M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'm not loving the Jamiet wagon taking off after he left, and I don't feel like those votes are well justified.

[Bonatogether]

I was just about to bump this because this whole FoxCastle thing is derailing things real quick, why do you dislike it? I like it

it's externally moving focus on a player being debated from their weak argument, to something presumably something stronger-looking (again, effort isn't inherently towny in my opinion). it doesn't engage with the weak point, but tries to move away from it without resolving it

the man is famous for his spreadsheet how can we not atleast look at it

why would we think there's any value in it to start? why not hammer on the thing we have right in front of us?

[aarodactyl]

I dont understand why people keep saying its over the top, its not. People have been changing the color of their text and talking in all caps. I just capitalize SOME words to provide emphasis not because Im trying to yell at people

Oh maybe that’s it. I assume people use all caps when they get heated. I think it’s also the stream of consciousness type posting. ##unvote for now

I’ve been rereading some players. Is this Colby’s first game?

First game on Webdip. I assume an experienced Bunny officemate.

That makes it tricky. I think that (plus the reread of them I just did) makes me townlean them. I get the sense they didn’t know what they were agreeing to. And I feel like if they rolled scum, they would have felt more obligated to be staying on top of things (just from my knowledge of bunny’s job)

[Bonatogether]

Bunny has been playing D1 differently than D2+ for many games now.

bongo, by trying to escape meta by playing self-awarely each d1, has fallen into a new meta. really says something doesn't it

Don't care. I started it because I got killed D1 as town (and town PR) every game (or every other game) in a row for a while (favorite was when brainbomb got me speedwagoned by hardclaiming as VT my own PR role). My scum tell had become surviving to D2 without a top three wagon at EOD1.

Now I at least get to play the game, and have ameliorated whatever was going on with my old style of playing town D1.

And ##vote Dip, that post by the summoned demon was very convincing.

defensive bongo is scum bongo

[brainbomb]

##CALL GM

Do lfischl and MadMonarch meet minimum requirements, since they have never voted for a living player?

They do because the player they voted for was alive at the time they voted.

[ghug]

@ghug, have you played with Dousing before?

Yes

I remember liking their play more.

[Bonatogether]

In the nicest way possible, I think that’s at least half of why he signs up to play mafia.

deeply true

I don't like you...

[ghug]

##CALL GM

Do lfischl and MadMonarch meet minimum requirements, since they have never voted for a living player?

They voted for a living player who later died.

[aarodactyl]

I realized I was conflating d&w and dousing in my head while doing my reading so far. Since dousing has the shorter iso, I reread it and it seems town-ish to me. A lot of what seem like genuine (but bad takes).

[Balki Bartokomous]

@ghug, have you played with Dousing before?

Yes

I remember liking their play more.

You and Sweet are equally good at explaining your view of the Dousing meta.

[sweetandcool]

Oh maybe that’s it. I assume people use all caps when they get heated. I think it’s also the stream of consciousness type posting. ##unvote for now

I’ve been rereading some players. Is this Colby’s first game?

First game on Webdip. I assume an experienced Bunny officemate.

That makes it tricky. I think that (plus the reread of them I just did) makes me townlean them. I get the sense they didn’t know what they were agreeing to. And I feel like if they rolled scum, they would have felt more obligated to be staying on top of things (just from my knowledge of bunny’s job)

Hmmm, I'm sorry to be contrary, but I think if they rolled scum it would be easy to lurk and pretend to be overwhelmed. We've seen that a couple times from new players recently and it's an effective strategy.

Still, I would reach a similar conclusion as to their alignment.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I realized I was conflating d&w and dousing in my head while doing my reading so far. Since dousing has the shorter iso, I reread it and it seems town-ish to me. A lot of what seem like genuine (but bad takes).

You read the whole ISO? What were the genuine takes that you saw?

[ghug]

I'm not loving the Jamiet wagon taking off after he left, and I don't feel like those votes are well justified.

He's done nothing but railroad a now dead townie by repeating the same joke over and over again, and then his reaction to said townie dying was underwhelming.

He also claimed VT like a weirdo.

[FlaviusAetius]

Just read Dousing ISO. Eek.

##vote Dousing

I hadn't really focused on Dousing until this point, but in the back of my mind I had him sorted as Town.

Reading his ISO, a few things stand out:

(1) He has this take on Fluminator and the tadpole early on and then much of his day is about that thing. Just feels like he may be using Flum/tadpole as a crutch for engagement rather than showing much curiosity or interest in the rest of the game. Then says without trying to be ironic: "I feel like we’re spending 90% of our energy talking about the tadpole. Is there a chance we’re that the tadpole is a bit of a red herring?"

(2) Keeps telling us that he has been reading lots of pages but keeps his focus very narrow on a handful of subjects.

(3) Makes a long post about the various reasons mafia might have killed Kak without really saying anything at all.

(4) Concludes "Foxcastle cooked and made the best argument I've seen this game so far" while not townreading Foxcastle, which seems like just the right note to play as a Wolf, whether partnered with Fox or not, as it further discredits me while taking no committed position on any alignment.

I think this is a good flip.

1. To be fair the tadpole discussion did get a little much, Im sure he was just trying to get us back on track
2. What narrow handful of subjects? Im looking at his Day 1 discussion and I dont see that at all
3. Yea that was sus but someone needed to lay it out for everyone, I dont think it warranted that much of a discussion tho. Kak was obv town, and he had a tunnel on Dip, what reveals most about Kak's team is killing Ghug, something he also wanted to do.
4. Anyone who sided with Foxcastle in that argument you have read as mafia

[ghug]

@ghug, have you played with Dousing before?

Yes

I remember liking their play more.

You and Sweet are equally good at explaining your view of the Dousing meta.

My read is not meta-based. I don't remember their play very well.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I'm not loving the Jamiet wagon taking off after he left, and I don't feel like those votes are well justified.

He's done nothing but railroad a now dead townie by repeating the same joke over and over again, and then his reaction to said townie dying was underwhelming.

He also claimed VT like a weirdo.

I know right? Isn't this the description of a Townie?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I mean, it's not a secret. I think Dip is still the vote. Flav is tied for my number 3 choice, but I HATE balki and Dip on there.

fish, I haven't paid enough attention to have a confident read on him. BUT, I like the voters. Specifically jamie and squigs.

True, Balki is sus

But dip is so obv town it hurts

Fair enough on the fisch wagon

Balki flashwagon?

Lets do it

##VOTE BALKI

[ghug]

I'm not loving the Jamiet wagon taking off after he left, and I don't feel like those votes are well justified.

He's done nothing but railroad a now dead townie by repeating the same joke over and over again, and then his reaction to said townie dying was underwhelming.

He also claimed VT like a weirdo.

I know right? Isn't this the description of a Townie?

Is it? It's very unlike Jamie. On its own, that wouldn't be that AI, but again, I think his reaction to damo's death was fake.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

You just want someone else to do it...

Ghug why are you a wagon

You did nothing to be tr or sr

Wat hapen

He's a wagon because he's voting for someone that I don't think he should be scumreading. 2/3 people on his wagon are me and the person he voted.
Flavius voted him for "pressure" early d2. Never verified whatever crap he wanted to investigate in Kak's history.
(I do think it's more likely Flav is scum too after looking into this. His play reeks to my nose).

IIRC Ghug usually wanted to consolidate d1, or if not move himself he would get others to sheep him onto his read. I didn't feel that happened as much this game. To see him do a similar thing this phase with him dumping his vote onto Dousing? Very sus.
I think today should be Ghug vs Flav.

Ezio where tf did you come from

[FlaviusAetius]

it's externally moving focus on a player being debated from their weak argument, to something presumably something stronger-looking (again, effort isn't inherently towny in my opinion). it doesn't engage with the weak point, but tries to move away from it without resolving it

the man is famous for his spreadsheet how can we not atleast look at it

why would we think there's any value in it to start? why not hammer on the thing we have right in front of us?

If ANYTHING is wolfy its this, theres literally zero reason in the entire world to NOT look at all the evidence we can get. Why are you so sure his spreadsheet will tell us he's more townie than mafia? You cant know that...unless you do