M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[foodcoats]

Huh? Battlemaster got a town PR killed. If mafia used it, did they make a mistake?

Did D&W have a second ability?

tbh even if he did I'd kill 1 mafia for 1 town any day???

especially when you're talking 1 town that was being generally scumread and one scum that was being generally townread

obv it sucks we lost a town but I wouldn't change a thing ab the results of N2 tbh

Ok so the Eldritch knight is who D&W was. He's the one who made it Balki vs him. We voted out Balki.
The battlemaster says the second place wagon dies too. In this case, the second place wagon was a town PR. The battlemaster power therefore got a town PR killed, and we have no idea who used it. (It might even have been town).
If mafia used it, it clearly was an effective use for them, given how the day played out.
1 hidden power use=dead town PR (who would have been completely cleared after the balki flip).

Yes, I am content with how the phase went as a whole, considering going we did trade 1 mafia for 1 scumread player at the start of the phase. It wouldn't have even been a trade if not for the battlemaster power .

I’m wondering if Ezio comes back around to his case on bona and yoyo who he claims are scum with me, since this post is after I pointed out his rationale waa lacking.

[FlaviusAetius]

Will and Yoyo on Balki's list is not looking good for them two ngl

[foodcoats]

I will ##vote foodcoats here. I would love for the wagons today to be between foodcoats, bona, and yoyo.

What is your scum case on me, bona, and yoyo?

what is your contribution?

Go find my recent scum case on you, for example?

Why are you white knighting Ezio? What alignment do you think Ezio is and why?

[BunnyGo]

Balki’s response to the duel suggests he knows he’s done

WHO BALKI THOUGHT WAS TOWN AT EOD2(and therefore knew he was going to die, and these reads would be suspected as mafia)
Dip, Squigs, Bunny, Vecna, foodcoats, DemonRHK, Flum

WHO BALKI THOUGHT WAS MAFIA AT EOD2(and therefore knew he was going to die, and these reads would be suspected as town)
Will, Yoyo, Dousing, Ghug, MadMonarch

Everything post duel from him is WIFOM if scum had BM

[BunnyGo]

##vote balki
I assumed dip is town really disappointed with the votes on them

I mean it's a 50/50 IMO, he could easily be scum trying to get a town killed before he goes

A wild fish appears and is more caught up than ghug who just voted for a non duelist

[FlaviusAetius]

##Vote yoyo
Historically replaced players have a higher likelihood of being mafia aligned.
Bai.

Id lie you to have a different reason than just this before we stabthesubs

[Jamiet99uk]

Why food? I havent seen the argument for it yet

I haven't felt any conviction or drive to solve. He's randomly kept calling me scum and a lurker when I was pretty active all day 2, but he seemed slow to the party on that.
Also his votes d2 are awful. Me->Damo (which always looked bad imo)->me->damo->me.
Finally, when the cards were on the table and it was balki vs dip, he voted dip.

This was his vote:
"
@@VOTE Diplomacy&Warfare

I guess?
"
There's no reasoning there. He hadn't previously scumread dip, and we now know that was the *wrong* wagon.
It was his only post in the final 5 hours of the day, with 15 minutes left. I suspect he was posting more in the mafia daychat than in this one.

Checks notes… drive… conviction to solve… wait…

Dude are we scum together??? I didn’t get the disco link!!!

Mafia Day Chat is always on: The mafia can talk at all times, any time, by simply going into the Disco. The mafia chat does not close during days, or at nights, and the Disco is always on!

[FlaviusAetius]

like*

[BunnyGo]

It's possible that Balki is scum, though unlikely.
I suggest nobody endvotes.

End votes?!

[FlaviusAetius]

I disagree with this assessment. The wagons were 10-9 with Balki in the lead, but Balki was self voting at the time. With me voting it makes it 11-9
Assuming Balki switches back, it would still only be 10-10. My vote essentially only tied it, with 5 minutes left in the phase. If I vote dip, the EoD wagons might have flipped.

Foxcastle and Bona both voted after me and explicitly stated the only reason they did so was to avoid the tie.
Here's foxcastle:
"↑Vecna: "we need a bigger gap so it cant be tied"
UGH

@@VOTE BALKI
"

and here's bona:

"@@vote balki

tie avoidance, prefer the other kill
"


If I'm on Dip, that doesn't happen.

Trueee Ezio could have saved Balki here, and Balki was townread by a BUNCH of people, A LOT of people thought it was TvT, no way a mafia strat would be to take down Balki when he could have been saved. Ezio is a town

This is too black and white for my liking. A bus is still very possible here. And I don't really agree with Ezio's assertions on thread sentiment. The people he cites were already on Dip, so it's not like they were new potential votes to save Balki.

I think my assertion on thread sentiment may have also been too strong, but I stand by my argument.

Well I think the mafia did battlemaster so this is really no longer true

[BunnyGo]

this is tragic

Hi lfischl how are you?

not bad, trying to understand the play, I only voted D&W originally to break the tie between him and myself, and I think most likely both are town which sucks

Scum

[FlaviusAetius]

It's possible that Balki is scum, though unlikely.
I suggest nobody endvotes.

End votes?!

ngl i dont even think anyone brough that up whyd he mention it whooo knows

[Jamiet99uk]

I thought you were a VT?

BRUH JAMIE

Jamiet99uk just a scummy boy about the main thread

What is scummy about introducing an element of doubt about my previously claimed VT status, during the night?

[FlaviusAetius]

My theory is ghug is probably mafia that was saved by his team using the 2 wagons power up

I have an inkling that the mafia team is shitting the bed and ghug was someone they wanted to keep alive

you are so crazy for thinking this you do realize that wasting TWO pr's to save ONE person at the expense of another??
and we KNOW Dip used the duelist so this is just factually not true

[foodcoats]

Bona’s day yesterday actually is a little weird.

He made several comments clearly indicating he scumread Dip (sarcastically). He made a single post saying he would kill Balki. Towards end of day he actually mostly mentions killing Balki, votes Balki, then jumps to Dip and ties the wagons, and moves back to Balki once it has a firm majority. He also throws in tying and suggests killing both of them.

A particularly weird very EOD statement:

this eod sucks so hard

But… he clearly scumread Dip, and said he’d be okay killing Balki! It seems like an ideal EOD based on what he had stated during the day.

Bona can you comment on why you did not like that EOD even though earlier in the day you were basically scumming both of them?

because i hate the idea of a dueler role. one of my main information-gathering methods is vca and it removed that.

the pr claim i read as towny, so i felt there was nothing to do but kill balki. also balki claimed vt, and i then read his last reads as towny, so i thought the PR had blown a day by making it TvT, but both of them irritated me

I guess if you scumread both of them I still found it weird for you to decide the whole thing “sucked,” and at least insofar as what you put down on paper at the time you never changed your reads. But you were unhappy with what was for you SvS. Weird no?

[FlaviusAetius]

BRUH JAMIE

Jamiet99uk just a scummy boy about the main thread

What is scummy about introducing an element of doubt about my previously claimed VT status, during the night?

whats with these big brain ooo im gonna trick the mafia plays by people, we dont KNOW you are a townie so these things that you do(not just you jamie other people be doing it too) just make us think you are mafia...which is WHAT the mafia WANT

[Jamiet99uk]

@TheMadMonarch are you going to participate, please? You should sub out if you are unable to play.

I've been reading since EOD2.

I hath summoned her from her subterranean throne room. Excellent.

[foodcoats]

tadpole mass claim is stupid because everyone is going to say they didn't get it. perhaps someone would say they rejected it, but then what? that is not confirmable or useable information. cops and docs can produce results that are observable. tadpole can't. would be a waste of time

It probably won't give us any benefit, but there's also no downside

it wastes my time

Says the guy who just spouts “cringe!” and other nonsense reactions… if you are town bona, this criticism is in bad faith considering your playstyle.

[foodcoats]

You scumread Bunny because he didn’t see a webpage the same way you did?

Go to this post.
https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=408356#p408356

Bunny confirmed he saw the Balki death in this location. He also said he didn't know damo or dip died. It is basically impossible to see this area and not see the damo/dip deaths listed right next to Balki's death below.


Which makes it pretty clear Bunny is trying to pretend to be more clueless than he actually is.

I’m working on catching up and don’t want too many response posts because I think they muddle the thread too much. That said, I don’t want to forget to point out that I think this is a super flimsy argument.

I agree it’s super hard to not notice that damo/dip tied but it’s such a ridiculous thing to lie about. And it doesn’t really serve bunny any purpose to lie about

Aaro do you think that only scum would make such a flimsy argument?

[Jamiet99uk]

In terms of the missing kill. I'm inclined to think it was a save/RB.

If I was a mafioso, I'd push for a later tadpole. The earlier you nab someone, the greater chance they die. Also allows you to get some "townclears".

Agree with this.

Some good input from Monarch here in this little flurry of activity.