M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Ezio]

I'm going to assume some idiot towny just vigged damo.

I'm super glad he played it right! I thought he was a PR, but he was too obvious about it, he was thinking one level above me, a VT roleplaying as a PR roleplaying as a VT/scum.

Well done damo, it's too bad it was all in vain.

Ezio is always the correct vig shot.

Has a vig *ever* been correct in shooting me?

[Balki Bartokomous]

##vote Bona

#forsquigs

[ghug]

I’m going to ##vote ghug.

No, I’m not.

##unvote

@ghug, please solve the game.

##vote Sweet?

I told you I'd solve it day 5.

[sweetandcool]

You think ghug is mafia but you dont want to vote him??? Make this make sense please

ghug is a fequent NK target. Maybe the most frequent. That means that laying off him for a few days means (1) scum is more likely to sort him for us in the event he is Town, and (2) we gain more information about his long-term survival than we do about other slots in the event he is Scum.

Ya this is a good meta point, but one that you *really* shouldn't have put in the chat.

It gets brought up D2 like every game ghug survives that far. It's old news, nobody is learning anything from it. It's just true.

[Col7by]

Calling my voters:

What do you think you'll learn when I flip town? I'll tell you. Nada.

If I were scum being so 'obvscum' don't you think my teammates would have bussed me rather than save me.

Fact of the matter is it was TvT and town largely did scum's work for them.

The only contenders for having been saved are Flav and Flum.

If I am the day's miskill then if they survive N2 look very closely at Bona and ghug.

##vote Bona

Let's vote ghug, even damo thinks ghug is suspciions, those who are voting @Diplomacy ghug would tell us more about Kak's team than Diplomacy dying

Those voting @fischl why this lurker and not Ezio? @foodcoats made a pretty convincing case why Ezio should be the lurker we take down not fischl

Ezio agrees with my ghug read though so I cant attack him now; but you are voting a lurker for no reason; at least foodcoats made a convincing argument

I am because they were a train EOD1 and think that we need to target someone in that

[Balki Bartokomous]

I’m going to ##vote ghug.

No, I’m not.

##unvote

@ghug, please solve the game.

##vote Sweet?

I told you I'd solve it day 5.

Solve it now. And put your white gloves back on.

[ghug]

Thank God we had a dayvig and didn't waste an entire day on a runaway damo wagon. Can we use this flip to actually get some good wagons going now?

Jamie I'd like to know your Vecna thoughts now?
Fox, is food still scumslipping with town damo?

I think food may be scum. But that obviously wasn't a scumslip.

Very suspicious you suddenly believe in scumslips.

Good catch. Squiggs said he didn’t believe in town and scumslips, right?

He's questioning Fox...

[Ezio]

ghug is a fequent NK target. Maybe the most frequent. That means that laying off him for a few days means (1) scum is more likely to sort him for us in the event he is Town, and (2) we gain more information about his long-term survival than we do about other slots in the event he is Scum.

Ya this is a good meta point, but one that you *really* shouldn't have put in the chat.

It gets brought up D2 like every game ghug survives that far. It's old news, nobody is learning anything from it. It's just true.

Ah. The webdip meta has shifted over the years. This used to be an edge .

[FlaviusAetius]

If he's right about your meta, then you taking a big role D1 makes you an obv mafia. Kak says your meta as a town is to be mysterious and nebluous whereas here you were insistent you were a town and acting as one of the biggest solvers there ever was with Vecna. This makes me think you were a townie, except for that weird wanna buddy up to solve the game, I can look past that, but according to Kak that is not you. Also he pointed out something I completely missed;
"Ghug's intend to 'try not to solve until day 4' is just atrocious and I doubt town ghug would ever feel that way."

So either your a big solver and thats unlike your town meta
Or you are a solver, and you all of a sudden dont want to solve until day 4

Either way super sus, and Im surprised no one else is paying attention to anything Kak is saying. As I explained, Im not sure Kak is right about Dip or Flum, but everything he pointed out would all line right on you guys as a team, if you were all mafia.

Well, first off, I think you took mysterious to mean quiet, which is not the case. I'm always loud. Kak is right that I work harder to be townread when I'm scum, but it's more that I say shit when I'm town that's not designed to look good.

Beyond that, though this isn't logically coherent.

For one, I never said I wanted to solve the game with Vecna. For two, you're acknowledging yourself that I said something that you and Kak both found scummy, which runs against the idea that I'm playing to be townread. For three, the entire basis of his own argument is that I'm openly insisting I'm town, which isn't something that regularly garners townreads.

It feels like you're just trying to jump on a shitty argument that you can wash your hands of by blaming Kak when you're wrong. I do not get the sense that you're applying serious consideration here.

What on earth are you talking about?
"I say stuff not designed to look good" when you are TOWN!?! That defeats the whole purpose of being a townie and is anti-town at best, you are just confusing everyone and inviting townies to suspect you and then be suspected for suspecting you over totally reasonable stuff. No what Kak meant was that you tried to stay NAI as a townie...not that you ACTIVELY tried to do stuff that was anti-town.

You and Vecna were being buddy buddy about solving the game, and I put a stop to that real quick by saying no you guys should try to solve the game independently, that would tell us a lot more than some random team up.

You saying this scummy thing is exactly the contradiction I put forward that you did
"So either your a big solver and thats unlike your town meta
Or you are a solver, and you all of a sudden dont want to solve until day 4"

Either way doesn't look good. His entire basis for town is threefolded, one you fit well into the team, and two you are going against your meta when you are a townie, and three(one that Im putting together) you are acting like a big solver, but then all of a sudden dont want to solve the game, that you havent answered for. I dont like that no one else here is paying attention to what Kak is saying but to the @Dip voters;

Ghug and Flum tell us a lot more about Kak's team than Dip does.

This is the case against Ghug I cant find if he responded to me or not

[ghug]

I want to hear from Fox, Balki, ghug, and Ezio

About your vig thing?

I think they're probably town but there's not much use in speculating now.

[Ezio]

Calling my voters:

What do you think you'll learn when I flip town? I'll tell you. Nada.

If I were scum being so 'obvscum' don't you think my teammates would have bussed me rather than save me.

Fact of the matter is it was TvT and town largely did scum's work for them.

The only contenders for having been saved are Flav and Flum.

If I am the day's miskill then if they survive N2 look very closely at Bona and ghug.

##vote Bona

Let's vote ghug, even damo thinks ghug is suspciions, those who are voting @Diplomacy ghug would tell us more about Kak's team than Diplomacy dying

Those voting @fischl why this lurker and not Ezio? @foodcoats made a pretty convincing case why Ezio should be the lurker we take down not fischl

Ezio agrees with my ghug read though so I cant attack him now; but you are voting a lurker for no reason; at least foodcoats made a convincing argument

I am because they were a train EOD1 and think that we need to target someone in that

Be better. We weren't magically smarter on D1 than we are now. Why do you feel we "need" to target someone that was a train EoD1?

[FlaviusAetius]

This is the best way to get ghug to engage?

I dunno. What is the best way?

Post a bad case and then he'll tear you apart for it... wait you already posted a bad case on Fox. Maybe he is scum

Makes you think!

[Col7by]

Let's vote ghug, even damo thinks ghug is suspciions, those who are voting @Diplomacy ghug would tell us more about Kak's team than Diplomacy dying

Those voting @fischl why this lurker and not Ezio? @foodcoats made a pretty convincing case why Ezio should be the lurker we take down not fischl

Ezio agrees with my ghug read though so I cant attack him now; but you are voting a lurker for no reason; at least foodcoats made a convincing argument

I am because they were a train EOD1 and think that we need to target someone in that

Be better. We weren't magically smarter on D1 than we are now. Why do you feel we "need" to target someone that was a train EoD1?

I’ve said it repeatedly before that I think that one of the scum had a train ont them and they were able to get the vote off of their person I just don’t know which one. That’s why I was on Damo and then was considering switching off right before they died

[ghug]

Dayum.

RIP Damo.

##VOTE Jamma Sam

[FlaviusAetius]

Let's vote ghug, even damo thinks ghug is suspciions, those who are voting @Diplomacy ghug would tell us more about Kak's team than Diplomacy dying

Those voting @fischl why this lurker and not Ezio? @foodcoats made a pretty convincing case why Ezio should be the lurker we take down not fischl

Ezio agrees with my ghug read though so I cant attack him now; but you are voting a lurker for no reason; at least foodcoats made a convincing argument

I am because they were a train EOD1 and think that we need to target someone in that

Be better. We weren't magically smarter on D1 than we are now. Why do you feel we "need" to target someone that was a train EoD1?

For VCA, we had some discussion about this earlier, I dont necessarily disagree, I think by going for Ghug though we are also going after Dip, which reveals was a wagon EOD1

[sweetandcool]

Well, first off, I think you took mysterious to mean quiet, which is not the case. I'm always loud. Kak is right that I work harder to be townread when I'm scum, but it's more that I say shit when I'm town that's not designed to look good.

Beyond that, though this isn't logically coherent.

For one, I never said I wanted to solve the game with Vecna. For two, you're acknowledging yourself that I said something that you and Kak both found scummy, which runs against the idea that I'm playing to be townread. For three, the entire basis of his own argument is that I'm openly insisting I'm town, which isn't something that regularly garners townreads.

It feels like you're just trying to jump on a shitty argument that you can wash your hands of by blaming Kak when you're wrong. I do not get the sense that you're applying serious consideration here.

What on earth are you talking about?
"I say stuff not designed to look good" when you are TOWN!?! That defeats the whole purpose of being a townie and is anti-town at best, you are just confusing everyone and inviting townies to suspect you and then be suspected for suspecting you over totally reasonable stuff. No what Kak meant was that you tried to stay NAI as a townie...not that you ACTIVELY tried to do stuff that was anti-town.

You and Vecna were being buddy buddy about solving the game, and I put a stop to that real quick by saying no you guys should try to solve the game independently, that would tell us a lot more than some random team up.

You saying this scummy thing is exactly the contradiction I put forward that you did
"So either your a big solver and thats unlike your town meta
Or you are a solver, and you all of a sudden dont want to solve until day 4"

Either way doesn't look good. His entire basis for town is threefolded, one you fit well into the team, and two you are going against your meta when you are a townie, and three(one that Im putting together) you are acting like a big solver, but then all of a sudden dont want to solve the game, that you havent answered for. I dont like that no one else here is paying attention to what Kak is saying but to the @Dip voters;

Ghug and Flum tell us a lot more about Kak's team than Dip does.

This is the case against Ghug I cant find if he responded to me or not

Paragraph one is based on a misunderstanding. Paragraph two is factually untrue. I do not understand paragraph three.

So essentially your case nothing.

[ghug]

huh? why does that matter, you guys could just be reading the situation differently...or he's working towards an ulterior motive...

Ghug has successfully pocketed me multiple times by playing almost exactly how Vecna is now playing. So him disagreeing with me is something unique to every scum!ghug I have seen

hes doing it to me now.

Im still suspicious of it.

I also think people are maybe focusing too much on the wrong kak read.

there were a bunch of suspicions in that mans brain i can totally see being accurate. And at the same time ill need to revisit D&Ws kotp read, and him co secutively calling hamB scummy for similarly townreading that slot

How am I doing it?

[Ezio]

I am because they were a train EOD1 and think that we need to target someone in that

Be better. We weren't magically smarter on D1 than we are now. Why do you feel we "need" to target someone that was a train EoD1?

I’ve said it repeatedly before that I think that one of the scum had a train ont them and they were able to get the vote off of their person I just don’t know which one. That’s why I was on Damo and then was considering switching off right before they died

What makes you think we had a wagon on scum d1?

[FlaviusAetius]

You literally said "there is no scum thread".

But you've demonstrated you understand that there is a daychat.

So I don't care, it doesn't matter. You were just being strange for no reason, oh well.

There is no scum thread. There is a discord chat. Those are two different things. I keep making the point that its completely wild that someone would post here thinking its the discord mafia day chat as some people suggested that is what others did. Which is just CRAZY

Uh this sounds like a mafia excuse

Im not saying dont take what they said into account but it doesnt make sense that they would post here thinking it was discord two totally different websites two totally different interfaces, it just doesnt make sense

[ghug]

Why did you shoot damo. It was pretty clear the two eod wagons were town. This is what happens when you don't listen to me.

We could also kill Fluminator.