M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[aarodactyl]

While Balki is just one vote on me, I'm taking my time to lay this out because Balki has a long history of railroading me. He scumreads me almost every time, he has never actually townread me, and he has been wrong every fucking time except one. So it's disappointing to see that he has learned nothing and is back for yet another round of "scumread Fox no matter what."

To quote yourself:

"Remember that time..." is very weak

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What you did and what foxcastle did are *polar opposites*

Foxcastle brought up FIVE different examples of Balki scumreading Foxcastle

You did the equivalent of "we were wolves man..."

He honestly left out the most important piece of that - what was Balki’s role when he did it. If he was scum even two of the times fox is citing, that gives him a 1/3 success rate at railroading which is honestly higher than most people can claim.

[Dousing]

Dousing: I'm...still pretty convinced he's town, but those last couple posts were less good.

WHAT?? Okay if I pretend to town-read you can be be friends again?

[sweetandcool]

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Foxcastle cooked and made the best argument I've seen this game so far.

I *wish* I could reward Fox's efforts by townreading him but this seems more like annoyance/self-preservation rather than townie behavior; scum Foxcastle and town foxcastle could've made this post.

His argument is that Balki is Mafia because Balki always* tunnels him?

That's the best argument you've seen?

[worcej]

##vote Diplomacy

I truly have no idea what's going on being almost 40 pages behind. I don't have the time to get caught up on the whole game this evening, but his D1 post count is beyond normal to me for his slot and I think he may be excited scum.

Again - I am not following the damo wagon here. Using the bot, Jamie's at least saying he's scum and crusaded HB. Col7by doesn't explain his reasoning well enough for me to see and lfischl is voting damo because of HB.

Was damo really the main manipulator for the HB wagon? He voted him first but then wasn't a deciding vote to ensure he died... I don't see the context to blame him for it.

[BunnyGo]

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Foxcastle cooked and made the best argument I've seen this game so far.

I *wish* I could reward Fox's efforts by townreading him but this seems more like annoyance/self-preservation rather than townie behavior; scum Foxcastle and town foxcastle could've made this post.

What about his argument spoke to you?

How did it tell you something about this game we're playing?

[Squigs44]

While Balki is just one vote on me, I'm taking my time to lay this out because Balki has a long history of railroading me. He scumreads me almost every time, he has never actually townread me, and he has been wrong every fucking time except one. So it's disappointing to see that he has learned nothing and is back for yet another round of "scumread Fox no matter what."

NB: I've snipped several quotes from previous games to keep this focused.

M34 - Balki is sure I'm scum (hooker, to be specific). I survive to the end of game to win as town: https://mafia.peterlund.se/m34/game_status.html

Foxy is Hooker. He is. I can feel it in my bones.

I’d order the lynch priority like this: Foxy, Flum, Vashta, rdrivera. Obviously cop scans can change that.

mM36 - Balki reads me as town conditional on another player's alignment.

I wouldn't lynch Foxcastle today, because the read is entirely derivative of RagingIke's alignment. But if it turns out that RagingIke is Town, then Flxcastle is probably scum.

See the whole thing here: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Balki*&word=Fox*&g=36

M1006 - Balki scumreads me. And I'm scum! But it's the exact same thing he says about me every time.

I mean...what did he even just say? Like, nothing. Nothing!

But he wrote a whole bunch of words, and he wrote about people who voted for other people so...so what?

EFFORT TO BLEND!

More Nothingness! Empty Void!

Kind of like a big, long, empty FOXHOLE!

Foxcastle is not content to be seen as doing nothing. He is putting in effort to be seen as doing something that looks vaguely like scum hunting. He's just not doing a great job at manufacturing a real process.

M46 Balki is scum, and he scum reads me. I flip town. But it's the same shit.

##vote Foxcastle

That's where my head is right now. Though, I am not at all confident. And I have not ISOed Fox, and I need to do that. But here are the impressions in my mind:

Fox has been sitting back, cracking jokes all the time, super chill. He has sprinkled in comments. He's been around. But he has not been taking stands. Most of his reads have been about gathering information or enforcing policies. He has not taken a stand on anything likely to get pushback. He has not made any scumread on an experienced player who would put him in the spotlight.

He's playing to avoid confrontation.

I made a similar read on him for similar reasons the last time we played together, and I was right at that time. I feel like he may be scum again here.

M54 Balki scum reads me. I flip town.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Balki*&word=Fox*&g=54

BALKI AND I HAVE PLAYED 5 GAMES TOGETHER. HE HAS NEVER TOWN READ ME. HE HAS CORRECTLY SCUMREAD ME ONE TIME.

HE HAS CONSISTENTLY USED THE SAME ARGUMENTS AGAINST ME THAT HE'S USING HERE. AND HE HAS BEEN WRONG EVERY TIME EXCEPT ONCE.

Serious question, Foxy:

How did you have time to find all that? Did you just have the games at your fingertips? Am *I* the fool who has to go through every single game to find old ones?

It's the power of spreadsheets, guaranteed

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Is anyone else having a problem with the bot where it pulls up the playerlist for Murder in the Meadery?

[Dousing]

I really don't see what's chaotic about my play, other than the unfortunate Kak incident.

[I'm just gonna leave this here]

[Dousing]

3) Flavius gives me weird vibes but I’ve never played with them before. Just generally I felt like they’ve had a lot of exaggerated reactions to things.

Really? I feel like they're fairly composed tbh. Also the fact that nobody is really out here vouching for Flavius makes him fairly clean town-read to me tbh

I think he calmed down closer to eod1 but when I was active, it felt like he was posting a lot and getting very frustrated but also very vocal about how he didn’t know who to vote. Which feels weird on day one.

Flavius was fine D1? Also you're admitting that N1 and D2 flavius is fine wich makes me question the purpose of you scumreading Flavius

[brainbomb]

Is anyone else having a problem with the bot where it pulls up the playerlist for Murder in the Meadery?

Its a known issue.

Its being worked on.

[worcej]

I really don't see what's chaotic about my play, other than the unfortunate Kak incident.

[I'm just gonna leave this here]

What's the point you're making?

[Squigs44]

Is anyone else having a problem with the bot where it pulls up the playerlist for Murder in the Meadery?

Yes, and the GMs posted about it as a known thing

[Foxcastle]

Up to page 93. I think Flav is town and Vecna is possibly scum.

[BunnyGo]

Dousing: I'm...still pretty convinced he's town, but those last couple posts were less good.

WHAT?? Okay if I pretend to town-read you can be be friends again?

shit. seriously? why do you care?

[aarodactyl]

Hey, aaro. Who do *you* think I should vig shot?

1) if you were vig, I highly doubt you’d be soft claim like this. So this question is kind of moot
2) I don’t know the meta but it seems bad to vig shot here entirely
3) Flavius gives me weird vibes but I’ve never played with them before. Just generally I felt like they’ve had a lot of exaggerated reactions to things.

I didn't softclaim it. Yoyo told me to shoot Ezio. I'm just running with it.

Hmm...

And who (presumably besides you) would you rather I not shoot?

Joke answer: bona because he talked me into this game and if I have to read this much gameplay, he should have to as well

Real answer: problem Jamiet, I get town vibes from him and he usually is good at keeping people solving later in the game

[BunnyGo]

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It's the power of spreadsheets, guaranteed

Thanks for the giggle

[aarodactyl]

Really? I feel like they're fairly composed tbh. Also the fact that nobody is really out here vouching for Flavius makes him fairly clean town-read to me tbh

I think he calmed down closer to eod1 but when I was active, it felt like he was posting a lot and getting very frustrated but also very vocal about how he didn’t know who to vote. Which feels weird on day one.

Flavius was fine D1? Also you're admitting that N1 and D2 flavius is fine wich makes me question the purpose of you scumreading Flavius

He wasn’t fine like 30-60 minutes before eod1. Also I probably scumlean him at most. I don’t have any strong scumreads at this point (and I think anyone that does is likely overconfident considering how early it is in the game)

[Dousing]

*Scissors Emoji*

I townlean you.

Why, this doesn't seem like town foxy just I-don't-want-to-be-a-wagon-foxy

(sorry for dismissing you foxcastle I know you took a lot of effort to cook like you did. However, at the end of the day, I have to play for the town and not for my feelings.)

That being said, there are two wrong things with this.

1. This is old history.
2. At best it shows Balki has a tunnel on you, it tells us nothing of his alignment this game.

1. You call it "old history" I call it a prior record. I feel like a lawyer should see it that way to :p.

2. it tells us that Balki's observations RE: foxcaslte are unreliable *regardless* of Balki's alignment

[Dousing]

I think he calmed down closer to eod1 but when I was active, it felt like he was posting a lot and getting very frustrated but also very vocal about how he didn’t know who to vote. Which feels weird on day one.

Flavius was fine D1? Also you're admitting that N1 and D2 flavius is fine wich makes me question the purpose of you scumreading Flavius

He wasn’t fine like 30-60 minutes before eod1. Also I probably scumlean him at most. I don’t have any strong scumreads at this point (and I think anyone that does is likely overconfident considering how early it is in the game)

Ahh, good point. I wasn't there for EoD 1 so that might be the root cause of this misunderstanding.

I'll try to ISO flavius to see if what you're saying is true. Regardless, if you want an anti-flavius wagon to work you should probably bring more evidence than "remember how wEiRd Flavius acted at EoD?"

[Yoyoyozo]

It’s kind of interesting that when I ask people what their reads are on someone, no one wants to say anything, but when I’m like “pretend you’re a PR, what would you do?” it’s like everything comes to life.