M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[sweetandcool]

Just read Dousing ISO. Eek.

##vote Dousing

I hadn't really focused on Dousing until this point, but in the back of my mind I had him sorted as Town.

Reading his ISO, a few things stand out:

(1) He has this take on Fluminator and the tadpole early on and then much of his day is about that thing. Just feels like he may be using Flum/tadpole as a crutch for engagement rather than showing much curiosity or interest in the rest of the game. Then says without trying to be ironic: "I feel like we’re spending 90% of our energy talking about the tadpole. Is there a chance we’re that the tadpole is a bit of a red herring?"

(2) Keeps telling us that he has been reading lots of pages but keeps his focus very narrow on a handful of subjects.

(3) Makes a long post about the various reasons mafia might have killed Kak without really saying anything at all.

(4) Concludes "Foxcastle cooked and made the best argument I've seen this game so far" while not townreading Foxcastle, which seems like just the right note to play as a Wolf, whether partnered with Fox or not, as it further discredits me while taking no committed position on any alignment.

I think this is a good flip.

Sounds like authentic Dousing to me.

[FlaviusAetius]

Shoot, I just realized the Dip wagon is starting to run away. I can't believe Town is going to run into the ground one of our last obvious townies.

##VOTE Jamiet

This is acceptable.

Everytime a wagon starts running away that you are on you find some reason to jump off, at first it made sense but now its just down right ridiculous, when you vote for someone do you have any solid reasonings behind it or are you just going with the wind .-.

[sweetandcool]

Shoot, I just realized the Dip wagon is starting to run away. I can't believe Town is going to run into the ground one of our last obvious townies.

##VOTE Jamiet

This is acceptable.

Everytime a wagon starts running away that you are on you find some reason to jump off, at first it made sense but now its just down right ridiculous, when you vote for someone do you have any solid reasonings behind it or are you just going with the wind .-.

I've come around to you maybe being Town. The other wagons are yuck. The Jamiet wagon looks most likely to save Dip at the moment, and it is acceptable compared to others.

[ghug]

Shoot, I just realized the Dip wagon is starting to run away. I can't believe Town is going to run into the ground one of our last obvious townies.

##VOTE Jamiet

This is acceptable.

Everytime a wagon starts running away that you are on you find some reason to jump off, at first it made sense but now its just down right ridiculous, when you vote for someone do you have any solid reasonings behind it or are you just going with the wind .-.

Sweet wasn't voting Dip.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Just read Dousing ISO. Eek.

##vote Dousing

I hadn't really focused on Dousing until this point, but in the back of my mind I had him sorted as Town.

Reading his ISO, a few things stand out:

(1) He has this take on Fluminator and the tadpole early on and then much of his day is about that thing. Just feels like he may be using Flum/tadpole as a crutch for engagement rather than showing much curiosity or interest in the rest of the game. Then says without trying to be ironic: "I feel like we’re spending 90% of our energy talking about the tadpole. Is there a chance we’re that the tadpole is a bit of a red herring?"

(2) Keeps telling us that he has been reading lots of pages but keeps his focus very narrow on a handful of subjects.

(3) Makes a long post about the various reasons mafia might have killed Kak without really saying anything at all.

(4) Concludes "Foxcastle cooked and made the best argument I've seen this game so far" while not townreading Foxcastle, which seems like just the right note to play as a Wolf, whether partnered with Fox or not, as it further discredits me while taking no committed position on any alignment.

I think this is a good flip.

Sounds like authentic Dousing to me.

Can you elaborate on that?

[sweetandcool]

Just read Dousing ISO. Eek.

##vote Dousing

I hadn't really focused on Dousing until this point, but in the back of my mind I had him sorted as Town.

Reading his ISO, a few things stand out:

(1) He has this take on Fluminator and the tadpole early on and then much of his day is about that thing. Just feels like he may be using Flum/tadpole as a crutch for engagement rather than showing much curiosity or interest in the rest of the game. Then says without trying to be ironic: "I feel like we’re spending 90% of our energy talking about the tadpole. Is there a chance we’re that the tadpole is a bit of a red herring?"

(2) Keeps telling us that he has been reading lots of pages but keeps his focus very narrow on a handful of subjects.

(3) Makes a long post about the various reasons mafia might have killed Kak without really saying anything at all.

(4) Concludes "Foxcastle cooked and made the best argument I've seen this game so far" while not townreading Foxcastle, which seems like just the right note to play as a Wolf, whether partnered with Fox or not, as it further discredits me while taking no committed position on any alignment.

I think this is a good flip.

Sounds like authentic Dousing to me.

Can you elaborate on that?

Sounds like things Dousing would do. Like, NAI. Or I suppose townie since I've never experienced Mafia Dousing.

[sweetandcool]

Shoot, I just realized the Dip wagon is starting to run away. I can't believe Town is going to run into the ground one of our last obvious townies.

##VOTE Jamiet

This is acceptable.

Everytime a wagon starts running away that you are on you find some reason to jump off, at first it made sense but now its just down right ridiculous, when you vote for someone do you have any solid reasonings behind it or are you just going with the wind .-.

Sweet wasn't voting Dip.

His comment is fair even so. I assumed he meant my jump off the Flavius wagon.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Sounds like authentic Dousing to me.

Can you elaborate on that?

Sounds like things Dousing would do. Like, NAI. Or I suppose townie since I've never experienced Mafia Dousing.

How many times have you played with Town!Dousing? Never having played with Wolf!Dousing, what would Dousing have to do for you to suspect them as scum?

[Yoyoyozo]

This is just my opinion but are runaway wagons necessarily bad? Mafia has more of an incentive to stay on at EOD to ensure their buddies don’t flip, so not having clear choices leading up to EOD gives them more sway, right?

[aarodactyl]

Seriously why is anyone voting for this guy?

Yeah. It’s getting to the point where the frustration feels so over the top that, while I hope it’s fake, it’s probably not. I’m going to catch up and then try to reread a bit if I have time. I should be around for eod so I’m not feeling a rush to change my vote yet.

I dont understand why people keep saying its over the top, its not. People have been changing the color of their text and talking in all caps. I just capitalize SOME words to provide emphasis not because Im trying to yell at people

Oh maybe that’s it. I assume people use all caps when they get heated. I think it’s also the stream of consciousness type posting. ##unvote for now

I’ve been rereading some players. Is this Colby’s first game?

[sweetandcool]

Can you elaborate on that?

Sounds like things Dousing would do. Like, NAI. Or I suppose townie since I've never experienced Mafia Dousing.

How many times have you played with Town!Dousing? Never having played with Wolf!Dousing, what would Dousing have to do for you to suspect them as scum?

All of his games. 2?

Dousing would have to do something that isn't Townie to get me to suspect him.

[sweetandcool]

Yeah. It’s getting to the point where the frustration feels so over the top that, while I hope it’s fake, it’s probably not. I’m going to catch up and then try to reread a bit if I have time. I should be around for eod so I’m not feeling a rush to change my vote yet.

I dont understand why people keep saying its over the top, its not. People have been changing the color of their text and talking in all caps. I just capitalize SOME words to provide emphasis not because Im trying to yell at people

Oh maybe that’s it. I assume people use all caps when they get heated. I think it’s also the stream of consciousness type posting. ##unvote for now

I’ve been rereading some players. Is this Colby’s first game?

First game on Webdip. I assume an experienced Bunny officemate.

[FlaviusAetius]

yes, I consider the skill as town too for my votes. If I'm unsure of their alignment, that might become the deciding factor.

In d&w's case, I see it as a win win, either we get mafia, or get vote out a bad town. Not much lost there. And I think the chance he is mafia is rather high.

If I don't vote for anyone that 'could be town', then most of the time I would have to vote no-kill. And that is just not good enough, if we played that way, mafia would just nk off all town, and we would gain much less information. So yes, I'm very ok with a candidate that could be town but plays badly and has decent chances to be mafia.

Decent chances being 51%? I expect better of you than to willfully tunnel.

1. Dip is very different this game (and he has always been scum*)
2. Dip is clearly trying to solve.
3. Dip is solving poorly.
4. Dip was like a dog with a bone over the Kak-tadpole thing.

And so on.

Nobody is going to take Dip seriously, so he is not "dangerous" to Town. He just has no idea how to solve.

I know you are annoyed with him, but seriously you are better than putting the blinders on just because you want a particular player out of the game.

This is part of it. It's wild people are following Kak's read when he literally had the blinders on and even acknowledged he was partly voting out of anger.

He was I wont deny it, but he made it made sense. If his ghug read ends up flipping, then Dip's gotta go next

[Ezio]

##vote Jamiet. Color me convinced.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@ghug, have you played with Dousing before?

[sweetandcool]

Decent chances being 51%? I expect better of you than to willfully tunnel.

1. Dip is very different this game (and he has always been scum*)
2. Dip is clearly trying to solve.
3. Dip is solving poorly.
4. Dip was like a dog with a bone over the Kak-tadpole thing.

And so on.

Nobody is going to take Dip seriously, so he is not "dangerous" to Town. He just has no idea how to solve.

I know you are annoyed with him, but seriously you are better than putting the blinders on just because you want a particular player out of the game.

This is part of it. It's wild people are following Kak's read when he literally had the blinders on and even acknowledged he was partly voting out of anger.

He was I wont deny it, but he made it made sense. If his ghug read ends up flipping, then Dip's gotta go next

Kak's case was literally based on Dip being obnoxious about one topic in regards to Kak. He literally justified his case with the premise that voting Dip would at least be getting rid of bad Town.

HE MADE IT MAKE SENSE?!?!?!?!

[Bonatogether]

30 pages behind. sad!

[Bonatogether]

What on earth are you talking about?
"I say stuff not designed to look good" when you are TOWN!?! That defeats the whole purpose of being a townie and is anti-town at best, you are just confusing everyone and inviting townies to suspect you and then be suspected for suspecting you over totally reasonable stuff. No what Kak meant was that you tried to stay NAI as a townie...not that you ACTIVELY tried to do stuff that was anti-town.

You and Vecna were being buddy buddy about solving the game, and I put a stop to that real quick by saying no you guys should try to solve the game independently, that would tell us a lot more than some random team up.

You saying this scummy thing is exactly the contradiction I put forward that you did
"So either your a big solver and thats unlike your town meta
Or you are a solver, and you all of a sudden dont want to solve until day 4"

Either way doesn't look good. His entire basis for town is threefolded, one you fit well into the team, and two you are going against your meta when you are a townie, and three(one that Im putting together) you are acting like a big solver, but then all of a sudden dont want to solve the game, that you havent answered for. I dont like that no one else here is paying attention to what Kak is saying but to the @Dip voters;

Ghug and Flum tell us a lot more about Kak's team than Dip does.

radar check: how many games have you played

7 or so on this website maybe more idk I just checked the score sheet, once or twice in person...not that it should matter!!!

just trying to get a sense of who you are

[Squigs44]

This is just my opinion but are runaway wagons necessarily bad? Mafia has more of an incentive to stay on at EOD to ensure their buddies don’t flip, so not having clear choices leading up to EOD gives them more sway, right?

Runaway wagons on someone I townread is bad, as it's a bad flip and gives less info.

[sweetandcool]

##CALL GM

Do lfischl and MadMonarch meet minimum requirements, since they have never voted for a living player?