M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[sweetandcool]

I think that's a reasonably accurate analysis.

Thank you Damo.

Would you like to explain why you analysed Hamilton Brian's posts as scummy?

No. I thought he was scummy as did many others. He wasn't scum but he was scummy. Can't change it. No point crying over spilt milk. C'est la guerre.

I did not think he was scummy.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm actually starting to think that about food.

Either he is having a very low performance game or there is a reason for it.

##VOTE Balki

Could you explain why you just discussed Foodcoats' alignment, concluded he was possible scum... and then clapped a vote onto Balki, who you did not mention in this post?

Because he is super scummy, just read his posts.

You got me there! Solid case.

[sweetandcool]

I'm going to assume some idiot towny just vigged damo.

I'm super glad he played it right! I thought he was a PR, but he was too obvious about it, he was thinking one level above me, a VT roleplaying as a PR roleplaying as a VT/scum.

Well done damo, it's too bad it was all in vain.

[Squigs44]

Thank God we had a dayvig and didn't waste an entire day on a runaway damo wagon. Can we use this flip to actually get some good wagons going now?

Jamie I'd like to know your Vecna thoughts now?
Fox, is food still scumslipping with town damo?

[sweetandcool]

I guess the good thing about this is that whoever shot is Townclear. No way Mafia makes that shot.

Might as well claim the kill, I think, assuming no powers left.

[Balki Bartokomous]

##unvote

I dunno.

[Yoyoyozo]

lol where’s that tadpole? Is vash in this game? What was that?

[sweetandcool]

Thank God we had a dayvig and didn't waste an entire day on a runaway damo wagon. Can we use this flip to actually get some good wagons going now?

Jamie I'd like to know your Vecna thoughts now?
Fox, is food still scumslipping with town damo?

I think food may be scum. But that obviously wasn't a scumslip.

Very suspicious you suddenly believe in scumslips.

[DemonRHK]

Remember that whole "Dip is grooming for the damo town flip"?

Just saying.

Also RIP damo.

[Squigs44]

Can I convince anyone to join me on lfischl. Dudes lurking, but also his bona read was inconsistent and he keeps promising to catch up and post reads but doesn't, and then gave an excuse about his dog getting sick (which I'd feel bad about if true). But his posts just look like he's choosing to be a lurker rather than being busy, which points me more towards scum lfischl than town lfischl

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I'm going to take just a moment to make it clear PRs should not reveal unless they have a very good reason:
Case 1: PRs are scum
There are currently 24 living players: 14 VT, 5 town PRs, 3 scum PRs, 2 goons. 8 are PRs, 16 are not.
3/8 PRs are scum, so a PR has a 3/8 chance to be scum.
2/16 non-PRs are scum, so a non-PR has a 1/8 chance to be scum.
5/24 players are scum, so someone who hasn't been specified as either PR or not PR has a 5/24, or roughly 1/5, chance to be scum.
Therefore, anyone who claims PR is more likely to be scum than someone who doesn't. Therefore, town PRs should not claim PR.
Case 2: We need our PRs
This setup is, unfortunately, very swingy. There are roles like Arcane Trickster, Bardic Inspiration, and Wild Magic that are very weak as town and very strong as scum, roles like Light Cleric/Enchantment (alignment cop) and Unarmored Defense Barbarian hat are good for town but weak as scum. This setup has a potential to get very out of hand if mafia have strong PRs. Don't reveal just to make a point.
Case 3: The Tadpole Problem
For those of you who didn't read the setup, the mafia can once per game instead of nightkilling during the night give a town player a tadpole. That player will then have to choose whether to accept and become mafia (keeping any PR abilities they might have) or deny the recruitment. Mafia must use this ability during one of the first 4 nights.
Mafia will probably want to recruit a PR who is at least mostly towncleared. Revealing PR might seem like a great oppurtunity to get recruited. However, having revealed you are a PR, town will know you are a PR and therefore a potential recruitment target. Daykilling you would be pointless because we couldn't be certain you had been recruited. As a result, you might simply be ignored for the rest of the game.
Let this be a cautionary tale. Do not reveal PR unless you have a VERY GOOD reason.

[Squigs44]

Thank God we had a dayvig and didn't waste an entire day on a runaway damo wagon. Can we use this flip to actually get some good wagons going now?

Jamie I'd like to know your Vecna thoughts now?
Fox, is food still scumslipping with town damo?

I think food may be scum. But that obviously wasn't a scumslip.

Very suspicious you suddenly believe in scumslips.

I don't. I was asking if Fox still believes it after I've been trying to convince him it wasnt

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

unfortunately for the worse

Ok Ill grant you that its a mafia chip in their hat, who were the people that asked, a bunch of people are rereading EOD, I'd like to know the answer to this question; it might correlate with other things...I still dont think its a bad question to ask and so if thats the entire case against someone Im dismissing it out of hand, they need a lot of other stuff PLUS THIS to say their mafia
Maybe if someone spent their entire time asking for whats the case and not actually making a case or deciding then that is definetly indicative of mafia, no one is THAT indecivisve if they are trying to solve the game

could I request you add the return key/carriage to your speed typing skills?

… did you just call the enter key the carriage key???

[Yoyoyozo]

Thank God we had a dayvig and didn't waste an entire day on a runaway damo wagon. Can we use this flip to actually get some good wagons going now?

Jamie I'd like to know your Vecna thoughts now?
Fox, is food still scumslipping with town damo?

Um no. Vigs should focus on eliminating the enemy faction. Killing town in order to save time cuts the amount of playing time we have left. We now have one less day to eliminate mafia, Damo could have been a PR waiting to claim until later. The drawbacks outweigh the benefits in this situation.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##VOTE BUNNY

Bunny’s ISO just looks like him trying to put shade on the easy flips and push agendas. A sacrificial lamb of sorts to cast doubt into the minds of the masses

Well...I think Just might be town this game.

He's not bussing.

He's not *being* bussed.

And his vote is wrong, mistimed, and misJustified in a way that seems towny.

My vote is right and you are trying to subtly discourage others from hoping on your wagon

[Balki Bartokomous]

I’m going to ##vote ghug.

No, I’m not.

##unvote

@ghug, please solve the game.

##vote Sweet?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Huh. Damo's dead. That at least removes one confusing player here. Mafia PRs would be very unlikely to vig a town who was getting wagoned, so I assume this was a town kill. However, as I just made a giant post about, TOWN PRS SHOULD NOT REVEAL, including whoever just vigged damo.
The flavor also makes me thing the Archery Fighter (2 shot vig) killed damo.

Immediate reactions:

Remember that whole "Dip is grooming for the damo town flip"?

Just saying.

Also RIP damo.

Demon is still trying to wagon me, and has decided that someone I'm not voting for and haven't gotten a concrete read on is town makes me scum. This post feels more like tunneling than scum, though.

Can I convince anyone to join me on lfischl. Dudes lurking, but also his bona read was inconsistent and he keeps promising to catch up and post reads but doesn't, and then gave an excuse about his dog getting sick (which I'd feel bad about if true). But his posts just look like he's choosing to be a lurker rather than being busy, which points me more towards scum lfischl than town lfischl

Squiggs trying to get people to join his wagon. Null for this post.

##unvote

I dunno.

Balki being confused. Idk why, but this looks scummy to me.

I guess the good thing about this is that whoever shot is Townclear. No way Mafia makes that shot.

Might as well claim the kill, I think, assuming no powers left.

Sweet hasn't read the setup.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Thank God we had a dayvig and didn't waste an entire day on a runaway damo wagon. Can we use this flip to actually get some good wagons going now?

Jamie I'd like to know your Vecna thoughts now?
Fox, is food still scumslipping with town damo?

I think food may be scum. But that obviously wasn't a scumslip.

Very suspicious you suddenly believe in scumslips.

@Sweet, do you sincerely think this was “very suspicious”? I don’t think you do.

[Col7by]

##vote lfischl

I noted previously that I think there is a scum that was a leader among the top wagons EOD1 and I think fisch is someone I was weary on due to this. Not sure how to interpret being on the Damo wagon just now. I would consider glum as a vote as well because they were also a wagon?

[Balki Bartokomous]

I feel better about Dip with his push on me, for the record.