M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[FlaviusAetius]

##vote flav

I’m the meantime:

ghug
Jamie
Bunny
Flum
Fox

All claimed nothing happened to them last night

??? you didnt include me in that list and you voted for me after JUST asking that question and not even explaining why?

[foodcoats]

To me it looks like Bona is just posting whatever pops in their brain but isn't actually engaging with the game much. This type of play from scum would make sense if their goal is to avoid attention. If that's the case, job well done, because it seems no one has a strong opinion on Bona.

Bona could be scum. The last game I played with bona he was town and was an absolute dog with a bone. Here… not so.

[BunnyGo]

You just have to lower your eyes by 1 cm lol. It's also a natural inclination as scum to try to feign ignorance.

I do believe you were looking after your children though so that's good.

Hey man. I dunno if you are really thinking how perception and attention works. When you’re looking for a thing and not another, you won’t see it.

Bark up a different tree.

I still think you are Mafia, but yeah this argument is meaningless.

Hmmmmm, scum theater? Flum and Bunny?

##vote sweet till he claims. (Even though he’s a town lean now)

[BunnyGo]

##vote flav

I’m the meantime:

ghug
Jamie
Bunny
Flum
Fox

All claimed nothing happened to them last night

??? you didnt include me in that list and you voted for me after JUST asking that question and not even explaining why?

Cross posted

[sweetandcool]

Fluminator, do you realise, if Bunny is scum, he would not need to look on the Bot to know Balki's alignment and role?

He would read the final Vote Count, see that Balki had been killed, and would not even need to read down the page to learn what Balki had flipped. He would already know that information because he would have learned it in the Mafia chat as soon as the game began.

You however appear to think it is true that he did scroll down to read about Balki's flip, but then a lie that he did not keep reading the rest of the page.

The way you are constructing your view of these little details does not seem quite right to me.

:O

That is an incredibly plausible explanation. Bunny already knew Balki was Mafia. Hmmmmm, so then Battle Master WAS Town? I don't know.

Hmmmm, I'll have to review the evidence. This might settle Bunny's alignment one way or another.

[Col7by]

You've placed a lot of votes based on what other people believe. What is it that col7by believes?

Well you are my top town read. I honestly think Jamie is town although I have no clue how their play typically is. I have bunny as scum because of dip and the way that flav brushed it off also feels scum to me. I think Vons has merit based on other people’s feedback. It’s hard cause there’s a lot of people to learn right now but here’s my current personal reads

Scumish- flav, bunny, bona
Hard neutral with eye on- glum, will
Townish- squigs, Jamie, grugh (forget exact name sorry)

Col7by serious question:

Has anyone shown you the bot? Are you using it?

Not tadpole stuff to start off.
I dmed the the GM for access on day 2 when I learned there was one but don’t think I’ve seen all the capabilities everyone has talked about

[sweetandcool]

##VOTE Food

Every vote for food is a vote for a hungry child. You’re doing god’s work.

Please help God then.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hi Squigs I see you there.

I think you might be right about the Battle Master being Mafia.

Why am I one of your two top scumreads, please?

If you think battlemaster was mafia then how come you think sweet is mafia? This doesnt make sense

Oh, you are right, it doesn't.

I will rethink Sweet then.

[Fluminator]

Flum sat on Ham all day D1 and pushed Balki into a 9-9 tie with 9 minutes to go on D2.

Rather less D1 shitposting than I would have thought! Says, "I was one of the leaders of the Hamilton wagon and was wrong rip," which is odd given that he never actually pushed Ham and 5 minutes before D1 EOD he said, "I'm probably willing to flashwagon lfischl but other than that I'm reasonably confident I'll be staying on Hamilton over Flavius, Damo, or Dip".

And then there's a bunch more that seems pretty innocuous.

##VOTE FLUM

I'm going to go see how D1 votes look assuming Flum is scum.

• Sweet briefly votes flum at the very beginning but moves off quickly.
• Dousing votes flum, Flav votes flum. Dousing leaves Flum.
• Sweet joins Flav, but Flav moves off shortly thereafter.
• Flav returns, rejoining Sweet.
• Sweet moves off as we head into EOD, but then comes back quickly.
• Demon pushes Flum into 3rd position with 3 votes.
• lfischl is the fourth vote on Flum, which pushes him back into 3rd position. [00:41]
• Ham makes a fifth vote on Flum, and he's tied for the lead with Damo. [00:38]
• Foodcoats abandons Damo, leaving Flum in the lead with 5 votes.
• Bunny puts Ham in a tie for first with 5 votes each.
• Worcej puts Ham in the lead with 6 votes.
• Ham leaves the Flum wagon, leaving him in 3rd place with four votes.
• Demon leaves the Flum wagon, followed by Flav, and Sweet.

If Flum is scum, this points to foodcoats, Demon, and maybe lfischl being towny, and Bunny and Worcej potentially being scum, based only on VCA. (I don't think Bunny is scum, though.)

This does not dissuade me from my Flum vote.

I don't know what you're doing, but ok. I'll let you do your thing until you're hopefully satisfied.

[BunnyGo]

Why bona scum?

Someone I think you pointed out with the balki vote their awkward conversations and saying they would veto any attempt at a tie. I mentioned trying to tie it because I felt they were both town which I read wrong. The adamant about vetoing a tie with no further explanation seemed suspicious.

Hmm, refusing to allow a tie isn’t really scum indicative. Town needs daykills for the sake of information, even when we’re wrong.

And Colby is well aware of this.

Also please affirm @food

[Col7by]

Why bona scum?

Someone I think you pointed out with the balki vote their awkward conversations and saying they would veto any attempt at a tie. I mentioned trying to tie it because I felt they were both town which I read wrong. The adamant about vetoing a tie with no further explanation seemed suspicious.

I haven’t read EOD2. Why did you think both were town? Why did you not want an information flip anyways?

I thought Balki was being helpful prior and thought dip was getting framed. Then many people including Dip thought Balki was town right before the end so I thought the tie there was best to keep both in. Ended up being wrong

[BunnyGo]

Well you are my top town read. I honestly think Jamie is town although I have no clue how their play typically is. I have bunny as scum because of dip and the way that flav brushed it off also feels scum to me. I think Vons has merit based on other people’s feedback. It’s hard cause there’s a lot of people to learn right now but here’s my current personal reads

Scumish- flav, bunny, bona
Hard neutral with eye on- glum, will
Townish- squigs, Jamie, grugh (forget exact name sorry)

Col7by serious question:

Has anyone shown you the bot? Are you using it?

Not tadpole stuff to start off.
I dmed the the GM for access on day 2 when I learned there was one but don’t think I’ve seen all the capabilities everyone has talked about

Have you seen the vote count?

The names of the current remaining players?

Vote history?

It looks like the one we use at work but better

[FlaviusAetius]

Your VT hard claim and your reaction to damos death both make more sense from scum Jamie than town Jamie. Your hard tunnel of damo would be a valid scum Jamie strategy. Not sure you've done much else of substance. Some comments and questions which are laregly NAI. A vote on lfischl, then switching to dip which definitely doesn't give town points.
While you were hard tunneling damo I asked you to give more thoughts and you briefly said you scumread Vecna then retracted it. Like your iso is just you voting guys who have flipped town, avoiding talking about anyone else, and giving weird reactions to times you've been under pressure.

Jamie D1 was super weird but was saved by him being attacked as per usual for being unpleasant in the beginning. You make a good argument tho about how useless/anti-town Jamie has been

[Col7by]

Col7by serious question:

Has anyone shown you the bot? Are you using it?

Not tadpole stuff to start off.
I dmed the the GM for access on day 2 when I learned there was one but don’t think I’ve seen all the capabilities everyone has talked about

Have you seen the vote count?

The names of the current remaining players?

Vote history?

It looks like the one we use at work but better

I’ve seen all that but not vote history. Have seen the post count stuff too which I liked

[FlaviusAetius]

Your VT hard claim and your reaction to damos death both make more sense from scum Jamie than town Jamie. Your hard tunnel of damo would be a valid scum Jamie strategy. Not sure you've done much else of substance. Some comments and questions which are laregly NAI. A vote on lfischl, then switching to dip which definitely doesn't give town points.
While you were hard tunneling damo I asked you to give more thoughts and you briefly said you scumread Vecna then retracted it. Like your iso is just you voting guys who have flipped town, avoiding talking about anyone else, and giving weird reactions to times you've been under pressure.

I agree I get no townpoints for voting for Dip&War, but I legitimately thought he might be scum.

Damo's behaviour was anti-town and I stand by my questioning and pressuring of him. Sorry, but there it is.

What weird reactions to pressure are you talking about?

Can you give a firm reaction as to why you claimed VT?

[BunnyGo]

Not tadpole stuff to start off.
I dmed the the GM for access on day 2 when I learned there was one but don’t think I’ve seen all the capabilities everyone has talked about

Have you seen the vote count?

The names of the current remaining players?

Vote history?

It looks like the one we use at work but better

I’ve seen all that but not vote history. Have seen the post count stuff too which I liked

Have you tried using it to keep track of peoples names?

[Squigs44]

To me it looks like Bona is just posting whatever pops in their brain but isn't actually engaging with the game much. This type of play from scum would make sense if their goal is to avoid attention. If that's the case, job well done, because it seems no one has a strong opinion on Bona.

Bona could be scum. The last game I played with bona he was town and was an absolute dog with a bone. Here… not so.

This doesn't look like a strong opinion, its just the 5th person saying "Bona could be scum I guess" and moving on

[BunnyGo]

To me it looks like Bona is just posting whatever pops in their brain but isn't actually engaging with the game much. This type of play from scum would make sense if their goal is to avoid attention. If that's the case, job well done, because it seems no one has a strong opinion on Bona.

Bona could be scum. The last game I played with bona he was town and was an absolute dog with a bone. Here… not so.

This doesn't look like a strong opinion, its just the 5th person saying "Bona could be scum I guess" and moving on

@squigs: were you given a tadpole or attacked last night?

[sweetandcool]

Hey man. I dunno if you are really thinking how perception and attention works. When you’re looking for a thing and not another, you won’t see it.

Bark up a different tree.

I still think you are Mafia, but yeah this argument is meaningless.

Hmmmmm, scum theater? Flum and Bunny?

##vote sweet till he claims. (Even though he’s a town lean now)

I have received no red alerts at the top of the webpage.

[FlaviusAetius]

I townread him as well.

What is your read on Ghug?

I have a hard time reading ghug at the best of times, and in this game it's even harder due to how much information needs to be parsed.

I don't feel he's the towniest, I'll tell ya that.

Do you know that Ghug is the third-highest poster in this game?

He has made 232 posts.

Yet I do not have a strong read on him either.

Perhaps this should concern us.

I am also concerned, on a related topic, that TheMadMonarch has posted only 11 times, and 10 of those posts were during the first half of D1.

@TheMadMonarch are you going to participate, please? You should sub out if you are unable to play.

Here it was, I think you should pay very close attention to the responses ghug and I have going and forth, Im waiting for his response now