M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[ghug]

People complain about my emoji use, and how it makes bot reading difficult. That's just making me do it more.

Don't be a coward and read the game for real. Join the "online" status club. Invisible is for losers.

This was my position until Bunny demonstrated that he was looking to see who was PMing the GM at night. Turn that status off.

[ghug]

##VOTE ghug

I've just got a gut feeling about him.

I don't have a ton else, due to not having read half the thread

##VOTE MadMonarch

Your rapid succession of posts seem prepared. How are you replying to posts that are hours apart in a few minutes, jumping back and forth in time, etc.

I hit the reply button then write and send when I'm caught up.

I was considering doing a play-by-play, but I saw that first post of Jamie's and decided I wanted to send a Wave emoji in response. This would imply I was paying attention, which I wouldn't be if I was still pages back catching up.

That's why I did it the way I did.

This is terrible behavior but Monarch does it consistently so it's not scummy. It's just shitty play.

[ghug]

I will shortly be logging off for the night, and will not be back until probably just before EOD. I will almost certainly not have time to catch up before EOD, but I hope I will be around.

I strongly encourage people to look at Flum and ask if this is authentically town Flum or if this is a pretty good appearance created by scum Flum. I admit, the thing I am most excited about is pretty tinfoily, and I did semi-randomly pick Flum to see if there was a case. But I think I'm on to something. I don't think we're seeing the interesting, jovial, prone to shitposting Flum, I think he's restrained and not giving us the creative leaps that I recall from town Flum. I also think his push on Bunny is basically finding one significant inconsistency and picking, picking, picking at it until it becomes a miskill.

God damnit why is EoD every day.

[Vecna]

Druid 0-3
Circle of the Moon: Once per game you may summon a deceased person back into the game thread for an hour. That person may talk but not vote. They will not count toward parity.
Circle of the Land: You may save a person from dying at night, non consecutively.
Circle of the Spores: Twice per game you may force the result at the end of a day to be nullified, and no one dies. The Circle of the Moon Druid must take this action during the next phase after someone dies. That person then can talk for the rest of the phase.

Druid isn’t a role. Those are three different roles under the umbrella of “Druid” which has no mechanical purpose.

Semantics.

The point is that as we both noticed, there could have been a save.

Yet Vecna, and Sweet, immediately assumed it as fact that the Tadpole had been used, and this was the reason for the lack of a death overnight.

yes we did jamiet. are you waiting for others to tell you wether its scummy or not?

[ghug]

Incorrect. When I did a thing with my profile picture that first time, there was no rule.

I also do not care very much. There is already a mechanism for dealing with this if it really bothers you. If you think that my profile picture is Mafia-indicative, you may vote me.

You need to stop lying about this and playing the victim, Jamie. The rule was created, to address your actions, and clearly communicated, and then you broke it. Instead of blaming everyone else for continuing to question you, maybe consider why we're in the situation in the first place and quit toeing the line for a little while.

To everyone else who's concerned, I agree that Jamie probably is actually following the rule here and just trying to have a little fun, despite my own frustrations. I'd advise not thinking anything of it with the understanding that if he ruins another game he likely won't be playing again.

This gives only-child vibes

- From a youngest sibling

I am in fact an oldest sibling.

[ghug]

Oh I had no idea this was standard doc stuff. Ok I’ll add on I wasn’t saved then

Who are you?

I thought you were some sort of veteran player. But you don't know how standard Doctor works?

I have this ongoing bit where people (mainly bona and bunny) ask me to play mafia and I usually refuse. And then about once a year, I say yes to remind myself why I don’t play much.

On a more direct note, I’ve played like 3 or 4 games and I don’t think it came up. At least one game had a doctor (shout out to celaph) but I’m pretty sure he missed every save attempt. There was a cop that take that destroyed the scum team all by himself though.

Why are you misgendering Durga?

[ghug]

framing this a different way: what is the possible town motivation for attempting to shutting down any pushes on fox? i haven't played with flav before, so idk meta, but this just doesn't seem like baseline thinking townplay

I didn't see Flav shutting down pushes on Fox. He says he wants to see Fox's spreadsheet results before laying suspicions and @s Fox with a request.

Unless I missed some Fox wagon that Flav was targeting?

dude he posted a big thing about how no possible read should justify an action until we see the damn spreadsheet, which apparently doesn't even exist.

It took Fox 33 minutes to make his meta case discrediting Balki.

Not impossible, but impressively speedy.

This supports the notion that Fox had it in his grudge folder. That is, this stuff from years ago was so seared in his mind he was able to find it relatively quickly, or he literally had some of this stuff saved or something.

Alternatively, it could be part of a coordinated plan with Balki.

Here I would post a detailed case, but not doing that this game probably.

I'm not impressed with Fox's day, and his love for voting Dip is

I think he is Mafia, but of course it's possible I'm wrong.

Then again, I'm 100% so far so maybe y'all will listen.

I said this before and I'll say it again I wont vote Fox until I see his spreadsheet. The longer he delays his spreadsheet giving the more I think he is a mafia. But we should still see the thing, EVERYONE should want to see it.
1. if you think he is mafia, then seeing this spreadsheet that is likely being workshopped by the mafia gives us keen insight into what their thinking
2. if you think he is town, then reading his reads are an important part of what would make the case for that
3. if you think he is NAI right now, then this is whats going to move you over the edge one way or the other
4. if you are fox then you talk about your spreadsheet so much, share us the results!

this says 'sure, we can talk - but only after some indefinite point in time'.

Cringe

[aarodactyl]

Who are you?

I thought you were some sort of veteran player. But you don't know how standard Doctor works?

I have this ongoing bit where people (mainly bona and bunny) ask me to play mafia and I usually refuse. And then about once a year, I say yes to remind myself why I don’t play much.

On a more direct note, I’ve played like 3 or 4 games and I don’t think it came up. At least one game had a doctor (shout out to celaph) but I’m pretty sure he missed every save attempt. There was a cop that take that destroyed the scum team all by himself though.

Why are you misgendering Durga?

I’m talking about the ghugfather game. I’m assuming you’ve blocked that one out of your memory.

[ghug]

Anyways. From this read up:

-bunny has town vibes
-flum thinking bunny has scum vibes makes me think flum has town vibes
-Jamie’s shitposting is 54% funnier with the chaqa pfp
-flav has town vibes. I’ve settled on their posting being an anti-town town rather than scum
-I really enjoy bona’s comments. That just aesthetics though and I think him pushing on flav so much feels scummy
-this “spreadsheets full of takes” feels 2012 election to me. Also I enjoy a good Poe as much as anyone else but the process of actually doing it always feels pretty arbitrary and I doubt it works
-still stand by fox being town now that Balki flipped scum
-I think it’s funny that someone (I think jamiet but I could be misremembering and I can’t be bothered to check) is upset people didn’t consider the possibility of a doc save. I think it’s ironic considering no one (including them) has considered that scum just passed to mess with us and distract with mechanics. (This take is just a joke tbh)
-I’m on the fence on if the “top 2 die” role was scum or town. It seems there were a lot of arguments for both. I’m hoping it’s scum and we happen to flip them and we get to remove the uncertainty (or we flip enough scum pr to rule out that as an option).

Saying "54%" on the internet is a scumclaim.

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i suppose if you are a strict literalist, that could be the reading you get from what i said, but like i said before - why would town do this? town being stupid of course is possible, but is not an excuse. to spell it out for you, the question 'why would scum do this?' is easily answered with: it kicks up dust around someone people have questions about in a way that prolongs their survival, and if fox is scum (as you repeatedly proposed d2), then that directly is helping a scumbuddy.

So is your scumread of Flav dependant on Fox being scum, given that the scum reasons you listed were for prolonging or protecting Fox?

no. fox is a player with a large question mark, which town would benefit from having resolved, either through case for town or scum, or through flipping. flav is directly pushing against any attempt to resolve fox's alignment.

can i make it clearer? big letters, perhaps?

I thought you were good at thinking.

[Vecna]

I will ##vote foodcoats here. I would love for the wagons today to be between foodcoats, bona, and yoyo.

these 3 indeed all sound fine. id be fine with any among jamiet, will, fox, RHK, lfischl as well. even flum or ghug, although theyre probably not high prio for now.

I really need to narrow in my scumreads. big game is big.

[aarodactyl]

Anyways. From this read up:

-bunny has town vibes
-flum thinking bunny has scum vibes makes me think flum has town vibes
-Jamie’s shitposting is 54% funnier with the chaqa pfp
-flav has town vibes. I’ve settled on their posting being an anti-town town rather than scum
-I really enjoy bona’s comments. That just aesthetics though and I think him pushing on flav so much feels scummy
-this “spreadsheets full of takes” feels 2012 election to me. Also I enjoy a good Poe as much as anyone else but the process of actually doing it always feels pretty arbitrary and I doubt it works
-still stand by fox being town now that Balki flipped scum
-I think it’s funny that someone (I think jamiet but I could be misremembering and I can’t be bothered to check) is upset people didn’t consider the possibility of a doc save. I think it’s ironic considering no one (including them) has considered that scum just passed to mess with us and distract with mechanics. (This take is just a joke tbh)
-I’m on the fence on if the “top 2 die” role was scum or town. It seems there were a lot of arguments for both. I’m hoping it’s scum and we happen to flip them and we get to remove the uncertainty (or we flip enough scum pr to rule out that as an option).

Saying "54%" on the internet is a scumclaim.

I used to hate it and then I realized it’s hilarious how everyone overreacted to it

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Ok Ghug is scum. He's been on the edge all game and this clinches it.

Sweet and Fix probably town with massive egos who I hope get discredited soon.

Aaron is maybe scum because he said I was townish right behind voting me next post.

I have to help someone move tomorrow morning but I should be around before deadline still.

What clinches it?

[Vecna]

I probably missed this or it was screamed to not be discussed, but do we think the vig shot was from scum?

It has been debated. Yoyo certainly thinks it was a scum shot, and Vecna appears to agree.

Flavius and I discussed the fact it was more likely to be town, because Damo was already a leading wagon when he was shot - therefore why wouldn't scum save the vig shot to use on someone else, and just allow the town to miskill Damo?

I said the thinking in absolutes is silly because theres also potential scum reasonibg to take that line of play.

occams razor does simply imply a town vig

[ghug]

I have this ongoing bit where people (mainly bona and bunny) ask me to play mafia and I usually refuse. And then about once a year, I say yes to remind myself why I don’t play much.

On a more direct note, I’ve played like 3 or 4 games and I don’t think it came up. At least one game had a doctor (shout out to celaph) but I’m pretty sure he missed every save attempt. There was a cop that take that destroyed the scum team all by himself though.

Why are you misgendering Durga?

I’m talking about the ghugfather game. I’m assuming you’ve blocked that one out of your memory.

I didn't play in that game. All I remember is Durga wrecking your whole scumteam except for Chaqa.

[Vecna]

I probably missed this or it was screamed to not be discussed, but do we think the vig shot was from scum?

It has been debated. Yoyo certainly thinks it was a scum shot, and Vecna appears to agree.

Flavius and I discussed the fact it was more likely to be town, because Damo was already a leading wagon when he was shot - therefore why wouldn't scum save the vig shot to use on someone else, and just allow the town to miskill Damo?

Vecna has definitely been off with his reads since D2, but he's definitely Town. I feel like Yoyo has a good chance to be Mafia.

what are you on about lol. if you think my reads have been off you clearly havent been paying attention.

[aarodactyl]

Why are you misgendering Durga?

I’m talking about the ghugfather game. I’m assuming you’ve blocked that one out of your memory.

I didn't play in that game. All I remember is Durga wrecking your whole scumteam except for Chaqa.

I got confused about you being godfather, that was brain. I was referring to this game: http://mafia.peterlund.se/m63/game_status.html

[Vecna]

1. Yoyo - Town
2. Balki - Mafia
3. JustAGuyNamedWill - Town
4. Jamiet99uk - Town
5. Bonatogether - Town
6. damo666 - Town
7. Hamilton Brian - Town
8. Dousing - Town
9. foodcoats - Mafia
10. BunnyGo - Town
11. ghug - Tadpoled?
12. Ezio - Town
13. FlaviusAetius - Null
14. DiplomacyandWarfare -Town
15. Kakarroto -Town (I miss you, sweet prince)
16. Worcej -Town
17. lfischl - Town
18. Vecna - Town
19. foxcastle - Null
20. TheMadMonarch - Who?
21. DemonRHK - Anarchist
22. Col7by - Town
23. Squiggs44 - Town
24. sweetandcool - Mafia
25. fluminator - Anarchist
26. aarodactyl - Mafia

why post this when you havent shown any of the work to get to these conclusions?

[Vecna]

I think my wagon pool remains:
lfischl
Jamie

<gap>

Bona
Bunny
Ezio
MadMonarch
Yoyo
Foodcoats

Yoyoyozo (3) DemonRHK FlaviusAetius sweetandcool
foodcoats (2) ghug Ezio
BunnyGo (2) Col7by Fluminator
Bonatogether (1) Squigs44
Jamiet99uk (1) foodcoats
JustAGuyNamedWill (1) Vecna
DemonRHK (1) Yoyoyozo
ghug (1) worcej

I'm not terribly upset at today so far tho

you actually still think ezio is scummy? he looks very towny to me so far. very sharp in the places i expect him to be.

[Vecna]

I really didn't want to dispel the magic for BunnyGo, but in order to clear this up: I had ChatGPT write a python script that scanned the past games on the bot to identify which ones Balki and I had been in together. It was the work of minutes, including having to pivot to searching the txt pages rather than the HTML pages due to the program running into SSL issues at first. From there, it was a simple matter of copying in the bot search URL that looks for Balki* talking about Fox*, updating the game number, and then finding the quotes that made my point.

This must have been insanely hard, or insanely easy Im not really sure I dont know how to code, but still seems like a lot of effort

It is insanely easy. I don't know anything about coding, I just copy and paste what ChatGPT spits out and report back any errors until it works.

you dont know anything about coding, yet your first instinct on seeing balki target you was fire up a python session with chatGPT help, abusing the html links of the bot?

.....as opposed to just using the EXCEL sheet that lists all the players in each mafia game? the scoring sheet?



this story is so rickety it almost has to be true. almost