M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Vecna]

##call gm:

in case of the tadpole, has a choice been made already, or is the choice made during the following day?

@ghug you have a better memory about this stuff: does scum!Vecna pretend to not know to be seen asking?

[Vecna]

##call gm:

in case of the tadpole, has a choice been made already, or is the choice made during the following day?

@ghug you have a better memory about this stuff: does scum!Vecna pretend to not know to be seen asking?

yes. obviously.

[Vecna]

Because?

You’re off.

You're mom.

forced

[Vecna]

##DESTROY

unless this is a claim, its probably more sensible to just have the receiver claim it.

Actually that’s a great idea.

Case 1) someone was saved or invincible last night. They should claim they were doc saved.

Case 2) someone was given the tadpole. They should claim it ASAP.

Case 3) everyone else: knows they were not targeted with either. Scum already knows it to.

We claim RIGHT NOW to force.

I had nothing happen to me last night. No tadpole. No attack.

another pointless exercise proposal

[Vecna]

Fluminator, do you realise, if Bunny is scum, he would not need to look on the Bot to know Balki's alignment and role?

He would read the final Vote Count, see that Balki had been killed, and would not even need to read down the page to learn what Balki had flipped. He would already know that information because he would have learned it in the Mafia chat as soon as the game began.

You however appear to think it is true that he did scroll down to read about Balki's flip, but then a lie that he did not keep reading the rest of the page.

The way you are constructing your view of these little details does not seem quite right to me.

:O

That is an incredibly plausible explanation. Bunny already knew Balki was Mafia. Hmmmmm, so then Battle Master WAS Town? I don't know.

Hmmmm, I'll have to review the evidence. This might settle Bunny's alignment one way or another.

what?

theres plenty of reasons to be suspicious of bunny.

the thing flum is pushing could be done by any allignment. If bunny is scum youre only making him look better by giving him a reason to be rightfully pissed for being pushed for some nonsense.

[BunnyGo]

I was not tadpoled last night, nor roleblocked

For the record I think there are some night action results where keeping silent could be beneficial to town as to not give scum information they don't yet have. They should have tadpole and roleblock information so I see no harm in a tadpole mass claim though. For all other night action results we should leave it up to the town members to decide if they think it is more beneficial to claim now or later.

tadpole mass claim is stupid because everyone is going to say they didn't get it. perhaps someone would say they rejected it, but then what? that is not confirmable or useable information. cops and docs can produce results that are observable. tadpole can't. would be a waste of time

We rarely agree on mech analysis. Could you pitch in on this one?

[BunnyGo]

People complain about my emoji use, and how it makes bot reading difficult. That's just making me do it more.

Don't be a coward and read the game for real. Join the "online" status club. Invisible is for losers.

This was my position until Bunny demonstrated that he was looking to see who was PMing the GM at night. Turn that status off.

Meh. Discord is used now.

[BunnyGo]

Why are you misgendering Durga?

I’m talking about the ghugfather game. I’m assuming you’ve blocked that one out of your memory.

I didn't play in that game. All I remember is Durga wrecking your whole scumteam except for Chaqa.

Aaro has never been scum. That’s why I’m a bit worried now.

Also, are you thinking of the game she cop scanned me and I got worcej to CC me?

[Vecna]

Confession time:

I mainly scumread Fox because his defense with Balki was
And he was sooooo focused on it for no reason.
And I really wanted them to both be scum because that play with Daychat would have been awesome and it made sense.

Now I recall that he is actually just legitimately bad at defending himself and focuses on all the wrong things when he is under pressure.

Other than all of that, throughout the game he has done a good job of looking townie.

Consequently, he deserves to be moved somewhere in the neighborhood of slight Townlean.

my bro here mightve actually got tadpoled.

the flumvote at start of day wasnt an actual joke.

[FlaviusAetius]

pulling an all nighter for other reasons, but now i have time to do mafia >:D
if you think im crazy before get ready

[BunnyGo]

For how much of a hard on Jamie had for the damo wagon, I'm a bit surprised he took the flip so well. I would have expected town Jamie to spend at least 3 posts yelling at a dead damo blaming him for being such a bad townie and that he wasted all of our time

Solid take

[BunnyGo]

Yoyo, what's your alignment?

Also, I think about our hug in Washington DC all the time. Also, I think I owe you a pizza.

Weird…@yo-yo what’s this all mean to you?

[Vecna]

Bona’s day yesterday actually is a little weird.

He made several comments clearly indicating he scumread Dip (sarcastically). He made a single post saying he would kill Balki. Towards end of day he actually mostly mentions killing Balki, votes Balki, then jumps to Dip and ties the wagons, and moves back to Balki once it has a firm majority. He also throws in tying and suggests killing both of them.

A particularly weird very EOD statement:

this eod sucks so hard
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But… he clearly scumread Dip, and said he’d be okay killing Balki! It seems like an ideal EOD based on what he had stated during the day.

Bona can you comment on why you did not like that EOD even though earlier in the day you were basically scumming both of them?

foodcoats keeps making posts that i like.

i might be getting influenced too much by it, but theyre pretty good

[Vecna]

I told Ezio to send me the link. While I’m waiting, why don’t you tell me why you scumread Flum, and what the strategic value in creating a Flum wagon is, irrespective of his alignment?

I'll answer your question with a question: why wasn't the Battle Master activated D1?

D1 town BM holds because is thinking generally, or is generally uncertain and hopes to make use of it better later, or thinks many high wagons is town, or is one of top wagons or highly scumread themselves.

D1 scum BM holds because one of the top wagons was scum/themself or they were planning to hold until a more impactful time or they were just thinking and strategizing and uncertain

I feel people dont take into consideration that scum is probably really worried they need to create ideal circumstances for the tadpole.

they actually need someone to accept it. and they preferably need to hit a usefull PR.

Using the BM day2 to then tadpole in the night seems pretty obvious, with 4 deaths, just before we start killing off scums.

too bad for them that flash wagon started. im guessing the town reads overall arent so bad that they figured waitibg longer with the tadpole would result in higher chances of the recipient accepting.

[BunnyGo]

I'll answer your question with a question: why wasn't the Battle Master activated D1?

D1 town BM holds because is thinking generally, or is generally uncertain and hopes to make use of it better later, or thinks many high wagons is town, or is one of top wagons or highly scumread themselves.

D1 scum BM holds because one of the top wagons was scum/themself or they were planning to hold until a more impactful time or they were just thinking and strategizing and uncertain

I feel people dont take into consideration that scum is probably really worried they need to create ideal circumstances for the tadpole.

they actually need someone to accept it. and they preferably need to hit a usefull PR.

Using the BM day2 to then tadpole in the night seems pretty obvious, with 4 deaths, just before we start killing off scums.

too bad for them that flash wagon started. im guessing the town reads overall arent so bad that they figured waitibg longer with the tadpole would result in higher chances of the recipient accepting.

What’s your take on Just this game?

[FlaviusAetius]

It may have been but it is one of 3 or 4 examples of him trying to paint me in a bad light after I followed up twice on looking at him next

I think its pretty natural for someone to start suspecting you after you suspect them

But it was cherry picking reasons when I was trying to follow up on what dip said earlier. It was never addressing my original accusation

Colby your entire reason for voting Bunny has a lot to do with YOU Im going to need something else

[Vecna]

##VOTE ghug

I've just got a gut feeling about him.

I don't have a ton else, due to not having read half the thread

##VOTE MadMonarch

Your rapid succession of posts seem prepared. How are you replying to posts that are hours apart in a few minutes, jumping back and forth in time, etc.

interesting. this was the same argument flum used on kakkarotto day 1.

potential datapoint of daychat use to make yoyo look better and to direct onto MM?

[FlaviusAetius]

I think the vig is mafia aligned. From a meta perspective it makes sense since the max total players from setup was 23 and we started with 26.

Why would scum vig shoot damo?

so they can claim later on to get that sweet towncred.

especially if its a slot were suspicious off, thats a fine way of still killing townies with the ability without it being a death sentence in a claiming situation.

not judging whether its better/more logical to choose any which way, but just claiming scum would hardly ever do it is not a great idea

There were better options, I think damo would have gotten D2 killed, so why change a scenario that works very much in the benefit for mafia, no they would have gone for someone else. The townie wanted to provide clarity to D1 and wanted to make D2 something more than just what D1 was. I am glad the townie killed damo

[FlaviusAetius]

I think its pretty natural for someone to start suspecting you after you suspect them

But it was cherry picking reasons when I was trying to follow up on what dip said earlier. It was never addressing my original accusation

Colby your entire reason for voting Bunny has a lot to do with YOU Im going to need something else

Im saving this for when Colby gets on I want to know his reasonings that have more to do than just what Bunny's interactions were with Colby

[BunnyGo]

FUCK YEAH GOT EM

WOOO

I assume this was food taking the piss (predominately out of me).

Bunny and Bona, you both +1'd this. Care to explain why?

Scum doesn't react to miskilling VT Brian like this in any chat.

##VOTE foosier coats, MD