M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Bonatogether]

Flav is playing with a completely different framework than the rest of us but not necessarily a scumslip TMI kind of framework, just a series of weird assumptions, like MadMonarch is going to sub, the mafia team has a designated lurker, etc.

It makes it really hard to follow Flavs logic because he has so many assumptions that the rest of us aren't making.

why are you preemptively white knighting flav?

[Dousing]

Him being Mr. Carriage Key

Also I think this argument is silly.

Could this be Flum playing theater with Bunny? I mean the whole "did he/didn't he look at Dip&Damo's alignment" is so circular and inherently unsolvable that the pair could just bicker back and forth like an old married couple infinitely. All the while they can look like they're being productive without having to harm the reputation of their teammates?

Perhaps scum!Bunny made a genuine error and scum!Flum decided that it was the perfect way to attack-Bunny-without-actually-attacking-Bunny.

It doesn't even have to be planned, it just spawned naturally and turns out to be mutually beneficial to keep it going

You're right. Scum Flum's plan to push the MK has backfired by proving Bunny is Town.

Sorry, I'm being stupid

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with my logic? lmao

[Bonatogether]

This is my least favorite iteration of Food.

I've never seen him as Mafia, hmmmmmm.

true!

[Ezio]

its worth noting that if the battlemaster is scum, the votes after D&Ws dual was engaged wont tell us anything. In that case they wouldve known that a vote for D&W is better to look more towny on the flip.

Would they have had much time to discuss this in day chat?

Benefit to scum: they know votes are meaningless and can behave accordingly.

Benefit to town: they clear up D&W for us without using a NK.

Benefit to scum: they get an extra townkilled guaranteed with the power.

But if that’s what they wanted they could have used it D1 to get two town then. Maybe?

Regardless, IF mafia used battlemaster on D2 it was very clearly a mistake for them

Huh? Battlemaster got a town PR killed. If mafia used it, did they make a mistake?

[Bonatogether]

this post just reminded me of something.

lfischl did not attack anyone over getting voted.

As town the slot always lurked a bit, but it would always come out of hiding to attack people voting them with genuine righteous indignation. This has been a consistent characteristic i remember occuring in a number of games.

Anyone have any more recent meta-stuff that jives with or disagrees with ny assesment that this could be a thing?

soft meta accusation, asking for exterior confirmation because unwilling to take a stand

scum!

its a hard fact lfischl used to act like that a while ago, consistently.

aint nothibg wrong in asking if that cjanged. people evolve their playstyle. (...well some people do)

i just don't believe this to be the case like you describe - that he only played pissed-off defense

[Dousing]

Would they have had much time to discuss this in day chat?

Benefit to scum: they know votes are meaningless and can behave accordingly.

Benefit to town: they clear up D&W for us without using a NK.

Benefit to scum: they get an extra townkilled guaranteed with the power.

But if that’s what they wanted they could have used it D1 to get two town then. Maybe?

Regardless, IF mafia used battlemaster on D2 it was very clearly a mistake for them

Huh? Battlemaster got a town PR killed. If mafia used it, did they make a mistake?

Did D&W have a second ability?

tbh even if he did I'd kill 1 mafia for 1 town any day???

especially when you're talking 1 town that was being generally scumread and one scum that was being generally townread

obv it sucks we lost a town but I wouldn't change a thing ab the results of N2 tbh

[Bonatogether]

they actually went for the n2 recruitment. interesting.

Very surprising that they did not select me. truely

i don't think they can select someone already scum, but i don't read the setup

[Bonatogether]

##vote Bona

I'd like more attention on this slot as Bona seems less opinionated and less involved than I remember them as town

[Dousing]

soft meta accusation, asking for exterior confirmation because unwilling to take a stand

scum!

its a hard fact lfischl used to act like that a while ago, consistently.

aint nothibg wrong in asking if that cjanged. people evolve their playstyle. (...well some people do)

i just don't believe this to be the case like you describe - that he only played pissed-off defense

I wish I had a baseline for how y'all play so that I can engage in meta-analyisis

It looks like so much fun!

[Bonatogether]

This was a particularly interesting thing to say, in retrospect.

im so smart

Crumb?

yeah for real

[Bonatogether]

its a hard fact lfischl used to act like that a while ago, consistently.

aint nothibg wrong in asking if that cjanged. people evolve their playstyle. (...well some people do)

i just don't believe this to be the case like you describe - that he only played pissed-off defense

I wish I had a baseline for how y'all play so that I can engage in meta-analyisis

It looks like so much fun!

it's all hokum and larp anyways

[Dousing]

i just don't believe this to be the case like you describe - that he only played pissed-off defense

I wish I had a baseline for how y'all play so that I can engage in meta-analyisis

It looks like so much fun!

it's all hokum and larp anyways

I wish I had a baseline for how y'all play so that I can engage in meta-analyisis

It looks like so much fun!

[Fluminator]

While I'm definitely not 100% certain on Bunny, the intense backlash and visceral reaction people have on me voting him and the attempt to undermine me right after, is not convincing me to change my mind.

[Bonatogether]

You've placed a lot of votes based on what other people believe. What is it that col7by believes?

Well you are my top town read. I honestly think Jamie is town although I have no clue how their play typically is. I have bunny as scum because of dip and the way that flav brushed it off also feels scum to me. I think Vons has merit based on other people’s feedback. It’s hard cause there’s a lot of people to learn right now but here’s my current personal reads

Scumish- flav, bunny, bona
Hard neutral with eye on- glum, will
Townish- squigs, Jamie, grugh (forget exact name sorry)

Why bona scum?

you're fishing for someone else to make a wagon on me without having made a case yourself

[sweetandcool]

Also I think this argument is silly.

Could this be Flum playing theater with Bunny? I mean the whole "did he/didn't he look at Dip&Damo's alignment" is so circular and inherently unsolvable that the pair could just bicker back and forth like an old married couple infinitely. All the while they can look like they're being productive without having to harm the reputation of their teammates?

Perhaps scum!Bunny made a genuine error and scum!Flum decided that it was the perfect way to attack-Bunny-without-actually-attacking-Bunny.

It doesn't even have to be planned, it just spawned naturally and turns out to be mutually beneficial to keep it going

You're right. Scum Flum's plan to push the MK has backfired by proving Bunny is Town.

Sorry, I'm being stupid

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with my logic? lmao

Cliff notes: Flum=scum. Bunny=Town

[Dousing]

Do you understand that nobody trusts what you're saying because you've blatantly violated the rule in the past?

Incorrect. When I did a thing with my profile picture that first time, there was no rule.

I also do not care very much. There is already a mechanism for dealing with this if it really bothers you. If you think that my profile picture is Mafia-indicative, you may vote me.

You need to stop lying about this and playing the victim, Jamie. The rule was created, to address your actions, and clearly communicated, and then you broke it. Instead of blaming everyone else for continuing to question you, maybe consider why we're in the situation in the first place and quit toeing the line for a little while.

To everyone else who's concerned, I agree that Jamie probably is actually following the rule here and just trying to have a little fun, despite my own frustrations. I'd advise not thinking anything of it with the understanding that if he ruins another game he likely won't be playing again.

This gives only-child vibes

- From a youngest sibling

[Bonatogether]

Well you are my top town read. I honestly think Jamie is town although I have no clue how their play typically is. I have bunny as scum because of dip and the way that flav brushed it off also feels scum to me. I think Vons has merit based on other people’s feedback. It’s hard cause there’s a lot of people to learn right now but here’s my current personal reads

Scumish- flav, bunny, bona
Hard neutral with eye on- glum, will
Townish- squigs, Jamie, grugh (forget exact name sorry)

Why bona scum?

Someone I think you pointed out with the balki vote their awkward conversations and saying they would veto any attempt at a tie. I mentioned trying to tie it because I felt they were both town which I read wrong. The adamant about vetoing a tie with no further explanation seemed suspicious.

how on earth is it scummy to not want a tie? are you nuts?

[Bonatogether]

To me it looks like Bona is just posting whatever pops in their brain but isn't actually engaging with the game much. This type of play from scum would make sense if their goal is to avoid attention. If that's the case, job well done, because it seems no one has a strong opinion on Bona.

fake!

[Dousing]

Why bona scum?

Someone I think you pointed out with the balki vote their awkward conversations and saying they would veto any attempt at a tie. I mentioned trying to tie it because I felt they were both town which I read wrong. The adamant about vetoing a tie with no further explanation seemed suspicious.

how on earth is it scummy to not want a tie? are you nuts?

deadass

[Bonatogether]

Someone I think you pointed out with the balki vote their awkward conversations and saying they would veto any attempt at a tie. I mentioned trying to tie it because I felt they were both town which I read wrong. The adamant about vetoing a tie with no further explanation seemed suspicious.

Wasn't me that pointed it out, and I'm not sure I really agree. It does seems a little awkward, but I don't think that awkwardness correlates to scuminess there, especially since we don't actually know if mafia or town used battle master

I would’ve liked to seen what they would’ve done in the case of a tie. It’s not def scum if they vote for dip could’ve been a really poor town read but with how adamant they were feels like they felt strongly for some reason we don’t know exactly. Could just be tie=bad which fair we just never found out why

you saw what i would have done - i flipped to avoid a tie. it's that easy. is there a towny reason i could have wanted a tie? no.