M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[foodcoats]

Bunny do you think Jamie is scum?

Squigs do you think Jamie is scum?

Yes*

*see my most recent reads list, or any of the half dozen posts I've made on Jamie, or my voting record the past 2 days

Very well, I disagree, but whatever.

I think we agree on Bona, don’t we? Would you make a bona wagon happen?

##VOTE Bona

Ezio would also join this wagon. Right, Ezio?

Ezio?

… eh… Ezio?

[BunnyGo]

Ezio says I have no drive or conviction to solve and I’m therefore scum. I am making the joke that he also has no drive or conviction to solve so we must both be scum.

Current events have given us all existential dread, anxiety, and depression

People have always had these things. Our current world state is not special.

Discuss.

[BunnyGo]

Solid take

Bunny do you think Jamie is scum?

Squigs do you think Jamie is scum?

Yes*

*see my most recent reads list, or any of the half dozen posts I've made on Jamie, or my voting record the past 2 days

Possibly. But not in my top candidates.

[Dousing]

Him being Mr. Carriage Key

Also I think this argument is silly.

Could this be Flum playing theater with Bunny? I mean the whole "did he/didn't he look at Dip&Damo's alignment" is so circular and inherently unsolvable that the pair could just bicker back and forth like an old married couple infinitely. All the while they can look like they're being productive without having to harm the reputation of their teammates?

Perhaps scum!Bunny made a genuine error and scum!Flum decided that it was the perfect way to attack-Bunny-without-actually-attacking-Bunny.

It doesn't even have to be planned, it just spawned naturally and turns out to be mutually beneficial to keep it going

Maybe it’s because it’s early and I’m on coffee #1 but Dousing is giving me Big Scum Energy with these waffly meandering say nothing posts.

Also I think this argument is silly.
This sounds like Flum playing theater with Bunny. I mean the whole "did he/didn't he look at Dip&Damo's alignment" is so circular and inherently unsolvable that the pair look like they’re just bickering back and forth like an old married couple infinitely. All the while they are looking like they're being productive without having to harm the reputation of their teammates.

HIGHLY LIKELY that scum!Bunny made a genuine error and scum!Flum decided that it was the perfect way to attack-Bunny-without-actually-attacking-Bunny.

It doesn't even have to be planned, it just spawned naturally and turns out to be mutually beneficial to keep it going

[BunnyGo]

Bunny do you think Jamie is scum?

Squigs do you think Jamie is scum?

Yes*

*see my most recent reads list, or any of the half dozen posts I've made on Jamie, or my voting record the past 2 days

Very well, I disagree, but whatever.

I think we agree on Bona, don’t we? Would you make a bona wagon happen?

##VOTE Bona

Disagree

[Dousing]

I agree I get no townpoints for voting for Dip&War, but I legitimately thought he might be scum.

Damo's behaviour was anti-town and I stand by my questioning and pressuring of him. Sorry, but there it is.

What weird reactions to pressure are you talking about?

Can you give a firm reaction as to why you claimed VT?

I explained it already to some extent, but I will expand.

It was around halfway into the day, in a game with short day phases, and I was the top wagon. I hadn't had much time to get involved with the game yet, and I already had usual suspects like Vecna, who enjoys voting me D1 every game regardless of the circumstances (lazy!), on my back, and Sweet who was voting me for tone rather than because of any kind of scumread.

So I found this frustrating, and I announced my VT status to make them fuck off somewhere else.

So you decided to go nuclear instead of just… defending yourself? You were voted, yes, but you were far from an actual wagon at that point.

[Dousing]

Tell me why Im crazy, because Balki also thought I was crazy and I bet he thought it was low hanging fruit at to take down a crazy idea but now Balk is mafia, something he totally didnt expect, and he was coming after me like crazy. I think Im so right for this

First off: I appreciate your extra white space.


Second off: the most coordinated scum team I was ever on was me/kgray/chaqa/and someone damo?

We coordinated interactions and miskills. Not style.

Style is too hard to fake. And is akdd add I his people hunt individuals.

But remember there is Daychat this time around, and the posting requirements were well known from the jump. In a normal game of mafia, those things dont exist, and you cant really control what your fellow mafia teammates do D1 since you cant speak to them until N1.
Not for this game though...the REASON people think Balki and Fox did scumtheatre was because it was POSSIBLE to coordinate that ahead of time, ITS POSSIBLE it wasnt just some spontaenous thing that happened

Tbh, if I rolled scum this game, I wouldn’t even LOOK at the daychat on D1 to keep me as authentic as possible.

[Squigs44]

Bunny do you think Jamie is scum?

Squigs do you think Jamie is scum?

Yes*

*see my most recent reads list, or any of the half dozen posts I've made on Jamie, or my voting record the past 2 days

Very well, I disagree, but whatever.

I think we agree on Bona, don’t we? Would you make a bona wagon happen?

##VOTE Bona

I'm already voting Bona, and have been since start of day. I'm still trying to process his posting yesterday. I think he's shown a bit more of what I remember from Bona in the past, but it lacks a lot of the cleverness and passion that I remember, so I feel like this is more likely scum!Bona here. But since I involved myself by picking a fight, I'm also a bit biased on thinking his argument is weak.

He's certainly still near the top of my POE, and I'm not sure I want lfischl today if we can give PE a chance to do something, so it's either Bona or Jamie for me today I think. I'm also not upset at a Bunny wagon

[BunnyGo]

@squig & Vecna & Colby & aaro & Flum & fox &jamie

You all wanted fish at some point day 2. He was a lead wagon. With lots of discussion about him.

I haven’t seen or heard any reasons this is gone but I think I’m the only one who has voted him today.

Wassup?

[Squigs44]

@squig & Vecna & Colby & aaro & Flum & fox &jamie

You all wanted fish at some point day 2. He was a lead wagon. With lots of discussion about him.

I haven’t seen or heard any reasons this is gone but I think I’m the only one who has voted him today.

Wassup?

He hadn't done much new stuff, so sitting on him for the first half of a day again didn't sound very helpful. Now that he's subbed, I'd prefer we give PE at least some chance to post before voting there

[Yoyoyozo]

Did D&W have a second ability?

tbh even if he did I'd kill 1 mafia for 1 town any day???

especially when you're talking 1 town that was being generally scumread and one scum that was being generally townread

obv it sucks we lost a town but I wouldn't change a thing ab the results of N2 tbh

Ok so the Eldritch knight is who D&W was. He's the one who made it Balki vs him. We voted out Balki.
The battlemaster says the second place wagon dies too. In this case, the second place wagon was a town PR. The battlemaster power therefore got a town PR killed, and we have no idea who used it. (It might even have been town).
If mafia used it, it clearly was an effective use for them, given how the day played out.
1 hidden power use=dead town PR (who would have been completely cleared after the balki flip).

Yes, I am content with how the phase went as a whole, considering going we did trade 1 mafia for 1 scumread player at the start of the phase. It wouldn't have even been a trade if not for the battlemaster power .

We keep saying, mafia got a town PR killed.

no they didn't? At that point D&W's role was used. He was just a regular guy now.

even if you want to say "Oh, but its a clear", guy gets murked by NK, like most clears.

Not sure the point in all this, but its less clear cut then some of you are trying to pretend it is.

A. Battle master is town that used ability before duel
B. Battle master is town that used ability after duel
C. Battle master is scum that used ability before duel
D. Battle master is scum that used ability after duel

Possible motivations:

A. Somehow thought that we had caught scum or would catch scum on by EOD2. I would go as far to say this is so unlikely that we should eliminate this as a possibility. Wagons change so often at EOD that it doesn’t make sense to that, let alone this early in the game

B. Saw that the wagons were locked in, and decided to pull the trigger. I would saw this is much more likely, especially if they already suspected Balki and feared a tie. This also works if they thought Balki would flip as town and wanted to avoid the mafia fuckery that might’ve ensued afterwards.

C. LOL I’m going to do the mafia a favor and not analyze this because they truly are doomed if they thought this was a good idea.

D. Simple. Get rid of a PR so they could take a shot at someone else at night. This must’ve been a very obvious shot because it failed

[Dousing]

##vote squiggs

This reminds me of when I was mafia and tried to get wagons on xorxes. Those were heady days.

I feel like this post should be easy to comprehend but I have no idea what you’re saying.

[BunnyGo]

@squig & Vecna & Colby & aaro & Flum & fox &jamie

You all wanted fish at some point day 2. He was a lead wagon. With lots of discussion about him.

I haven’t seen or heard any reasons this is gone but I think I’m the only one who has voted him today.

Wassup?

He hadn't done much new stuff, so sitting on him for the first half of a day again didn't sound very helpful. Now that he's subbed, I'd prefer we give PE at least some chance to post before voting there

Did his EOD 2 not set off fishy signals for you?

[Dousing]

Checks notes… drive… conviction to solve… wait…

Dude are we scum together??? I didn’t get the disco link!!!

What

Ezio says I have no drive or conviction to solve and I’m therefore scum. I am making the joke that he also has no drive or conviction to solve so we must both be scum.

Oh I get it now

[aarodactyl]

@squig & Vecna & Colby & aaro & Flum & fox &jamie

You all wanted fish at some point day 2. He was a lead wagon. With lots of discussion about him.

I haven’t seen or heard any reasons this is gone but I think I’m the only one who has voted him today.

Wassup?

I wanted to flip a lurker at the time because the lead wagons felt town at the time to me. I had some done a reread of them and they had posted substantially nothing. I was happy voting for any other lurker as well.

I also think that if the “2 top wagons die” role flips scum, it looks very good for them since they were a lead wagon before the duel.

And also I doubt Eden is going to be a lurker so I that reason is pretty much gone. That said, I think it would be very funny to vote out Eden since he’ll probably be close to catching up by eod

[BunnyGo]

Ok so the Eldritch knight is who D&W was. He's the one who made it Balki vs him. We voted out Balki.
The battlemaster says the second place wagon dies too. In this case, the second place wagon was a town PR. The battlemaster power therefore got a town PR killed, and we have no idea who used it. (It might even have been town).
If mafia used it, it clearly was an effective use for them, given how the day played out.
1 hidden power use=dead town PR (who would have been completely cleared after the balki flip).

Yes, I am content with how the phase went as a whole, considering going we did trade 1 mafia for 1 scumread player at the start of the phase. It wouldn't have even been a trade if not for the battlemaster power .

We keep saying, mafia got a town PR killed.

no they didn't? At that point D&W's role was used. He was just a regular guy now.

even if you want to say "Oh, but its a clear", guy gets murked by NK, like most clears.

Not sure the point in all this, but its less clear cut then some of you are trying to pretend it is.

A. Battle master is town that used ability before duel
B. Battle master is town that used ability after duel
C. Battle master is scum that used ability before duel
D. Battle master is scum that used ability after duel

Possible motivations:

A. Somehow thought that we had caught scum or would catch scum on by EOD2. I would go as far to say this is so unlikely that we should eliminate this as a possibility. Wagons change so often at EOD that it doesn’t make sense to that, let alone this early in the game

B. Saw that the wagons were locked in, and decided to pull the trigger. I would saw this is much more likely, especially if they already suspected Balki and feared a tie. This also works if they thought Balki would flip as town and wanted to avoid the mafia fuckery that might’ve ensued afterwards.

C. LOL I’m going to do the mafia a favor and not analyze this because they truly are doomed if they thought this was a good idea.

D. Simple. Get rid of a PR so they could take a shot at someone else at night. This must’ve been a very obvious shot because it failed

B & D didn’t happen. They had 60 seconds to process and decide to off both D&W and Balki

[Dousing]

My case on ghug is odd. I feel that he usually reads the game similarly to me. I think we usually react similarly to the same posts on the little stuff, and when we disagree he's usually better about explaining himself so I can at least understand where he's coming from.

My reaction to dousing is exactly the opposite to him, unless Dousing is a Xorxes level player that we'd expect to have solved the game already.

Dousing focuses most of his energy on defending himself. Do you really think so highly of him?

I’ll just pile on to agree that Dousing is weird, I need to read his iso but I am starting to think he might be scum.

It was either you or Squiggs that defended Flav for having a different MO to the rest of the thread.

If it was you than this argument is hypocritical. If not uhh… I just have a different MO to y'all

[Dousing]

@Dousing

Looking through your iso you literally never make any scum reads. Or town reads.

Please to give us 3 top towns and 2 top scum and why.

##VOTE Dousing

There’s no way you look at my iso and genuinely think this.

[Jamiet99uk]

Vig, you still have a few hours to flip MadMonarch and clear your name

How come you haven't altered your position on this, despite MadMonarch showing up and participating?

Are you sure she is scum and, if so, why so?

[President Eden]

Hamilton Brian (9): Fluminator Ezio Foxcastle BunnyGo worcej Vecna sweetandcool DiplomacyandWarfare damo666
damo666 (6): Squigs44 Dousing Chaqa foodcoats FlaviusAetius Jamiet99uk
FlaviusAetius (3): JustAGuyNamedWill aarodactyl DemonRHK
DiplomacyandWarfare (2): Hamilton Brian Kakarroto
kingofthepirates (1): kingofthepirates (lol)
Vecna (1): TheMadMonarch
BunnyGo (1): ghug
ghug (1): Bonatogether
JustAGuyNamedWill (1): Col7by
Fluminator (1): lfischl


three deaths? sheesh.


Balki Bartokomous (13): Squigs44 DiplomacyandWarfare sweetandcool Col7by FlaviusAetius ghug aarodactyl Vecna Fluminator Ezio Foxcastle Bonatogether lfischl
DiplomacyandWarfare (6): DemonRHK worcej Jamiet99uk Yoyoyozo foodcoats BunnyGo
ghug (2): Dousing JustAGuyNamedWill
damo666 (1): TheMadMonarch
No-Kill (1): Balki Bartokomous (BoldStrategyCotton.gif)


nice play with Eldritch Knight by D&W.
no kill night 2... suggestive of tadpole use or a save.

yea yea "low effort contribution" my mom said your contribution last night was low effort