicion that they mightve recruited S&C, and that he was actively trying to defend flum at last eod.

Im not certain of this by any stretch of the imagination, but if I was the scumteam id recruit either him or dousing. Two widely townread players where noone will truely bat an eye if they dont die for a while. The ghug kill also fits in that narrative to further obfuscate whether a tadpole was accepted or not.

This tracks nicely. And I like your progression getting there

[Squigs44]

^^ This was my first post of N3 ^^

Your third post is a reaction to the flip. Your first a reaction to a vote count. I'm a bit confused why you responded to both of those posts. When reading through the first time I assumed your first three posts were in chronological order and that you were responding to a earlier vote count. Because why would you respond to both of those posts repeating yourself with a response to a PE post in between.

My bad for getting confused there, but it still rubs me the wrong way how you are playing so much into a "I told you so" when your "strong read" of Flavius was just you questioning a reason someone scumread Flav

If I repeatedly declare I don't scumread someone, does that not strongly imply I townread that person??

You twice questioned a reason for someone else scumreading him. That barely qualifies as repeatedly, and does not qualify as a townread. It shows that you at worst had him as a null read, earlier in the game.

It certainly doesn't qualify as a "strong townread" as you said

[sweetandcool]

im sorry but this reads really fake.

you stated you have great trust in my townreads. i told you on multiple occasions that flav was obvtown. you decided to ignore it and put that wagon in to play.

I feel there is a reasonable chance you were tadpoled or fooling me from the beginning and were directing attention away from certain wagons there.

I didnt wanna say anything and just observe you. I felt your progression was really good on fox when you came back on your earlier claims about scum theatre, stating he was a light townread now. I could really feel that too. but then you went and vote him out of nowhere during eod.

I wouldn't bother saying something fake unless I was trying to fool Mafiateam.

I didn't want a runaway wagon, I wanted to keep as many wagons competitive that I liked.

I decided to trust Bunny on Colby.

I haven't really jived with your reads since D1, so.....

youre making fakereads on people whose allignment youre unsure of to "fool the mafiateam"?

You wouldnt even know who youre fooling. this defense makes very little sense to me.

Fake reads? This response makes very little sense to me.