M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[DemonRHK]

1) Respect the dead. Kak wanted D&W.
2) It kinda doesn't. But D&W's hard on for kak into claiming he knew he was town all along on D2 is a textbook distance attempt, esp. when I've gone full rabid dog and there was a call for him.
3) D&W played no small part in HB flipping instead of damo, then immediately hedged the defense post flip.
4) Respect the dead.

Can you elaborate on what you mean at point 2 here? What is “textbook distancing” to you?

See the quote wall. Pushed on kak almost every moment of D1 that wasn't a HB push. Then in the opening post of D2 tried to play it off that they were town on kak.

[Balki Bartokomous]

@Jamiet have you ever played with Damo before?

Oooo, I know the answer! Can I answer?

[Balki Bartokomous]

1) Respect the dead. Kak wanted D&W.
2) It kinda doesn't. But D&W's hard on for kak into claiming he knew he was town all along on D2 is a textbook distance attempt, esp. when I've gone full rabid dog and there was a call for him.
3) D&W played no small part in HB flipping instead of damo, then immediately hedged the defense post flip.
4) Respect the dead.

Can you elaborate on what you mean at point 2 here? What is “textbook distancing” to you?

See the quote wall. Pushed on kak almost every moment of D1 that wasn't a HB push. Then in the opening post of D2 tried to play it off that they were town on kak.

What do you mean by the word “distancing”?

[DemonRHK]

What do you mean by the word “distancing”?

DISTANCE
MAKE TRACK
CHEESE IT
REMOVE ONESELF FROM THE SCENE OF THE CRIME.

Be in the fuckin mud with kak, especially early D1 with flum, and then when kak flaps town, suddenly say 'Oh I knew kak was town. Anyway, all these other things and DEF DO NOT PAY ATTENTION that kak's last words were about me.'

[Balki Bartokomous]

@ghug,

I am here to be persuaded to vote for Dousing.

* Sits down cross-legged
* Folds hands in lap

[Balki Bartokomous]

From this point I got several cases against people;

Those who bandwagoned Jamie right out of the gate are super sus, they jumped on an easy target for his attitude, and even voted for him! Like that's not even playing the game seriously.

Kak super defended himself against that troll thing he did in the beginning with the no-vote people D1, like sure explain yourself and move on but he KEPT ON TALKING ABOUT IT. That isnt normal

Vecna & HamiltonBrian both asked about how many mafia there are, so either they didnt pay attention at ALL to the signup thread(mega DOUBT!) or their asking a mafia type useless question...clearly no one is going with my Flum catch so Im voting HamiltonBrian since he's the only one I have on my suspicions lists...but im still reading so I might flip ##VOTE HamiltonBrian

I also suspect D&W slightly for putting me as Lawful Good, but need more

Suspicious you jump off of Flum right when I jump back on the wagon.

Come back and prove yourself!

DEAL(i didnt know you jumped back on)
##vote fluminator

THE CASE FOR FLUMINATOR;
Is him suspecting sweetandcool because sweetandcool would accept a tadpole, so he THINKS sweetandcool is a TOWN, yet wants him out anyways! This is a trait half of the people here would do, most people are accepting that tadpole if you want to admit it yourself or not.
Also asking the question is not only useless(cause most people would do it), but ALSO if you are a PR thats pretty much the ONLY REASON you wouldnt accept the tadpole so thats a roundabout way of finding people who are PR and who are not. Its just so CRAZY to even ask this question and then continue to PUSH and DEFEND IT!!

This looks very much like a case built by a Wolf. It’s overwrought. It just feels more like “Gotcha! A case to push!” than a sincere effort at solving a puzzle. I’ve seen a lot of this same energy from Flavius. This is one example, but I feel like I’ve been stumbling over other posts of this same kind.

Folks who have played more with Flavius: is this just kind of his vibe, or does this look insincere to you too?

[Balki Bartokomous]

Is ghug maybe a scumbucket in this game? Mayyyyyyyybe.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Guys I have been open and honest that my Flum vote was based off of one thing and his tadpole stuff, and he's doubled and tripled down on it, but that cant be it; I was HOPING to find more stuff against this man but I dont have anything. The HB wagon is just silliness but the damo wagon? Im not sure its not nothing

Ok thanks for actually responding. You’re being open about not having much of a base to vote flum while at the same time saying you think the damo wagon has merit. However, you’re still sitting on the flum wagon. This seems super sus to me.

I like this post from Aaro. It feels like it’s seeking engagement in the right sort of way, while also making a reasonable point.

[Balki Bartokomous]

YOOOOOO THIS IS A SCUMSLIP BY HB

So me copying the first post I made, because I didn't want to retype it all, and instead just move the names around as they then felt to me is a ...SCUMSLIP!

I expect better. I explained myself. Y'all can pound sand with your bullshit "gotcha's." You ain't got shit.

I like this response by HB.

Oooo, so I also liked this response from HB, and I like that you liked it.

[Balki Bartokomous]

Just got through EOD1

Vecna looks Town to me there. I am just getting panic solve energy.

Still feel good about Town!Squigs. Probably my strongest read right now.

Where was ghug? I feel like he’s usually around, being a leader EOD1. I didn’t feel like he put his mark on the day in the way I expect from him. Not convinced that’s NAI. @ghug, what’s up?

[Balki Bartokomous]

did ghug excuse himself for missing eod somewhere?

I cant for the life of me remember an eod without him present lol

Right. This. Especially Day 1.

Maybe this gets addressed later…?

[ghug]

This is a "I read and upvote the GM's posts" slip.

You're really bad at reading.

Yes...and? What does this mean to you?

GM NOTE

A question was raised about how Circle of the Moon would work with there being a God Thread.

So players are aware, this game features an unspoiled environment upon death, regardless of whether there was a circle of the moon or knowledge role in play. This is mostly to spawn unique dialogue which I feel is often tainted by people spectating with an answer sheet.

Reads to me like "no God Thread". Maybe some "unspoiled environment" but no "God Thread".

But if there's Circle of the Moon, then I doubt he'd allow all the ghosts to talk to the one that's sent back...

You read brain fine, but you fell short on ghug.

[ghug]

##vote Diplomacy

I truly have no idea what's going on being almost 40 pages behind. I don't have the time to get caught up on the whole game this evening, but his D1 post count is beyond normal to me for his slot and I think he may be excited scum.

Again - I am not following the damo wagon here. Using the bot, Jamie's at least saying he's scum and crusaded HB. Col7by doesn't explain his reasoning well enough for me to see and lfischl is voting damo because of HB.

Was damo really the main manipulator for the HB wagon? He voted him first but then wasn't a deciding vote to ensure he died... I don't see the context to blame him for it.

Why did you pick Dip?

[Ezio]

Yo Ghug, why vote dribbles?

[ghug]

If he's right about your meta, then you taking a big role D1 makes you an obv mafia. Kak says your meta as a town is to be mysterious and nebluous whereas here you were insistent you were a town and acting as one of the biggest solvers there ever was with Vecna. This makes me think you were a townie, except for that weird wanna buddy up to solve the game, I can look past that, but according to Kak that is not you. Also he pointed out something I completely missed;
"Ghug's intend to 'try not to solve until day 4' is just atrocious and I doubt town ghug would ever feel that way."

So either your a big solver and thats unlike your town meta
Or you are a solver, and you all of a sudden dont want to solve until day 4

Either way super sus, and Im surprised no one else is paying attention to anything Kak is saying. As I explained, Im not sure Kak is right about Dip or Flum, but everything he pointed out would all line right on you guys as a team, if you were all mafia.

Well, first off, I think you took mysterious to mean quiet, which is not the case. I'm always loud. Kak is right that I work harder to be townread when I'm scum, but it's more that I say shit when I'm town that's not designed to look good.

Beyond that, though this isn't logically coherent.

For one, I never said I wanted to solve the game with Vecna. For two, you're acknowledging yourself that I said something that you and Kak both found scummy, which runs against the idea that I'm playing to be townread. For three, the entire basis of his own argument is that I'm openly insisting I'm town, which isn't something that regularly garners townreads.

It feels like you're just trying to jump on a shitty argument that you can wash your hands of by blaming Kak when you're wrong. I do not get the sense that you're applying serious consideration here.

What on earth are you talking about?
"I say stuff not designed to look good" when you are TOWN!?! That defeats the whole purpose of being a townie and is anti-town at best, you are just confusing everyone and inviting townies to suspect you and then be suspected for suspecting you over totally reasonable stuff. No what Kak meant was that you tried to stay NAI as a townie...not that you ACTIVELY tried to do stuff that was anti-town.

You and Vecna were being buddy buddy about solving the game, and I put a stop to that real quick by saying no you guys should try to solve the game independently, that would tell us a lot more than some random team up.

You saying this scummy thing is exactly the contradiction I put forward that you did
"So either your a big solver and thats unlike your town meta
Or you are a solver, and you all of a sudden dont want to solve until day 4"

Either way doesn't look good. His entire basis for town is threefolded, one you fit well into the team, and two you are going against your meta when you are a townie, and three(one that Im putting together) you are acting like a big solver, but then all of a sudden dont want to solve the game, that you havent answered for. I dont like that no one else here is paying attention to what Kak is saying but to the @Dip voters;

Ghug and Flum tell us a lot more about Kak's team than Dip does.

Ok I'm back to thinking Flavius is town, and also back to thinking our relationship is going to be exhausting.

1. "I say stuff not designed to look good." not "I say stuff designed to not look good." there's an important difference.
2. I was not being buddy buddy with Vecna. I noted that we agreed and sweet ran with it, which is weird but I'm struggling to find scum motivation.
3. Your contradiction contradicts itself.
4. Has anyone agreed with Kak's meta read yet?

[ghug]

Balki called FoxCastle low impact, and attributed that to scumminess. Do people think Fox isn't low impact, or do they think he isn't scummy for that? Or do you agree with Balki?

I find Fox's frustration compelling, but that's the only thing that's really given me strong feelings, which is a point against him.

[ghug]

@Dousing
D&W is also a person who throws his vote around so hi calling Ghug a powerwolf 4 seperate times and not actually voting for him is crazy, I still think Ghug tells us a lot more about the team if Ghug flips, then Dip is next and if Dip flips then Flum is next

tbh, I slightly scumread Ghug so D&W's shading of Ghug might be a little warrented. Either way I see your point about D&W.

Don't know why you @'ed me, but I love the attention lol

Dousing is unironically scum by the way.

[ghug]

Sweet is confusing me, they seem like their throwing. Admittedly, they said they'd do as much in the signup thread. Either way it's kinda tainting their arguments in an undue negative light.

For example, I really like what they said about Bunny (http://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=406327#p406327) but then they start voting for a dead Kak???

To use a terrible analogy: Sweet is kinda like the Kanye West of this game thread.

##VOTE Dousing

Why are you vote flipping so much you voted dousing, foxcastle, then back to dousing all with zero explanation

I have to vote vote snippers. It's a rule.

Also Dousing is scum and the post I quoted with my first vote is why.

[ghug]

In the nicest way possible, I think that’s at least half of why he signs up to play mafia.

Unpopular opinion, I like how Bunny plays mafia. It's like they *GASP* are enjoying the game instead of whining.

Oh for those of you that don’t know, I’m allowed to make fun of bunny.

Everyone's allowed to make fun of Bunny because even Bunny deserves fun in his life.

[damo666]

Willing to vote anyone sta "F"

##vote Jamie