M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[damo666]

@Flav you've made your mind up so I'll ignore you but for the rest of the class...

Ham's posts were very scummy hence my read. I was wrong but have no regrets (other than to Ham himself). Even if all 5 scum voted Ham (and nobody is gonna think that) AT LEAST 3 other town also thought Ham was scum, probably a lot more.

Town can be wrong. All the non scum who voted me for instance.

I think we should be looking at Dip Flum Jamie and maybe ghug.

Will is a strong townread.

No no no, I understand why people thought HB was scummy he cracked under pressure, but YOU were the one who started his wagon and YOU were the one who failed to explain it. No one is saying town cant be wrong, but town should be able to explain the reasons they vote for things and not just brush off any questions about it

I quoted the posts I thought were evidently scummy, so much so no further explanation was needed.

[FlaviusAetius]

1) Respect the dead. Kak wanted D&W.
2) It kinda doesn't. But D&W's hard on for kak into claiming he knew he was town all along on D2 is a textbook distance attempt, esp. when I've gone full rabid dog and there was a call for him.
3) D&W played no small part in HB flipping instead of damo, then immediately hedged the defense post flip.
4) Respect the dead.

If you think its possible that D&W is townie, and they took down Kak as a result so we'd do another misskill, then go for Ghug, it tells us a lot more about Kak's team than killing D&W does. It was well known Kak wanted D&W gone, Kak's other players in his team were not well known and posted last mintue.

[FlaviusAetius]

Guys I have been open and honest that my Flum vote was based off of one thing and his tadpole stuff, and he's doubled and tripled down on it, but that cant be it; I was HOPING to find more stuff against this man but I dont have anything. The HB wagon is just silliness but the damo wagon? Im not sure its not nothing

Ok thanks for actually responding. You’re being open about not having much of a base to vote flum while at the same time saying you think the damo wagon has merit. However, you’re still sitting on the flum wagon. This seems super sus to me.

I like this post from Aaro. It feels like it’s seeking engagement in the right sort of way, while also making a reasonable point.

I left the Flum wagon like seconds after he made that post

[FlaviusAetius]

Also @aaro you were around EOD more than I thought you were just went back to the moment Balki pointed out and saw that

[BunnyGo]

Some of those not on the lead wagons were AFK, and the lead wagons at the time were much less clear, so I dont think the group of 11 is actually the group of 11.
aarodactyl & will were both early voters of me but then didnt get back for when things changed. Same with lfishcl for Flum. I read Colby as town I liked his analysis and his reponses to my questioning of him. I also read Kak as a town, and HB is dead so he isnt apart of the group of 11 either.

So... that leaves king ofpirates who was AFK this entire time basically so he doesnt count either and not sure what to think of Balki yet, so put him to the side I suppose..

LEAVING;
TheMadMonarch(who??), ghug & Bona

For Flav and anyone else who hasn't been here in a while TheMadMonarch is the player formerly using the handle Macca.

Good to know, but I was talking ore in reference to that she/they hasnt spoken basically at all.

fyp

[BunnyGo]

Foxcastle cooked and made the best argument I've seen this game so far.

I *wish* I could reward Fox's efforts by townreading him but this seems more like annoyance/self-preservation rather than townie behavior; scum Foxcastle and town foxcastle could've made this post.

What about his argument spoke to you?

How did it tell you something about this game we're playing?

It's not the argument just the effort.

It's similar vibes to this meme:

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fkslk7bp3svn21.jpg%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D4ad6a266af9e4257521987e7aa12bbde0a36631e

It's the effort that's astonishing not the end product

If effort is all it takes to get you to townread someone, I have bad news for you about hunting several of the players here.

[FlaviusAetius]

For Flav and anyone else who hasn't been here in a while TheMadMonarch is the player formerly using the handle Macca.

Good to know, but I was talking ore in reference to that she/they hasnt spoken basically at all.

fyp

thanks

[BunnyGo]

I also find a weird shift for Bunny day 1 to day 2, in volume of posting and tone. Maybe Bunny just got tired of RP or finally caved to the complaints.

Bunny has been playing D1 differently than D2+ for many games now.

bongo, by trying to escape meta by playing self-awarely each d1, has fallen into a new meta. really says something doesn't it

Don't care. I started it because I got killed D1 as town (and town PR) every game (or every other game) in a row for a while (favorite was when brainbomb got me speedwagoned by hardclaiming as VT my own PR role). My scum tell had become surviving to D2 without a top three wagon at EOD1.

Now I at least get to play the game, and have ameliorated whatever was going on with my old style of playing town D1.

And ##vote Dip, that post by the summoned demon was very convincing.

[BunnyGo]

##unvote

[BunnyGo]

I didn't softclaim it. Yoyo told me to shoot Ezio. I'm just running with it.

Hmm...

And who (presumably besides you) would you rather I not shoot?

Joke answer: bona because he talked me into this game and if I have to read this much gameplay, he should have to as well

Real answer: problem Jamiet, I get town vibes from him and he usually is good at keeping people solving later in the game

aaro if i die i won't read anything

That's why he wants you to stay around

[BunnyGo]

I mean I literally said I'm not convinced by Balki. I'm just trying to get all the people going "ooh Fox made a cool case" to actually give an opinion on the content of Balkis case instead of just glossing over it because you put in some work digging up quotes. I want them to clear you because they believe you've done stuff this game, not because Balki was wrong in previous games. Or maybe they revisit the case and find something to follow up on

If you write some code, and it gives the same output regardless of the data you feed it, do you say "we really need to consider that last batch of data on its own," or do you start to wonder if the program is broken?

You pointed to the bad code and so I asked people to ignore the code and look at the data itself to draw their own conclusions. Are you advocating we don't give reads on you because Balkis case would contaminate those reads or something?

OK squigs: how do you feel about their abilities to argue terribly like this? Does Balki keep up this weird push as town? As scum? Based on Fox's claims that he wouldn't join at all until Balki dropped, does that make this frustration more towny? more scummy? more NAI?

@Vecna: same questions. You were talking about Balki before he even showed up and have disappeared since. Did he sub in for you?

[BunnyGo]

As much as I'd want to see Jamie's reaction to me voting him I'm gonna change my vote seeing as EoD will be rather near by the time I wake up.

##vote Ghug

1. It's a reaction to his vote on me
2. I want to bring more attention to Ghug's scumminess.

And...he's out of my strong townreads.

[FlaviusAetius]

As much as I'd want to see Jamie's reaction to me voting him I'm gonna change my vote seeing as EoD will be rather near by the time I wake up.

##vote Ghug

1. It's a reaction to his vote on me
2. I want to bring more attention to Ghug's scumminess.

And...he's out of my strong townreads.

You've posted a lot in D2 the day is almost up, yet you still have an unvote, who are you voting for and why? More importantly...when

[BunnyGo]

In the nicest way possible, I think that’s at least half of why he signs up to play mafia.

Unpopular opinion, I like how Bunny plays mafia. It's like they *GASP* are enjoying the game instead of whining.

Oh for those of you that don’t know, I’m allowed to make fun of bunny.

It's true...payback for my failure as a swim instructor. Also I owe him for helping me change careers.

The rest of you are allowed to also; I just don't have to keep liking you if you do.

[BunnyGo]

As much as I'd want to see Jamie's reaction to me voting him I'm gonna change my vote seeing as EoD will be rather near by the time I wake up.

##vote Ghug

1. It's a reaction to his vote on me
2. I want to bring more attention to Ghug's scumminess.

And...he's out of my strong townreads.

You've posted a lot in D2 the day is almost up, yet you still have an unvote, who are you voting for and why? More importantly...when

I'll stay on unvote until nearer EOD (I got 10 hours, bro) because of that wacky power role that can freeze the votes that aren't on unvote.

I've made clear when I'd change my vote. I'd be voting D&W now if not for that role.

[BunnyGo]

I'm here and ready to rumble. I have not caught up but that's okay. Has anything major happened that's actually worth reading?

Squigs tried taunting and wagoning a dead townie.

[BunnyGo]

does a town bungo spend him time arguing over interpretations of rules that cannot possibly matter to any living player? unfortunately, probably yes.

In the nicest way possible, I think that’s at least half of why he signs up to play mafia.

deeply true

I don't like you...

[FlaviusAetius]

And...he's out of my strong townreads.

You've posted a lot in D2 the day is almost up, yet you still have an unvote, who are you voting for and why? More importantly...when

I'll stay on unvote until nearer EOD (I got 10 hours, bro) because of that wacky power role that can freeze the votes that aren't on unvote.

I've made clear when I'd change my vote. I'd be voting D&W now if not for that role.

I think unvote counts

[BunnyGo]

Brain posted something in the discord that showed Sweet being killed D1 as mafia three times. Is Sweet really bad at being scum?

Several times were parts of massive bussing efforts (like literally, EVERY member of worcej-ghug-will-sweet were bussing each other all of D1 and dominating the thread talking to each other at moments)

So I wouldn't say he's *bad* at being scum; I'd say he contributes to the team effort, and he doesn't have the same tone as when he's town.

[BunnyGo]

You've posted a lot in D2 the day is almost up, yet you still have an unvote, who are you voting for and why? More importantly...when

I'll stay on unvote until nearer EOD (I got 10 hours, bro) because of that wacky power role that can freeze the votes that aren't on unvote.

I've made clear when I'd change my vote. I'd be voting D&W now if not for that role.

I think unvote counts

Wild Magic: Once per game, may choose to freeze all votes for the day, allowing only people who have not voted to still place a vote. This will be processed as a live action.

##Call GM do players on Unvote still get to place a vote?