M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[Bonatogether]

Joke answer: bona because he talked me into this game and if I have to read this much gameplay, he should have to as well

Real answer: problem Jamiet, I get town vibes from him and he usually is good at keeping people solving later in the game

aaro if i die i won't read anything

I know. That’s why I said I didn’t want him to shoot you.

oh so true. i didn't read all the words in the post i quoted.

[FlaviusAetius]

I see there is this big FoxCastle argument, and I would like to see results from FoxCastle's spreadsheet before any suspicions are laid upon him, I think it'll tell us a lot. But I think its about time we recieved them. @FoxCastle?

strongly strongly dislike this post

I was just about to bump this because this whole FoxCastle thing is derailing things real quick, why do you dislike it? I like it

[Dousing]

As for you wanting me to be DARING! BOLD! BRASH! and whatever else, I don't care, that's not how I play day 1, that's basically never how I play.

*Insert flashback mirage effect*

MY final thoughts;

The first game I played, I rolled scum, and then my entire scum team was caught, one right after the other, the first four days of game. I went on to win, it was pretty glorious, but then a couple games later, there was another newbie player, and I could just tell he was scum because he was playing the same game I did when I was new. And I was right about that, and that's also what I'm seeing in Sweet. 
Rdr, I can't find it, but I know in past games we have done this exact thing before where you say you don't like my play and then I end up town. I can't find the specific post in a previous game where I told you to remember that, but if you message me your address, I will hand embroider a pillow cover that says "Note to Self: I can't read Foxcastle at all and I should stop voting him on Day 1."

Eden, Damo, and Bozo would be where I look after Sweet. 

...Cap

(This is a D1 Foxcastle and there's like seven posts on this day where he tunnels like this)

[Squigs44]

I disagree with ghug on enough things that I don't think he's scum... probably...

huh? why does that matter, you guys could just be reading the situation differently...or he's working towards an ulterior motive...

Ghug has successfully pocketed me multiple times by playing almost exactly how Vecna is now playing. So him disagreeing with me is something unique to every scum!ghug I have seen

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

YOOOOOO THIS IS A SCUMSLIP BY HB

Bad. Scumpoints for food and flav

It was a stressful EOD, I was having trouble catching up in time and had to skip 10 or so pages. I was looking for the slip that wasnt there, HB gave a reasonable response to this and I ended up siding with him in the end and went with damo, after the whole Flum wagon, and then the Dip flash wagon

This is teh most scummy response you could possibly have

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

does a town bungo spend him time arguing over interpretations of rules that cannot possibly matter to any living player? unfortunately, probably yes.

In the nicest way possible, I think that’s at least half of why he signs up to play mafia.

Unpopular opinion, I like how Bunny plays mafia. It's like they *GASP* are enjoying the game instead of whining.

Omgee play to have fun first

[Dousing]

I'm here and ready to rumble. I have not caught up but that's okay. Has anything major happened that's actually worth reading?

Honestly? Yes

[Squigs44]

If you write some code, and it gives the same output regardless of the data you feed it, do you say "we really need to consider that last batch of data on its own," or do you start to wonder if the program is broken?

You pointed to the bad code and so I asked people to ignore the code and look at the data itself to draw their own conclusions. Are you advocating we don't give reads on you because Balkis case would contaminate those reads or something?

can someone use small sentences to explain this coding metaphor

Balki is bullying Fox
Fox is frustrated
Squigs is telling people to hang out with Fox and decide for themselves if Fox is cool

[Fluminator]

I'm here and ready to rumble. I have not caught up but that's okay. Has anything major happened that's actually worth reading?

Honestly? Yes

Can you give me a summary from your perspective?

[Fluminator]

You pointed to the bad code and so I asked people to ignore the code and look at the data itself to draw their own conclusions. Are you advocating we don't give reads on you because Balkis case would contaminate those reads or something?

can someone use small sentences to explain this coding metaphor

Balki is bullying Fox
Fox is frustrated
Squigs is telling people to hang out with Fox and decide for themselves if Fox is cool

Balki vs. Fox. That is definitely something that's happened many times before lol

[aarodactyl]

can someone use small sentences to explain this coding metaphor

Balki is bullying Fox
Fox is frustrated
Squigs is telling people to hang out with Fox and decide for themselves if Fox is cool

Balki vs. Fox. That is definitely something that's happened many times before lol

That’s the whole basis behind why fox is frustrated.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I haven’t noticed Balki bullying fox

Sure hes pushing him but that is not equivalent to bullying

[FlaviusAetius]

I’m pretty sure this is provably false but I don’t think it means anything.

Hey, aaro. Who do *you* think I should vig shot?

1) if you were vig, I highly doubt you’d be soft claim like this. So this question is kind of moot
2) I don’t know the meta but it seems bad to vig shot here entirely
3) Flavius gives me weird vibes but I’ve never played with them before. Just generally I felt like they’ve had a lot of exaggerated reactions to things.

This is how I play. I basically live tweet the game and respond to it as I'm catching up it, I think A LOT of people play it like that, in such a large game its basically impossible to be up to date on it 24/7. Also I know you made a comment that you accused me and now you accuse me even harder because I defended myself. That is VERY backwards logic, and it wasnt just you it was will too, and you both just went AFK after accusing me, so now you BOTH made me a viable wagon at EOD without even being present and all you had was "vibes". I wish you didnt do that

[Bonatogether]

Im saying people asking whats the case is a GOOD thing, not a BAD thing.

my point is that it makes the whole thing dumb as rocks - if there's a clearly laid out case, voting is taking a position on that case. this d1, people spent more time arguing about if a case existed than about the actual cases. this is posting without positioning, and it's probably difficult to discern anything from it atm. (inb4 someone says 'bona says no rereading! bona says no rereading!' that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying that there's an extra layer of shit compared to normal)

I dont think its a BAD thing people are cautious about their votes, I agree people need to take posistions; im FINE with that, BUT Id like them to at least understand the arguments behind them first...

ok senor. i don't believe there was any serious arguments, because it was d1, and like all d1s, there was nothing between the shit and the post. everyone here knows that. so, therefore, we must ask: why did so many people spend their time asking for the ironclad reasons for wagons? the possibilities are that people here suddenly had mass amnesia about the nature of d1, or that they were intentionally trying to kick up dust about who was driving what and why. of course, not everyone who did that was wrong for asking - it's a question in many games - but the herd should understand that there is never a super coherent reason on d1. i strongly believe that scum are overrepresented among those asking 'why this wagon', regardless of the towniness of those being wagonned, for this reason. it is not towny to avoid shitposting, in short

[Fluminator]

Brain posted something in the discord that showed Sweet being killed D1 as mafia three times. Is Sweet really bad at being scum?

[Fluminator]

my point is that it makes the whole thing dumb as rocks - if there's a clearly laid out case, voting is taking a position on that case. this d1, people spent more time arguing about if a case existed than about the actual cases. this is posting without positioning, and it's probably difficult to discern anything from it atm. (inb4 someone says 'bona says no rereading! bona says no rereading!' that's not what i'm saying. i'm saying that there's an extra layer of shit compared to normal)

I dont think its a BAD thing people are cautious about their votes, I agree people need to take posistions; im FINE with that, BUT Id like them to at least understand the arguments behind them first...

ok senor. i don't believe there was any serious arguments, because it was d1, and like all d1s, there was nothing between the shit and the post. everyone here knows that. so, therefore, we must ask: why did so many people spend their time asking for the ironclad reasons for wagons? the possibilities are that people here suddenly had mass amnesia about the nature of d1, or that they were intentionally trying to kick up dust about who was driving what and why. of course, not everyone who did that was wrong for asking - it's a question in many games - but the herd should understand that there is never a super coherent reason on d1. i strongly believe that scum are overrepresented among those asking 'why this wagon', regardless of the towniness of those being wagonned, for this reason. it is not towny to avoid shitposting, in short

This is the longest post I've ever seen from Bona. Has Canada changed you?

[Bonatogether]

I see there is this big FoxCastle argument, and I would like to see results from FoxCastle's spreadsheet before any suspicions are laid upon him, I think it'll tell us a lot. But I think its about time we recieved them. @FoxCastle?

strongly strongly dislike this post

I was just about to bump this because this whole FoxCastle thing is derailing things real quick, why do you dislike it? I like it

it's externally moving focus on a player being debated from their weak argument, to something presumably something stronger-looking (again, effort isn't inherently towny in my opinion). it doesn't engage with the weak point, but tries to move away from it without resolving it

[Dousing]

effort is not towny
source: one time i made the most giant post known to man as scum in order to bury eden

I *wish* I could reward Fox's efforts by townreading him but this seems more like annoyance/self-preservation rather than townie behavior; scum Foxcastle and town foxcastle could've made this post.

this doesn't seem like town foxy just I-don't-want-to-be-a-wagon-foxy

- What does this have to do with how I wouldn't townread foxy for his argument?

Also, thinking about it, I think aaro is right to consider Foxcastle's votes

@Aaro I would like to state for the record that I previously *explicitly* said I'm not town-reading Foxcastle.

*Snipped*

*Insert flashback mirage effect*

*Snipped*

...Cap

(This is a D1 Foxcastle and there's like seven posts on this day where he tunnels like this)

How about you do the *slightest* bit of effort before coming after me?

[Bonatogether]

You pointed to the bad code and so I asked people to ignore the code and look at the data itself to draw their own conclusions. Are you advocating we don't give reads on you because Balkis case would contaminate those reads or something?

can someone use small sentences to explain this coding metaphor

Balki is bullying Fox
Fox is frustrated
Squigs is telling people to hang out with Fox and decide for themselves if Fox is cool

ooga booga

bona understands

[aarodactyl]

Hey, aaro. Who do *you* think I should vig shot?

1) if you were vig, I highly doubt you’d be soft claim like this. So this question is kind of moot
2) I don’t know the meta but it seems bad to vig shot here entirely
3) Flavius gives me weird vibes but I’ve never played with them before. Just generally I felt like they’ve had a lot of exaggerated reactions to things.

This is how I play. I basically live tweet the game and respond to it as I'm catching up it, I think A LOT of people play it like that, in such a large game its basically impossible to be up to date on it 24/7. Also I know you made a comment that you accused me and now you accuse me even harder because I defended myself. That is VERY backwards logic, and it wasnt just you it was will too, and you both just went AFK after accusing me, so now you BOTH made me a viable wagon at EOD without even being present and all you had was "vibes". I wish you didnt do that

1) I know a lot of people do it. You just get really heated which feels over the top.
2) anyone that says they have more than vibes on d1 is being dishonest
3) I was pretty vocal about having a meeting. Unfortunately when I have several hours of meetings a day, 2pm is a lousy eod time.