M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[foodcoats]

I haven't felt any conviction or drive to solve. He's randomly kept calling me scum and a lurker when I was pretty active all day 2, but he seemed slow to the party on that.
Also his votes d2 are awful. Me->Damo (which always looked bad imo)->me->damo->me.
Finally, when the cards were on the table and it was balki vs dip, he voted dip.

This was his vote:
"
@@VOTE Diplomacy&Warfare

I guess?
"
There's no reasoning there. He hadn't previously scumread dip, and we now know that was the *wrong* wagon.
It was his only post in the final 5 hours of the day, with 15 minutes left. I suspect he was posting more in the mafia daychat than in this one.

Checks notes… drive… conviction to solve… wait…

Dude are we scum together??? I didn’t get the disco link!!!

What

Ezio says I have no drive or conviction to solve and I’m therefore scum. I am making the joke that he also has no drive or conviction to solve so we must both be scum.

[sweetandcool]

AGREED! But it seems like his argument is false now, though he still had good reasons for ghug soo and here's my response to you @ghug

https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/posting.php?mode=quote&f=4&p=407226

Ok I'm back to thinking Flavius is town, and also back to thinking our relationship is going to be exhausting.

1. "I say stuff not designed to look good." not "I say stuff designed to not look good." there's an important difference.
2. I was not being buddy buddy with Vecna. I noted that we agreed and sweet ran with it, which is weird but I'm struggling to find scum motivation.
3. Your contradiction contradicts itself.
4. Has anyone agreed with Kak's meta read yet?

A1. our relationship does not have to be exhausting just because I think you are a mafia
A2. also why do you think Im a town you cant just say that, arent you one of the people who are against naked reads? quoting something does not make it not a naked read

B1. there is no difference Im going to need you to explain it to me
B2. and you didnt push back against it until I brought it up thats the problem! Remember how Squiggs said you always pocket him? Then I said well he would know that so he wouldnt do it this time around. Well it looks like we found who you have started pocketing, Vecna!
B3. If there's a contradiction in what I said that is exactly what Im saying you dont make sense if you are a townie according to your meta
B4. That's odd isn't it, that NO ONE has commented on it?

V the contradiction I put forward V
"You saying this scummy thing is exactly the contradiction I put forward that you did
"So either your a big solver and thats unlike your town meta
Or you are a solver, and you all of a sudden dont want to solve until day 4""

A1. I think we're the sort of people inclined to butt heads with each other. That's all I mean here.
A2. I thought for much of day 1 that you were displaying an eager and open townie mindset. I could follow your logic even if I didn't agree with it and I could see your earnest desire to find the mafia. I doubted this for some of day 2 because your push on me felt disingenuous (perhaps some OMGUS on my part), but the post I was replying to showed some pretty complex logic that was hard to imagine scum faking, much the same reason I townread you in the first place.

B1. I don't intentionally act scummy. I act how I feel suits town best, which doesn't necessarily entail working hard to look good, which is more of a motivation as scum.
B2. I'm trying to figure out sweet's alignment. Following his direction to work with Vecna would be odd, but immediately calling him out is likely to just make him stop if he's scum, which then means I can't understand his motivations. I'm also not pocketing Vecna at all. Agreeing with Vecna makes him scumread me, which is something I know will happen.
B3. This is no longer in the quote so I'm not going to bother responding to it. If you'd like to discuss something, please don't snip it. Update: I see you included it. Snipping still considered harmful. To answer, your point still contradicts itself. Both options assume that I am a solver. One argues that I'm scummy for not doing it. One argues that I'm scummy for doing it. Neither option allows me to be town. That doesn't make sense.
B4. I think it is odd that nobody's even answering you, but the fact is that nobody has agreed and almost everyone here has played with me a lot.

A2. Look at Balki just because someone has good analysis doesnt make them a good not a mafia, the real way to find how people are mafia is to find their MOTIVATIONS behind their analysis; that MOTIVATION will lead a breadcrumb trail right back to their PARTNERS

B1. You know what would be best for town right now? If people could actually get a solid read on you, MANY people have commented you have spoken a lot but arent readable...not good

B2. First off you can't just not pocket Vecna because you know he'll scumread you for it. Now you are just being contrarian, this is what I suspect you would do if your past meta was to pocket people as mafia. It seems you have a very convuluted reason to act scummy to catch sweet. Why? What was so impotant about sweet that YOU need to catch him in this VERY specific way? I dont buy it

B3. Yes I agree! Which is why I found it weird you were making that argument...to my response both of your interpretations of your argument made it seem scummy no matter which way it went THAT is a problem.

B4. Well thats true, its part of the reason I no longer think you are a mafia.

A1. Well thank you for responding anyways. I think this conversation has run its course, you can keep responding or not, I think I need to come up with NEW reasons to think you are mafia now
[/quote]

This is what happens when several posts are caught inbreeding. Such a sad tragic mutant

[foodcoats]

I think my wagon pool remains:
lfischl
Jamie

<gap>

Bona
Bunny
Ezio
MadMonarch
Yoyo
Foodcoats

Yoyoyozo (3) DemonRHK FlaviusAetius sweetandcool
foodcoats (2) ghug Ezio
BunnyGo (2) Col7by Fluminator
Bonatogether (1) Squigs44
Jamiet99uk (1) foodcoats
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) Vecna
DemonRHK (1) Yoyoyozo
ghug (1) worcej

I'm not terribly upset at today so far tho

you actually still think ezio is scummy? he looks very towny to me so far. very sharp in the places i expect him to be.

Can you elucidate? I do not know Ezio and he does not seem towny to me. What specifically in his play based on his meta is making you strongly town read him?

[foodcoats]

Fluminator, do you realise, if Bunny is scum, he would not need to look on the Bot to know Balki's alignment and role?

He would read the final Vote Count, see that Balki had been killed, and would not even need to read down the page to learn what Balki had flipped. He would already know that information because he would have learned it in the Mafia chat as soon as the game began.

You however appear to think it is true that he did scroll down to read about Balki's flip, but then a lie that he did not keep reading the rest of the page.

The way you are constructing your view of these little details does not seem quite right to me.

:O

That is an incredibly plausible explanation. Bunny already knew Balki was Mafia. Hmmmmm, so then Battle Master WAS Town? I don't know.

Hmmmm, I'll have to review the evidence. This might settle Bunny's alignment one way or another.

what?

theres plenty of reasons to be suspicious of bunny.

the thing flum is pushing could be done by any allignment. If bunny is scum youre only making him look better by giving him a reason to be rightfully pissed for being pushed for some nonsense.

What are the other reasons you think Bunny is scummy, Vecna?

[sweetandcool]

I think thats false we tag teamed flum D1 and you seemed very excited then, we even had a wagon going and were actively trying to find information on Flum to get the wagon to be te most successful, then it all fell apart when people joined us before we could. Werent you also anti damo tho? So you are actually 2/3

Oof just went back you actually voted HB, so wdym 2nd one? You were just correct on the Balki vs. Dip thing, which...13 people were.

If you looked closer I did not want to vote Ham, but I did not want a tie and it was clear only Ham and damo were options.

I townread Ham.
I was iffy on damo, butbefore EoD1 I concluded he was a PR.
I townread Kak, but thought his reads were awful.
I defended Dip hard from beginning to end.
I scammed Balki most of D2.

Yes, I am fire.

wait wait wait, you were IFFY on damo and voted HB anyways? No way you just said that

There ya go, sport.

[foodcoats]

What is the case on ghug?

My case on ghug is odd. I feel that he usually reads the game similarly to me. I think we usually react similarly to the same posts on the little stuff, and when we disagree he's usually better about explaining himself so I can at least understand where he's coming from.

My reaction to dousing is exactly the opposite to him, unless Dousing is a Xorxes level player that we'd expect to have solved the game already.

Dousing focuses most of his energy on defending himself. Do you really think so highly of him?

I’ll just pile on to agree that Dousing is weird, I need to read his iso but I am starting to think he might be scum.

[foodcoats]

I will ##vote foodcoats here. I would love for the wagons today to be between foodcoats, bona, and yoyo.

What is your scum case on me, bona, and yoyo?

He presented a case on you, in some detail.

I asked my question before he presented it.

He has yet (as i catch up at least) to provide reasoning for bona and yoyo.

[foodcoats]

BRUH JAMIE

Jamiet99uk just a scummy boy about the main thread

What is scummy about introducing an element of doubt about my previously claimed VT status, during the night?

That maybe you legit forgot you claimed VT.

[foodcoats]

He's been lame.

Can you come up with a better argument now that it is D3, or are you the one who is lame?

He's not voting you anymore, birdface.

You need to do some brain exercises to keep that middle aged brain in shape too. Drop a dumbbell on your head maybe.

[foodcoats]

Both, I suppose. Or perhaps neither? You can talk about it in your daychat.

I told Ezio to send me the link. While I’m waiting, why don’t you tell me why you scumread Flum, and what the strategic value in creating a Flum wagon is, irrespective of his alignment?

I'll answer your question with a question: why wasn't the Battle Master activated D1?

Sweet

I answered your question

Now answer mine

[sweetandcool]

I told Ezio to send me the link. While I’m waiting, why don’t you tell me why you scumread Flum, and what the strategic value in creating a Flum wagon is, irrespective of his alignment?

I'll answer your question with a question: why wasn't the Battle Master activated D1?

Sweet

I answered your question

Now answer mine

You already answered your own question.

[foodcoats]

@Dousing

Looking through your iso you literally never make any scum reads. Or town reads.

Please to give us 3 top towns and 2 top scum and why.

##VOTE Dousing

[foodcoats]

I'll answer your question with a question: why wasn't the Battle Master activated D1?

Sweet

I answered your question

Now answer mine

You already answered your own question.

No, because I want to know why YOU voted Flum.

[foodcoats]

Forgot to add a vote to that. ##vote flum. Seems weirdly attached to bunny who is very town-ish this game

Aaro literally in your post IMMEDIATELY before this you say that Flum’s attachment to Bunny is town-indicative:

Anyways. From this read up:

-bunny has town vibes
-flum thinking bunny has scum vibes makes me think flum has town vibes
-Jamie’s shitposting is 54% funnier with the chaqa pfp
-flav has town vibes. I’ve settled on their posting being an anti-town town rather than scum
-I really enjoy bona’s comments. That just aesthetics though and I think him pushing on flav so much feels scummy
-this “spreadsheets full of takes” feels 2012 election to me. Also I enjoy a good Poe as much as anyone else but the process of actually doing it always feels pretty arbitrary and I doubt it works
-still stand by fox being town now that Balki flipped scum
-I think it’s funny that someone (I think jamiet but I could be misremembering and I can’t be bothered to check) is upset people didn’t consider the possibility of a doc save. I think it’s ironic considering no one (including them) has considered that scum just passed to mess with us and distract with mechanics. (This take is just a joke tbh)
-I’m on the fence on if the “top 2 die” role was scum or town. It seems there were a lot of arguments for both. I’m hoping it’s scum and we happen to flip them and we get to remove the uncertainty (or we flip enough scum pr to rule out that as an option).

Dafuq?

[TheMadMonarch]

Work was normal, gonna read through and then go to bed. Maybe change my vote, maybe you get a bit of commentary out of me. We'll see

[TheMadMonarch]

Huh? Battlemaster got a town PR killed. If mafia used it, did they make a mistake?

Did D&W have a second ability?

tbh even if he did I'd kill 1 mafia for 1 town any day???

especially when you're talking 1 town that was being generally scumread and one scum that was being generally townread

obv it sucks we lost a town but I wouldn't change a thing ab the results of N2 tbh

Ok so the Eldritch knight is who D&W was. He's the one who made it Balki vs him. We voted out Balki.
The battlemaster says the second place wagon dies too. In this case, the second place wagon was a town PR. The battlemaster power therefore got a town PR killed, and we have no idea who used it. (It might even have been town).
If mafia used it, it clearly was an effective use for them, given how the day played out.
1 hidden power use=dead town PR (who would have been completely cleared after the balki flip).

Yes, I am content with how the phase went as a whole, considering going we did trade 1 mafia for 1 scumread player at the start of the phase. It wouldn't have even been a trade if not for the battlemaster power .

We keep saying, mafia got a town PR killed.

no they didn't? At that point D&W's role was used. He was just a regular guy now.

even if you want to say "Oh, but its a clear", guy gets murked by NK, like most clears.

Not sure the point in all this, but its less clear cut then some of you are trying to pretend it is.

[foodcoats]

Forgot to add a vote to that. ##vote flum. Seems weirdly attached to bunny who is very town-ish this game

Aaro literally in your post IMMEDIATELY before this you say that Flum’s attachment to Bunny is town-indicative:

Anyways. From this read up:

-bunny has town vibes
-flum thinking bunny has scum vibes makes me think flum has town vibes
-Jamie’s shitposting is 54% funnier with the chaqa pfp
-flav has town vibes. I’ve settled on their posting being an anti-town town rather than scum
-I really enjoy bona’s comments. That just aesthetics though and I think him pushing on flav so much feels scummy
-this “spreadsheets full of takes” feels 2012 election to me. Also I enjoy a good Poe as much as anyone else but the process of actually doing it always feels pretty arbitrary and I doubt it works
-still stand by fox being town now that Balki flipped scum
-I think it’s funny that someone (I think jamiet but I could be misremembering and I can’t be bothered to check) is upset people didn’t consider the possibility of a doc save. I think it’s ironic considering no one (including them) has considered that scum just passed to mess with us and distract with mechanics. (This take is just a joke tbh)
-I’m on the fence on if the “top 2 die” role was scum or town. It seems there were a lot of arguments for both. I’m hoping it’s scum and we happen to flip them and we get to remove the uncertainty (or we flip enough scum pr to rule out that as an option).

Dafuq?

Aaro please also provide 3 top town reads and 2 top scum reads.

What I see in your iso is a lot of words but not many reads. Combined with you literally voting for a townread of yours… I feel like your reads are fake and you forgot and messed up here.

Aaro scum stock rising!

[TheMadMonarch]

Oh!

I also wanted to note that I thought it was funny when someone just made up that I was subbing out. Gave me a good little chuckle.

[foodcoats]

Oh!

I also wanted to note that I thought it was funny when someone just made up that I was subbing out. Gave me a good little chuckle.

MM who do you think is town?

[TheMadMonarch]

##VOTE ghug

I've just got a gut feeling about him.

I don't have a ton else, due to not having read half the thread

Typical

The voting you or not reading?