M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[ghug]

there's no GT...

Is this a livingslip?

This is a "I read and upvote the GM's posts" slip.

You're really bad at reading.

[sweetandcool]

Wait...Vecna just showed up in your list from nowhere.

Explain.

Vecna and ghug are the dream team I have been touting. You really are surprised I'm town reading at least one?

honestly: NOTHING you're saying makes any sense this game. It's as if you've decided to go off the deep end after the last game. So no, I am surprised by EVERY word out of your mouth, and I can't decide if it's just you being weird town, or you doing something megabrain town, or you being bad scum.

WHY are you town reading VECNA more than ghug? Your "dream team" has seemed completely random from the start and showed up in your posts before anything of any note happened.

They've always been my dream team. I just falsely thought for once they could team up since they were agreeing. I forgot the classic belief they share that if they are agreeing they are on different teams.

Vecna has been spitting truth most of the game, stuff I agree with. Strong sign he is Town. Idk about ghug yet.

[aarodactyl]

Absolutely. I was still catching up. Like a page or two.

I’m pretty sure this is provably false but I don’t think it means anything.

Hey, aaro. Who do *you* think I should vig shot?

1) if you were vig, I highly doubt you’d be soft claim like this. So this question is kind of moot
2) I don’t know the meta but it seems bad to vig shot here entirely
3) Flavius gives me weird vibes but I’ve never played with them before. Just generally I felt like they’ve had a lot of exaggerated reactions to things.

[ghug]

##VOTE Dousing again

[Dousing]

*Snipped to prevent spam*

Foxcastle cooked and made the best argument I've seen this game so far.

I *wish* I could reward Fox's efforts by townreading him but this seems more like annoyance/self-preservation rather than townie behavior; scum Foxcastle and town foxcastle could've made this post.

[Dousing]

##VOTE Dousing again

doo-doo head

[Squigs44]

While Balki is just one vote on me, I'm taking my time to lay this out because Balki has a long history of railroading me. He scumreads me almost every time, he has never actually townread me, and he has been wrong every fucking time except one. So it's disappointing to see that he has learned nothing and is back for yet another round of "scumread Fox no matter what."

To quote yourself:

"Remember that time..." is very weak

*quotes snipped for readability

[Squigs44]

In honesty I don't really see much in Balkis case but I also haven't felt much townie from you, mostly just pro town play at best

[BunnyGo]

OK WOOO! Back in real time!!

So, Mr. Flavius is correct I should post a celebratory summary of my thoughts

Ezio: annoying. he showed up, clearly had been following something, said "AMA and I'll participate"

ghug: growing on me. Like athletes foot. But I've been fooled before; with ghug I feel like I don't catch him early, but eventually he runs out of steam.

sweet: oh man...I mean...he *DID* just have his 3rd child, so maybe I cut him some crazy slack? I dunno.

Dousing: I'm...still pretty convinced he's town, but those last couple posts were less good.

damo: nothing new

Fox: shows up and leaves in ways that brush my subconcious and don't stick.

Vecna: Stood me up for my salsa dance. No idea what to make of this

aaro: I think this game is well within his scum style.

Balki: liking the effort, tone, thoughts, and questions

Col7by: I'm amazed he can keep anyone straight. Truly. Don't know if that's AI, but it's shocking.

Squigs: Liking his content and tone, but I don't see it as AI yet. From what I remember this is in his scum abilities

Demon: I dunno, he's weird. I think he's only this weird as town?

Jamie: see Demon?

Everyone else: you are playing too

[Squigs44]

Is this a livingslip?

This is a "I read and upvote the GM's posts" slip.

You're really bad at reading.

People just don't appreciate your humor like I do ghug

[Dousing]

3) Flavius gives me weird vibes but I’ve never played with them before. Just generally I felt like they’ve had a lot of exaggerated reactions to things.

Really? I feel like they're fairly composed tbh. Also the fact that nobody is really out here vouching for Flavius makes him fairly clean town-read to me tbh

[BunnyGo]

While Balki is just one vote on me, I'm taking my time to lay this out because Balki has a long history of railroading me. He scumreads me almost every time, he has never actually townread me, and he has been wrong every fucking time except one. So it's disappointing to see that he has learned nothing and is back for yet another round of "scumread Fox no matter what."

NB: I've snipped several quotes from previous games to keep this focused.

M34 - Balki is sure I'm scum (hooker, to be specific). I survive to the end of game to win as town: https://mafia.peterlund.se/m34/game_status.html

Foxy is Hooker. He is. I can feel it in my bones.

I’d order the lynch priority like this: Foxy, Flum, Vashta, rdrivera. Obviously cop scans can change that.

mM36 - Balki reads me as town conditional on another player's alignment.

I wouldn't lynch Foxcastle today, because the read is entirely derivative of RagingIke's alignment. But if it turns out that RagingIke is Town, then Flxcastle is probably scum.

See the whole thing here: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Balki*&word=Fox*&g=36

M1006 - Balki scumreads me. And I'm scum! But it's the exact same thing he says about me every time.

I mean...what did he even just say? Like, nothing. Nothing!

But he wrote a whole bunch of words, and he wrote about people who voted for other people so...so what?

EFFORT TO BLEND!

More Nothingness! Empty Void!

Kind of like a big, long, empty FOXHOLE!

Foxcastle is not content to be seen as doing nothing. He is putting in effort to be seen as doing something that looks vaguely like scum hunting. He's just not doing a great job at manufacturing a real process.

M46 Balki is scum, and he scum reads me. I flip town. But it's the same shit.

##vote Foxcastle

That's where my head is right now. Though, I am not at all confident. And I have not ISOed Fox, and I need to do that. But here are the impressions in my mind:

Fox has been sitting back, cracking jokes all the time, super chill. He has sprinkled in comments. He's been around. But he has not been taking stands. Most of his reads have been about gathering information or enforcing policies. He has not taken a stand on anything likely to get pushback. He has not made any scumread on an experienced player who would put him in the spotlight.

He's playing to avoid confrontation.

I made a similar read on him for similar reasons the last time we played together, and I was right at that time. I feel like he may be scum again here.

M54 Balki scum reads me. I flip town.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Balki*&word=Fox*&g=54

BALKI AND I HAVE PLAYED 5 GAMES TOGETHER. HE HAS NEVER TOWN READ ME. HE HAS CORRECTLY SCUMREAD ME ONE TIME.

HE HAS CONSISTENTLY USED THE SAME ARGUMENTS AGAINST ME THAT HE'S USING HERE. AND HE HAS BEEN WRONG EVERY TIME EXCEPT ONCE.

Serious question, Foxy:

How did you have time to find all that? Did you just have the games at your fingertips? Am *I* the fool who has to go through every single game to find old ones?

[Dousing]

While Balki is just one vote on me, I'm taking my time to lay this out because Balki has a long history of railroading me. He scumreads me almost every time, he has never actually townread me, and he has been wrong every fucking time except one. So it's disappointing to see that he has learned nothing and is back for yet another round of "scumread Fox no matter what."

To quote yourself:

"Remember that time..." is very weak

*quotes snipped for readability

What you did and what foxcastle did are *polar opposites*

Foxcastle brought up FIVE different examples of Balki scumreading Foxcastle

You did the equivalent of "we were wolves man..."

[sweetandcool]

Do you townread townread damo or do you just think he's getting more suspicion than is warranted?

I think he is a PR.

I'm at the point that S&C has been so creatively chaotic that this has to just be genuine weirdness and S&C is probably just town

I really don't see what's chaotic about my play, other than the unfortunate Kak incident.

[aarodactyl]

3) Flavius gives me weird vibes but I’ve never played with them before. Just generally I felt like they’ve had a lot of exaggerated reactions to things.

Really? I feel like they're fairly composed tbh. Also the fact that nobody is really out here vouching for Flavius makes him fairly clean town-read to me tbh

I think he calmed down closer to eod1 but when I was active, it felt like he was posting a lot and getting very frustrated but also very vocal about how he didn’t know who to vote. Which feels weird on day one.

[BunnyGo]

Is this a livingslip?

This is a "I read and upvote the GM's posts" slip.

You're really bad at reading.

Yes...and? What does this mean to you?

GM NOTE

A question was raised about how Circle of the Moon would work with there being a God Thread.

So players are aware, this game features an unspoiled environment upon death, regardless of whether there was a circle of the moon or knowledge role in play. This is mostly to spawn unique dialogue which I feel is often tainted by people spectating with an answer sheet.

Reads to me like "no God Thread". Maybe some "unspoiled environment" but no "God Thread".

But if there's Circle of the Moon, then I doubt he'd allow all the ghosts to talk to the one that's sent back...

[Dousing]

Serious question, Foxy:

How did you have time to find all that? Did you just have the games at your fingertips? Am *I* the fool who has to go through every single game to find old ones?

No deadass, everytime I cook like Foxy I want to go commit death-pacito.

[sweetandcool]

While Balki is just one vote on me, I'm taking my time to lay this out because Balki has a long history of railroading me. He scumreads me almost every time, he has never actually townread me, and he has been wrong every fucking time except one. So it's disappointing to see that he has learned nothing and is back for yet another round of "scumread Fox no matter what."

NB: I've snipped several quotes from previous games to keep this focused.

M34 - Balki is sure I'm scum (hooker, to be specific). I survive to the end of game to win as town: https://mafia.peterlund.se/m34/game_status.html

Foxy is Hooker. He is. I can feel it in my bones.

I’d order the lynch priority like this: Foxy, Flum, Vashta, rdrivera. Obviously cop scans can change that.

mM36 - Balki reads me as town conditional on another player's alignment.

I wouldn't lynch Foxcastle today, because the read is entirely derivative of RagingIke's alignment. But if it turns out that RagingIke is Town, then Flxcastle is probably scum.

See the whole thing here: http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Balki*&word=Fox*&g=36

M1006 - Balki scumreads me. And I'm scum! But it's the exact same thing he says about me every time.

I mean...what did he even just say? Like, nothing. Nothing!

But he wrote a whole bunch of words, and he wrote about people who voted for other people so...so what?

EFFORT TO BLEND!

More Nothingness! Empty Void!

Kind of like a big, long, empty FOXHOLE!

Foxcastle is not content to be seen as doing nothing. He is putting in effort to be seen as doing something that looks vaguely like scum hunting. He's just not doing a great job at manufacturing a real process.

M46 Balki is scum, and he scum reads me. I flip town. But it's the same shit.

##vote Foxcastle

That's where my head is right now. Though, I am not at all confident. And I have not ISOed Fox, and I need to do that. But here are the impressions in my mind:

Fox has been sitting back, cracking jokes all the time, super chill. He has sprinkled in comments. He's been around. But he has not been taking stands. Most of his reads have been about gathering information or enforcing policies. He has not taken a stand on anything likely to get pushback. He has not made any scumread on an experienced player who would put him in the spotlight.

He's playing to avoid confrontation.

I made a similar read on him for similar reasons the last time we played together, and I was right at that time. I feel like he may be scum again here.

M54 Balki scum reads me. I flip town.

http://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?user=Balki*&word=Fox*&g=54

BALKI AND I HAVE PLAYED 5 GAMES TOGETHER. HE HAS NEVER TOWN READ ME. HE HAS CORRECTLY SCUMREAD ME ONE TIME.

HE HAS CONSISTENTLY USED THE SAME ARGUMENTS AGAINST ME THAT HE'S USING HERE. AND HE HAS BEEN WRONG EVERY TIME EXCEPT ONCE.

I townlean you.

That being said, there are two wrong things with this.

1. This is old history.
2. At best it shows Balki has a tunnel on you, it tells us nothing of his alignment this game.

[BunnyGo]

I’m pretty sure this is provably false but I don’t think it means anything.

Hey, aaro. Who do *you* think I should vig shot?

1) if you were vig, I highly doubt you’d be soft claim like this. So this question is kind of moot
2) I don’t know the meta but it seems bad to vig shot here entirely
3) Flavius gives me weird vibes but I’ve never played with them before. Just generally I felt like they’ve had a lot of exaggerated reactions to things.

I didn't softclaim it. Yoyo told me to shoot Ezio. I'm just running with it.

Hmm...

And who (presumably besides you) would you rather I not shoot?

[Yoyoyozo]