M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[FlaviusAetius]

Hm, actually food pushed Damo D1 pretty heavily and pushed him into a tie with Ham near EOD.

Still, I think the best explanation for his "WOOO" post is that it was meant for the scum thread. It still makes sense if you consider that Food was playing a highwire act bussing Damo, so he'd be thrilled that his risk paid off.

There is no scum thread, day chat is via discord

Huh? How would you know there is no scum thread? How do you propose daychat works? This makes no sense.

Mafia Day Chat is always on: The mafia can talk at all times, any time, by simply going into discord. The mafia chat does not close during days, or at nights, and is always on.
Thats in the first post no way you didnt know that man we've had this same discussion here like three different times(not specifically with you but you've been fairly active so X to doubt you didnt see that)

ALSO
People keep saying Im indignant as if its a BAD thing and I just looked that up and that should not be it at all.
"Anger aroused by something perceived as unjust, mean, or unworthy. synonym: anger."
YEA you SHOULD be angry if something is happening that you disagree with; why would I be HAPPY? this makes NO sense

[sweetandcool]

There was a lot of energy during N1 for the idea of destroying DiplomacyandWarfare today.

Why has that dissipated?

Because Dip is locktown.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

What made you decide to post this?

Did you suddenly become afraid we were all going to start mass-claiming?

If you're asking if it was related to damo dying, no. I wrote that before finding out damo died.
I was a bit concerned about PR reveals considering the swingy setup. A bucket would be terrible for towne.

"Bucket"?

What is meaning "bucket" in this context?

Sorry, mu term. Basically a mass PR claim.

[Balki Bartokomous]

I just want to be very repetitive and clear. I do not suspect Fox in this game for “doing analysis without actual analysis.” Perhaps I read him that way for those reasons in games from many years ago, but that is not the source of my suspicion here.

I suspect Fox in this game for low-risk, poorly thought-out votes and what appeared to be a purposeful attempt to exist in the blind spots of the game.

Just because I correctly scumread Fox in some but not all games years ago does not mean I should be ignored here, and I don’t like that Fox’s response was to try to discredit me in this way without engaging with my argument in this game.

I also don’t like your attempt to make this all conventional wisdom. I feel like the motivation of your post is to discredit me, and I think that’s a motivation that is more consistent with scum than town.

##vote Flavius

Please explain why you are holding me to the standard of needing to play high-risk, galaxy-brain votes from an out-front/leadership position from D1 in this game. There are plenty of people whose play is low-risk and driven questionable thinking, especially on D1, so why am I the one that has to fit a certain style for you, especially when it's not a style I've ever exhibited?

Also, you have scumread me correctly ONE time. Not "some," ONE out of the four previous games we have played together where you were town.

1. I think you’re smart and crafty.
2. I think smart and crafty scum in a game this large would prefer to sit back in the margins and under the radar and kill LHF.
3. This profile is not something I only apply to you. This is generally the profile I have of a generic, good scum player. I’m applying and comparing the same profile to several players in this game.

For example, I think Bunny, Vecna, and Squigs are probably Town because they do not match this profile. I am suspicious of ghug and you for similar reasons relating to low-risk play.

Do you disagree with me about the best way to find crafty wolves? How would you try to sort Foxcastle?

[Fluminator]

Here's my theory: Damo is scum. Foodcoats slipped up an crossposted his "WOOO" to the wrong thread and then tried to play it off. Foodcoats is now bussing Damo to further cover his tracks.

Hm, actually food pushed Damo D1 pretty heavily and pushed him into a tie with Ham near EOD.

Still, I think the best explanation for his "WOOO" post is that it was meant for the scum thread. It still makes sense if you consider that Food was playing a highwire act bussing Damo, so he'd be thrilled that his risk paid off.

There is no scum thread, day chat is via discord

Fox, this was a weak townslip. Do better lol

[FlaviusAetius]

Damo, why did you jump off HB to try to start a new wagon on Flav here?

He was annoying me

And defending HB

... i have no words; I was defending HB because you couldnt even give an argument for him it was WILD what you were doing

[sweetandcool]

There is no scum thread, day chat is via discord

Huh? How would you know there is no scum thread? How do you propose daychat works? This makes no sense.

Mafia Day Chat is always on: The mafia can talk at all times, any time, by simply going into discord. The mafia chat does not close during days, or at nights, and is always on.
Thats in the first post no way you didnt know that man we've had this same discussion here like three different times(not specifically with you but you've been fairly active so X to doubt you didnt see that)

ALSO
People keep saying Im indignant as if its a BAD thing and I just looked that up and that should not be it at all.
"Anger aroused by something perceived as unjust, mean, or unworthy. synonym: anger."
YEA you SHOULD be angry if something is happening that you disagree with; why would I be HAPPY? this makes NO sense

The first post indicates scum has chat on at all times. Why would you claim there is no scum chat? It's literally on at all times. That is daychat.

Just weird you claim there is no chat and that Mafia can chat at all times. You seem to understand they have daychat, but you were being weird about it.

[Jamiet99uk]

If you're asking if it was related to damo dying, no. I wrote that before finding out damo died.
I was a bit concerned about PR reveals considering the swingy setup. A bucket would be terrible for towne.

"Bucket"?

What is meaning "bucket" in this context?

Sorry, mu term. Basically a mass PR claim.

Ah, I see, thanks.

Here we just usually say "mass claim".

[Balki Bartokomous]

Oh good, twenty pages to read.

Salv plz

[Jamiet99uk]

In the final 10 minutes of D1, 7 players moved their vote onto either Hamilton or Damo:

• Foodcoats moved from Worcej onto Damo
• Flavius moved from Dip&War onto Damo
• Vecna moved from me onto Hamilton
• Sweet moved from Dip&War onto Hamilton
• Dip&War moved from Fluminator onto Hamilton
• Damo moved from Sweet onto Hamilton
• I moved from Dip&War onto Damo

Is it possible that DiplomacyAndWarfare was being protected there?
If so I am aware this somewhat implicates me, but still I wanted to explore this possibility?

[FlaviusAetius]

I just want to be very repetitive and clear. I do not suspect Fox in this game for “doing analysis without actual analysis.” Perhaps I read him that way for those reasons in games from many years ago, but that is not the source of my suspicion here.

I suspect Fox in this game for low-risk, poorly thought-out votes and what appeared to be a purposeful attempt to exist in the blind spots of the game.

Just because I correctly scumread Fox in some but not all games years ago does not mean I should be ignored here, and I don’t like that Fox’s response was to try to discredit me in this way without engaging with my argument in this game.

I also don’t like your attempt to make this all conventional wisdom. I feel like the motivation of your post is to discredit me, and I think that’s a motivation that is more consistent with scum than town.

##vote Flavius

Please explain why you are holding me to the standard of needing to play high-risk, galaxy-brain votes from an out-front/leadership position from D1 in this game. There are plenty of people whose play is low-risk and driven questionable thinking, especially on D1, so why am I the one that has to fit a certain style for you, especially when it's not a style I've ever exhibited?

Also, you have scumread me correctly ONE time. Not "some," ONE out of the four previous games we have played together where you were town.

1. I think you’re smart and crafty.
2. I think smart and crafty scum in a game this large would prefer to sit back in the margins and under the radar and kill LHF.
3. This profile is not something I only apply to you. This is generally the profile I have of a generic, good scum player. I’m applying and comparing the same profile to several players in this game.

For example, I think Bunny, Vecna, and Squigs are probably Town because they do not match this profile. I am suspicious of ghug and you for similar reasons relating to low-risk play.

Do you disagree with me about the best way to find crafty wolves? How would you try to sort Foxcastle?

No I think you got it all wrong, the mafia are all not going to be playing the same style of play; they have day chat they can mix it up and go for different routes and heavily coordinate that. I think the best way to find mafia is to see woho would be MOST comfortable playing a lurker, who would be MOST comfortable talking all day, who would be MOST comfortable being a big solver

[Jamiet99uk]

Oh good, twenty pages to read.

Salv plz

No salv. Only khlav kalash!

[Foxcastle]

I just want to be very repetitive and clear. I do not suspect Fox in this game for “doing analysis without actual analysis.” Perhaps I read him that way for those reasons in games from many years ago, but that is not the source of my suspicion here.

I suspect Fox in this game for low-risk, poorly thought-out votes and what appeared to be a purposeful attempt to exist in the blind spots of the game.

Just because I correctly scumread Fox in some but not all games years ago does not mean I should be ignored here, and I don’t like that Fox’s response was to try to discredit me in this way without engaging with my argument in this game.

I also don’t like your attempt to make this all conventional wisdom. I feel like the motivation of your post is to discredit me, and I think that’s a motivation that is more consistent with scum than town.

##vote Flavius

Please explain why you are holding me to the standard of needing to play high-risk, galaxy-brain votes from an out-front/leadership position from D1 in this game. There are plenty of people whose play is low-risk and driven questionable thinking, especially on D1, so why am I the one that has to fit a certain style for you, especially when it's not a style I've ever exhibited?

Also, you have scumread me correctly ONE time. Not "some," ONE out of the four previous games we have played together where you were town.

1. I think you’re smart and crafty.
2. I think smart and crafty scum in a game this large would prefer to sit back in the margins and under the radar and kill LHF.
3. This profile is not something I only apply to you. This is generally the profile I have of a generic, good scum player. I’m applying and comparing the same profile to several players in this game.

For example, I think Bunny, Vecna, and Squigs are probably Town because they do not match this profile. I am suspicious of ghug and you for similar reasons relating to low-risk play.

Do you disagree with me about the best way to find crafty wolves? How would you try to sort Foxcastle?

Leaving aside our first game together and the game where you were scum, you have used this method to miskill me twice and correctly get me as scum once. So I'm not the one who needs to assess whether this is an effective way to find crafty wolves.

[Balki Bartokomous]

No I think you got it all wrong, the mafia are all not going to be playing the same style of play; they have day chat they can mix it up and go for different routes and heavily coordinate that. I think the best way to find mafia is to see woho would be MOST comfortable playing a lurker, who would be MOST comfortable talking all day, who would be MOST comfortable being a big solver

Can you finish this thought or elaborate on it?

What do you mean see who would be most comfortable doing what? How do you tell the difference between comfortable town and comfortable scum?

[ghug]

Sweet is confusing me, they seem like their throwing. Admittedly, they said they'd do as much in the signup thread. Either way it's kinda tainting their arguments in an undue negative light.

For example, I really like what they said about Bunny (http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=406327#p406327) but then they start voting for a dead Kak???

To use a terrible analogy: Sweet is kinda like the Kanye West of this game thread.

##VOTE Dousing

What's up with this vote Ghug?

You don't think that post is terrible?

[ghug]

Dunno. Don't care. He's slimy, and he's scummy. And I think the kill was for a PR hunt.

A&W FOR EVERYONE IF WE GET D&W!

(Disclaimer: I am legally and morally required to disclose this is not an actual redeemable offer of edible compensation for voting with me. The Mafia Kouncol would like to remind that using out of game influences to affect in game actions is expressly forbidden. Any aquistion of moderate to good fast food branded after root beer and the delicious milkshakes I continue to consume despite my lactose-hating body's cries for mercy are solely at your own cost.)

What's A&W?

Fast food. Usually paired up with Long John Silvers here.
https://awrestaurants.com/

Wait, are you a fucking Canadian?

A&W is root beer.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Please explain why you are holding me to the standard of needing to play high-risk, galaxy-brain votes from an out-front/leadership position from D1 in this game. There are plenty of people whose play is low-risk and driven questionable thinking, especially on D1, so why am I the one that has to fit a certain style for you, especially when it's not a style I've ever exhibited?

Also, you have scumread me correctly ONE time. Not "some," ONE out of the four previous games we have played together where you were town.

1. I think you’re smart and crafty.
2. I think smart and crafty scum in a game this large would prefer to sit back in the margins and under the radar and kill LHF.
3. This profile is not something I only apply to you. This is generally the profile I have of a generic, good scum player. I’m applying and comparing the same profile to several players in this game.

For example, I think Bunny, Vecna, and Squigs are probably Town because they do not match this profile. I am suspicious of ghug and you for similar reasons relating to low-risk play.

Do you disagree with me about the best way to find crafty wolves? How would you try to sort Foxcastle?

Leaving aside our first game together and the game where you were scum, you have used this method to miskill me twice and correctly get me as scum once. So I'm not the one who needs to assess whether this is an effective way to find crafty wolves.

33% isn’t bad. This game is hard and you’re good at it.

But either way, my assessment of your slot in this game is not the same as the way you keep coloring it, and I don’t think your history lesson does anything other than distract from this game.

[worcej]

Coffee break - bot check. Damo dead, assume vig.

If anyone claimed my assumption would be they are town as he was leading wagon. More town motive to fire now than scum.

[sweetandcool]

Please explain why you are holding me to the standard of needing to play high-risk, galaxy-brain votes from an out-front/leadership position from D1 in this game. There are plenty of people whose play is low-risk and driven questionable thinking, especially on D1, so why am I the one that has to fit a certain style for you, especially when it's not a style I've ever exhibited?

Also, you have scumread me correctly ONE time. Not "some," ONE out of the four previous games we have played together where you were town.

1. I think you’re smart and crafty.
2. I think smart and crafty scum in a game this large would prefer to sit back in the margins and under the radar and kill LHF.
3. This profile is not something I only apply to you. This is generally the profile I have of a generic, good scum player. I’m applying and comparing the same profile to several players in this game.

For example, I think Bunny, Vecna, and Squigs are probably Town because they do not match this profile. I am suspicious of ghug and you for similar reasons relating to low-risk play.

Do you disagree with me about the best way to find crafty wolves? How would you try to sort Foxcastle?

Leaving aside our first game together and the game where you were scum, you have used this method to miskill me twice and correctly get me as scum once. So I'm not the one who needs to assess whether this is an effective way to find crafty wolves.

If you are Town, you need to focus on this game.

You are using old grudges from years ago. This is completely ineffective.

[worcej]

What's A&W?

Fast food. Usually paired up with Long John Silvers here.
https://awrestaurants.com/

Wait, are you a fucking Canadian?

A&W is root beer.

A&W is in Moscow, Idaho fwiw… but also very Canadian