M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Dousing]

I'm going to bed

I think, since its the weekend, I can be a little more present tmr.

gn, sleep tight, don't let the scumslips bite

[Squigs44]

Well you are my top town read. I honestly think Jamie is town although I have no clue how their play typically is. I have bunny as scum because of dip and the way that flav brushed it off also feels scum to me. I think Vons has merit based on other people’s feedback. It’s hard cause there’s a lot of people to learn right now but here’s my current personal reads

Scumish- flav, bunny, bona
Hard neutral with eye on- glum, will
Townish- squigs, Jamie, grugh (forget exact name sorry)

Why bona scum?

you're fishing for someone else to make a wagon on me without having made a case yourself

Yes I'm gonna spend all day voting for you and ask for others to join, post a recap on you with things I've found scummy, in the hopes that you become a main wagon today despite no one else showing interest in voting you. But I'm gonna make sure that I can't be pinned back to leading the wagon despite publicly calling for the wagon several times, so I'm gonna see if I can wrangle one of the least active players into making a case on you so I can push all the blame on him. This is my scum masterplan in avoiding the many scumreads I've been receiving.

[Bonatogether]

Flav is playing with a completely different framework than the rest of us but not necessarily a scumslip TMI kind of framework, just a series of weird assumptions, like MadMonarch is going to sub, the mafia team has a designated lurker, etc.

It makes it really hard to follow Flavs logic because he has so many assumptions that the rest of us aren't making.

why are you preemptively white knighting flav?

I townread him and see people scumreading him due to misunderstanding his logic. I think people will have more accurate reads of Flav if they understand Flavs thought processes better.
It's no secret I disagree with some of the ways webdip players operate. I've complained about townslips/scumslips, hyperfocusing on mechanics before we have relevant info, etc. I think webdip as a whole attributes differences in thought processes to scuminess too much (myself included tbh). This is an attempt to correct that in part

But if you disagree and think Flavs poorly made assumptions make him more likely scum, I look forward to hearing all about that

if you've read what i've had to say, i've never claimed that his thought process makes him scum. i've only said that his constant attempts to push people away from making reads on fox is dog shit as town play, and likely to be scum. those posts are in the thread we both share, so i encourage you to read them.

[Bonatogether]

Why bona scum?

you're fishing for someone else to make a wagon on me without having made a case yourself

Yes I'm gonna spend all day voting for you and ask for others to join, post a recap on you with things I've found scummy, in the hopes that you become a main wagon today despite no one else showing interest in voting you. But I'm gonna make sure that I can't be pinned back to leading the wagon despite publicly calling for the wagon several times, so I'm gonna see if I can wrangle one of the least active players into making a case on you so I can push all the blame on him. This is my scum masterplan in avoiding the many scumreads I've been receiving.

i'm going to wallpost a case at you

[Squigs44]

I was not tadpoled last night, nor roleblocked

For the record I think there are some night action results where keeping silent could be beneficial to town as to not give scum information they don't yet have. They should have tadpole and roleblock information so I see no harm in a tadpole mass claim though. For all other night action results we should leave it up to the town members to decide if they think it is more beneficial to claim now or later.

tadpole mass claim is stupid because everyone is going to say they didn't get it. perhaps someone would say they rejected it, but then what? that is not confirmable or useable information. cops and docs can produce results that are observable. tadpole can't. would be a waste of time

It probably won't give us any benefit, but there's also no downside

[Bonatogether]

I was not tadpoled last night, nor roleblocked

For the record I think there are some night action results where keeping silent could be beneficial to town as to not give scum information they don't yet have. They should have tadpole and roleblock information so I see no harm in a tadpole mass claim though. For all other night action results we should leave it up to the town members to decide if they think it is more beneficial to claim now or later.

tadpole mass claim is stupid because everyone is going to say they didn't get it. perhaps someone would say they rejected it, but then what? that is not confirmable or useable information. cops and docs can produce results that are observable. tadpole can't. would be a waste of time

It probably won't give us any benefit, but there's also no downside

it wastes my time

[aarodactyl]

Basically, he said he saw Balki's death in the bot, and not Damo and Dip's, even though they're literally in the same place one line lower

You scumread Bunny because he didn’t see a webpage the same way you did?

Go to this post.
https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=408356#p408356

Bunny confirmed he saw the Balki death in this location. He also said he didn't know damo or dip died. It is basically impossible to see this area and not see the damo/dip deaths listed right next to Balki's death below.


Which makes it pretty clear Bunny is trying to pretend to be more clueless than he actually is.

I’m working on catching up and don’t want too many response posts because I think they muddle the thread too much. That said, I don’t want to forget to point out that I think this is a super flimsy argument.

I agree it’s super hard to not notice that damo/dip tied but it’s such a ridiculous thing to lie about. And it doesn’t really serve bunny any purpose to lie about

[Squigs44]

tadpole mass claim is stupid because everyone is going to say they didn't get it. perhaps someone would say they rejected it, but then what? that is not confirmable or useable information. cops and docs can produce results that are observable. tadpole can't. would be a waste of time

It probably won't give us any benefit, but there's also no downside

it wastes my time

You seem to be doing that on your own just fine

[Dousing]

tadpole mass claim is stupid because everyone is going to say they didn't get it. perhaps someone would say they rejected it, but then what? that is not confirmable or useable information. cops and docs can produce results that are observable. tadpole can't. would be a waste of time

It probably won't give us any benefit, but there's also no downside

it wastes my time

You go to Webdip mafia to not waste your time?

[Squigs44]

why are you preemptively white knighting flav?

I townread him and see people scumreading him due to misunderstanding his logic. I think people will have more accurate reads of Flav if they understand Flavs thought processes better.
It's no secret I disagree with some of the ways webdip players operate. I've complained about townslips/scumslips, hyperfocusing on mechanics before we have relevant info, etc. I think webdip as a whole attributes differences in thought processes to scuminess too much (myself included tbh). This is an attempt to correct that in part

But if you disagree and think Flavs poorly made assumptions make him more likely scum, I look forward to hearing all about that

if you've read what i've had to say, i've never claimed that his thought process makes him scum. i've only said that his constant attempts to push people away from making reads on fox is dog shit as town play, and likely to be scum. those posts are in the thread we both share, so i encourage you to read them.

You mean the whole spreadsheet thing?

[Bonatogether]

I townread him and see people scumreading him due to misunderstanding his logic. I think people will have more accurate reads of Flav if they understand Flavs thought processes better.
It's no secret I disagree with some of the ways webdip players operate. I've complained about townslips/scumslips, hyperfocusing on mechanics before we have relevant info, etc. I think webdip as a whole attributes differences in thought processes to scuminess too much (myself included tbh). This is an attempt to correct that in part

But if you disagree and think Flavs poorly made assumptions make him more likely scum, I look forward to hearing all about that

if you've read what i've had to say, i've never claimed that his thought process makes him scum. i've only said that his constant attempts to push people away from making reads on fox is dog shit as town play, and likely to be scum. those posts are in the thread we both share, so i encourage you to read them.

You mean the whole spreadsheet thing?

yes

[Yoyoyozo]

it's all hokum and larp anyways

I wish I had a baseline for how y'all play so that I can engage in meta-analyisis

It looks like so much fun!

it's all hokum and larp anyways

Yeah the past few pages read like free improv night

[aarodactyl]

Sup,

FWIW I wasn't tadpoled/in any way... ["Hey Siri, what are some synonyms for messed with?"] /in any way interfered. manhandled. mucked (about or around) butted in or meddled.


Tbh, idk how useful this mass claim is? Anyone who sucks the tadpole won't claim it and anyone who doesn't suck the tadpole would probably say smt imho.

Bunny suggested this right? Could this be busywork from Bunny to gain a false sense of towniness?

I’m in the process of catching up (I wasn’t tadpoled either). Bunny gets major town points from me on this

[aarodactyl]

Actually that’s a great idea.

Case 1) someone was saved or invincible last night. They should claim they were doc saved.

Case 2) someone was given the tadpole. They should claim it ASAP.

Case 3) everyone else: knows they were not targeted with either. Scum already knows it to.

We claim RIGHT NOW to force.

I had nothing happen to me last night. No tadpole. No attack.

I did not get tadpoled or nothin'


I do want to ask the question though, why are we asking this? Why wouldn't the 'poled person lie? Or even say they rejected? What does this achieve?

The point is we really want to know if anyone will report anything else. If no doc saves or etc. are reported, then we know someone is tadpoled.

Obviously we don't expect a tadpole claim, except possibly to declare they destroyed it.

What even happens when there’s a doc save? Does anyone get even told it happens?

[Squigs44]

if you've read what i've had to say, i've never claimed that his thought process makes him scum. i've only said that his constant attempts to push people away from making reads on fox is dog shit as town play, and likely to be scum. those posts are in the thread we both share, so i encourage you to read them.

You mean the whole spreadsheet thing?

yes

I mean, I think that still boils down to a bad assumption from Flav. He clearly thinks that Fox has a spreadsheet and that his posts/reads were influenced by the spreadsheet. So to him, asking for a spreadsheet was akin to asking someone for reasons after they place a naked vote or some similar situation.
Fox has since said he has no spreadsheet, so Flavs obviously in the wrong here. But the question is what's the scum motivation for Flav to demand a spreadsheet vs what's the town motivation? I see you've said it's anti-town, which I understand, but what does scum!Flav gain by insisting for more info from Fox before giving a final read on Fox? And is it inconsistent for a town!Flav to act this way?

[aarodactyl]

The point is we really want to know if anyone will report anything else. If no doc saves or etc. are reported, then we know someone is tadpoled.

Obviously we don't expect a tadpole claim, except possibly to declare they destroyed it.

hmmm.... I suppose


#CALL GM

You know if you're doc saved?
Does your doc know?
If you RB the mafia kill, do you get to know?

Standard doc save parameters apply unless the role states otherwise
Assume the saved person learns and the doctor also learns.
Ect ect
Legal stuff

Oh I had no idea this was standard doc stuff. Ok I’ll add on I wasn’t saved then

[sweetandcool]

hmmm.... I suppose


#CALL GM

You know if you're doc saved?
Does your doc know?
If you RB the mafia kill, do you get to know?

Standard doc save parameters apply unless the role states otherwise
Assume the saved person learns and the doctor also learns.
Ect ect
Legal stuff

Oh I had no idea this was standard doc stuff. Ok I’ll add on I wasn’t saved then

Who are you?

I thought you were some sort of veteran player. But you don't know how standard Doctor works?

[aarodactyl]

I was not tadpoled last night, nor roleblocked

For the record I think there are some night action results where keeping silent could be beneficial to town as to not give scum information they don't yet have. They should have tadpole and roleblock information so I see no harm in a tadpole mass claim though. For all other night action results we should leave it up to the town members to decide if they think it is more beneficial to claim now or later.

tadpole mass claim is stupid because everyone is going to say they didn't get it. perhaps someone would say they rejected it, but then what? that is not confirmable or useable information. cops and docs can produce results that are observable. tadpole can't. would be a waste of time

Nah there’s a reason for it. Please do the claim thing bunny asked for

[Bonatogether]

You mean the whole spreadsheet thing?

yes

I mean, I think that still boils down to a bad assumption from Flav. He clearly thinks that Fox has a spreadsheet and that his posts/reads were influenced by the spreadsheet. So to him, asking for a spreadsheet was akin to asking someone for reasons after they place a naked vote or some similar situation.
Fox has since said he has no spreadsheet, so Flavs obviously in the wrong here. But the question is what's the scum motivation for Flav to demand a spreadsheet vs what's the town motivation? I see you've said it's anti-town, which I understand, but what does scum!Flav gain by insisting for more info from Fox before giving a final read on Fox? And is it inconsistent for a town!Flav to act this way?

framing this a different way: what is the possible town motivation for attempting to shutting down any pushes on fox? i haven't played with flav before, so idk meta, but this just doesn't seem like baseline thinking townplay

[Bonatogether]

I was not tadpoled last night, nor roleblocked

For the record I think there are some night action results where keeping silent could be beneficial to town as to not give scum information they don't yet have. They should have tadpole and roleblock information so I see no harm in a tadpole mass claim though. For all other night action results we should leave it up to the town members to decide if they think it is more beneficial to claim now or later.

tadpole mass claim is stupid because everyone is going to say they didn't get it. perhaps someone would say they rejected it, but then what? that is not confirmable or useable information. cops and docs can produce results that are observable. tadpole can't. would be a waste of time

Nah there’s a reason for it. Please do the claim thing bunny asked for

there is nothing i can say that would add information to the town