M89: Baldurs Gate Mafia Game Thread

[sweetandcool]

##vote sweet, this saccharine helpfulness while doing nothing and sounding weird is finally enough

To be fair, I haven't been very impactful and don't expect to particularly be this game.

IRL means I'm probably not going to focus enough to make a trademark case, that redeems me in the eyes of enough players to keep me alive and catch scum.

My main contribution today will be avoiding a Dip or damo MK

I don't feel much conviction otherwise. I think lfisch or Ezo or good choices. Maybe Flavius actually is a good choice, being a failed flash wagon D1, but I don't exactly scumread them. Flum is probably a good choice too, in context of D1 wagons. But I know he has a history of purposely saying things that make him look kind of iffy (I assume on purpose), so that leads me back to the lurkers or pretty much most players other than Dip and damo.

damn...this is your first post where I actually hear "sweet" talking.

ok...the first two fishy and ezio seem clear enough.

Sell me on flavius or Flum, your choice. I'm not seeing either yet.

That would require VCA that I haven't done and may never really do. Simply if they were to flip Mafia, then that might give us a bit to work with since Flavius was almost flash wagoned and Flum had a dedicated few after him D1.

Suppose Flum flips Mafia. Then you can decide if sweetandcool and/Flavius were bussing. And possibly connections from there. Or if we flip Flavius and they are Mafia then we can assess the flashwagon and if it was also bussing or if any movements went to saving them, etc.

Yeah, I don't have an argument for them being Mafia. But they are better than damo or Dip.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I don’t like that Squiggs had the only case on damo and drew 2 other voters…

Incorrect. I talked about why I found Damo suspicious.

I think we should kill worcej actually. This "suspicion" of his is not like him at all and I think he is prepping for the flip.

##VOTE worcej

This is a good take

[sweetandcool]

Wait, so for the roles, you get one power or all three from a class? So we could have 2 paladins, and they have all three powers each? Or does each one get a different power from the class?

[brainbomb]

Wait, so for the roles, you get one power or all three from a class? So we could have 2 paladins, and they have all three powers each? Or does each one get a different power from the class?

GM Note
The categories are not very relevant as every role in the setup could potentially be in the setup.

All three paladin roles could be in play or it could be none or there could be one or two.


The roles by category was more when the setup used to be a UPICK. Ignore the names of the categories themselves as the roles below the category are what the possible PR would be.

[Yoyoyozo]

Wait, so for the roles, you get one power or all three from a class? So we could have 2 paladins, and they have all three powers each? Or does each one get a different power from the class?

That was the fastest GM reply I think I've ever seen. Did you DM this message to brain ahead of time?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Idk, Flavius seems like flailing townie here. His reasons don't make much sense, but they make just enough sense I see towniness in them.

That is a bad reason to town read somebody

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

That is not a reason for Flavius to be one of them.

Who would you like to wagon?

That guy who looks like a mimic. We should wagon that guy.

What is a mimic

[foodcoats]

Huh so Ezio showed up and whined and left.

We have to kill that slot because it will do nothing and we can’t have that later.

##VOTE Ezio

[BunnyGo]

Decent chances being 51%? I expect better of you than to willfully tunnel.

1. Dip is very different this game (and he has always been scum*)
2. Dip is clearly trying to solve.
3. Dip is solving poorly.
4. Dip was like a dog with a bone over the Kak-tadpole thing.

And so on.

Nobody is going to take Dip seriously, so he is not "dangerous" to Town. He just has no idea how to solve.

I know you are annoyed with him, but seriously you are better than putting the blinders on just because you want a particular player out of the game.

I disagree with point 1. D&W shows similar behaviour towards me like in the game we were both mafia with the misrepresentation. I know I'm not mafia, so alright, it could just be a personal thing. I still find it sus and bad. But everyone else than me should be very worried that we BOTH are mafia together here

maybe he is not dangerous in itself, but he leaving such things in the thread, repeating them can still influence the impression from others. There is a reason why commercials and ads are so repetitive, and slogans come to everyone's mind, even when they are bad. The more you hear/read/experience the same thing, the more your brain gets synchronized with that. It forms and grows inside and can get so big, that at one point, you truly believe a wrong thing even when you knew before it's wrong. This is very dangerous.

I try not to get blinded, and I think my EoN post will explain it better. But I give you, that I probably made a mistake at EoD when voting for d&w instead of flum at the time. I could've put him into the pole position yesterday, and I was too distracted. We could've had a very different discussion now, maybe, but that is a topic for the god thread, I guess

Yes, I suppose your scumgame with him would influence your worldview. I think this is different. Let's just save it for later then, because his fake ness will become quite apparent over time if he is indeed Mafia.

weirdest post yet; either ignorant town who hasn't read the flip, or cruel scum

[foodcoats]

Incorrect. I talked about why I found Damo suspicious.

I think we should kill worcej actually. This "suspicion" of his is not like him at all and I think he is prepping for the flip.

##VOTE worcej

This is a good take

Worcej, damo, and Ezio scum team? Examine it for me Will!

[BunnyGo]

To be fair, I haven't been very impactful and don't expect to particularly be this game.

IRL means I'm probably not going to focus enough to make a trademark case, that redeems me in the eyes of enough players to keep me alive and catch scum.

My main contribution today will be avoiding a Dip or damo MK

I don't feel much conviction otherwise. I think lfisch or Ezo or good choices. Maybe Flavius actually is a good choice, being a failed flash wagon D1, but I don't exactly scumread them. Flum is probably a good choice too, in context of D1 wagons. But I know he has a history of purposely saying things that make him look kind of iffy (I assume on purpose), so that leads me back to the lurkers or pretty much most players other than Dip and damo.

damn...this is your first post where I actually hear "sweet" talking.

ok...the first two fishy and ezio seem clear enough.

Sell me on flavius or Flum, your choice. I'm not seeing either yet.

That would require VCA that I haven't done and may never really do. Simply if they were to flip Mafia, then that might give us a bit to work with since Flavius was almost flash wagoned and Flum had a dedicated few after him D1.

Suppose Flum flips Mafia. Then you can decide if sweetandcool and/Flavius were bussing. And possibly connections from there. Or if we flip Flavius and they are Mafia then we can assess the flashwagon and if it was also bussing or if any movements went to saving them, etc.

Yeah, I don't have an argument for them being Mafia. But they are better than damo or Dip.

why them? why not aaro, jamie, balki, yoyo, demon, bunny, col7by, fox, ghug, bona, etc?

[BunnyGo]

Flum - D&W - ghug - kotp/Balki - jamie

I think this has the highest possibility of being the mafia team right now.

If you ask me, why, I'll try to explain:

-) D&W looks to me connected to Flum, ghug and King Balki: he condemns me for what Flum did, tries to bend the narrative that it was me suggesting the whole tadpole thing, putting Flum at his highest/best read with his alignment chart, then go back with it all by saying it was just a joke. Puts ghug down as 'powerwolfing' while ghug's posts seemed mostly jokes - looks like TMI to me here. He also invents unfathomable justifications for townreading kotp early, trying to make his selfvote less awful that it is. Furthermore, the constant ignorance towards facts of D&W is just not a town thing to do, he is at least anti-town

-) Other than his awful suggestion about the tadpole, which he retracted much later as a 'joke', Flum feels suspicious to me. Saying that Brian, who gets often misvoted, obvtowns under pressure, then WHEN Brian actually puts towny stuff down ignoring it, just feels so disingenious. Hard townreads d&w, tries to disincentivising voting for him.

-) ghug hard towning d&w and defending him looks like a typical maf-ghug weakness here. Might be even that ghug is goon and d&w is a power mafia role. But ghug also shows his other tendency when he is mafia: wanting to be townread early. Town ghug usually wants to be more nebulous, mysterious, to not getting dk'ed early. In this game, ghug points out he has to be town, once because he wasn't naked in the last 12 hours (ok, first I thought that first one was but a joke), but also later, and that one looks not like a joke to me. That heavily hints we have a mafia ghug here, and is connected to d&w. Ghug's intend to 'try not to solve until day 4' is just atrocious and I doubt town ghug would ever feel that way.

-) kotp didn't do much, a few posts early, then voted no-kill, changed it to a self vote after I point out a rule. Itself not atypical for him, kotp usually isn't much involved as far as I've seen. But with the praise of d&w, him pushing kotp so high into town area, for him doing practically nothing, looks like a mafia trying to form a great opinion for a partner that has the opportunity to 'go dark' and coast a long, long time.

-) regarding jamie, from most of his actions and words, how he plays this game I would've said he is town ... BUT, his reaction, or rather non-reaction of kotp's selfvote is rather weird. I would've thought that town-jamie would vote kotp, call others to vote him too, to not voting for himself. I would've thought that maf-jamie would use this opportunity to go on to town-kotp, too, imitating townplay, which would've been quite easy, I think. But jamie not doing that is a big warning sign that both are mafia partners here. Maybe I'm wrong, and town-jamie just changed, but with the rest what I've seen of jamie, I don't get that feeling, he is good old jamie.


I do think that the hardest connection is between d&w and ghug, as is between d&w and flum. The d&w connection to kotp is rather weak, and is only inforced with jamie's (non)reaction. Thus I think we should vote out d&w tomorrow.

I also think, if King Balki flips town, jamie is most likely not mafia, so in this 5-man team, he should be targeted last. Ghug could be mafia without d&w, as could flum, and d&w just be awful town. Nonetheless, I think this is the most likely mafia team from a connections point of view.


Other people who I think have a chance to be mafia here:

damo, though very small. Mostly, he feels different. I think, we need to figure him out earlier than later, but I think we can afford to give him some time, maybe a day or two, or three, to get rolling. But if this keeps on, and my previous maf-team turns out wrong, we should consider voting him. But I just don't see this 'obvmafia' some people are putting on him.

Bunny doesn't feel too good to me and had some small drops I find suspicious. I think he deserves some scrutiny if my team guess above turns out to be wrong. I have to say though, I agree of some things bunny says.

lfischl should not be allowed to coast, needs to participate. If not, consider voting him on a higher priority.

I expected more from Ezio, he could just be there, lying in wait, trying to strike. With his normal behaviour, I also think he would fit into any mafia team, naturally.


I think bona and sweet are very towny. Dousing is also looking very good. Vecna has gotten some town points from me, but I don't want to put him as high town. Squiggs feels fine too, should be town. I also think that our kobold ambassador, RHK, is a good kobold here.


I want Mad Monarch to participate more, please give us your thoughts. Col7by needs to do more too, even when it feels hard. If nothing else, give a few gut-reads and do what your heart feels. Will felt ok, but wasn't much involved? Want to see more from him too.

If two of the next three nk's are PR's, vote worcej. If not, he should be town. I think Flavius has not bad chances to be town here, but I don't feel he is on the same level as the others. Maybe the least town, maybe the highest from the null-ish part.

I have problems getting a feel for food, chayozo, fox and aaro, cannot really sort them. Please make some more so I can read you.


for tomorrow, please copy paste the following:

##vote DiplomacyandWarfare

##end

##VOTE Kak
##END

NOW the weirdest post

[foodcoats]

Player List

1. chaqa/yoyo - null
2. kingofthepirates - null
3. JustAGuyNamedWill - null
4. Jamiet99uk - null
5. Bonatogether - lean scum
6. damo666 - scum
7. Hamilton Brian - dead town
8. Dousing - town
9. foodcoats - handsome and suave
10. BunnyGo - town
11. ghug - town
12. Ezio - lean scum
13. FlaviusAetius - town
14. DiplomacyandWarfare - … lean town
15. Kakarroto - dead town
16. Worcej - scum
17. lfischl - town
18. Vecna - town
19. foxcastle - town
20. TheMadMonarch - scum
21. DemonRHK - town
22. Col7by - null
23. Squiggs44 - town
24. sweetandcool - town
25. fluminator - town
26. aarodactyl - lean town


Subs:

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

(The Harpers are still playing, spilling Surge onto their beards. The room smells of old socks and creamed corn.)

Mia: Asharak, you look pretty evil bro. What should we do about this guy? Is he Evil?





Kyle: Yea, he looks pretty evil. And this is exactly the type of person who would betray us. Oh now he wants to talk!


Asharak: "I saw you at the gates. You fight well. I have some ideas on who could be helping the Absolute around these parts. I have strong feelings that the Goblin Doctor is good, and that Volo is good. I have bad feelings about the Goblin Doctor, and that Auntie Ethel person.”

A. You said you have bad feelings about the goblin doctor, but also that you have good feelings about the goblin doctor
B. Are you evil as fuck?
C. Time to die demon face
D. Leave

Mia: I think we go with C guys. This dude seems like a liar.


(The Harpers gather around Asharak and begin attacking him, killing him before he even gets a swing)

HamiltonBrian has died he was Asharak of the Harpers, a Vanilla Town



Wyll Disapproves
Shadowheart Disapproves
Lael’zel Disapproves
Astarion Disapproves
Karlach Disapproves

Rip

Seems evil

[foodcoats]

Player List

1. chaqa/yoyo - null
2. kingofthepirates - null
3. JustAGuyNamedWill - null
4. Jamiet99uk - null
5. Bonatogether - lean scum
6. damo666 - scum
7. Hamilton Brian - dead town
8. Dousing - town
9. foodcoats - handsome and suave
10. BunnyGo - town
11. ghug - town
12. Ezio - lean scum
13. FlaviusAetius - town
14. DiplomacyandWarfare - … lean town
15. Kakarroto - dead town
16. Worcej - scum
17. lfischl - town
18. Vecna - town
19. foxcastle - town
20. TheMadMonarch - scum
21. DemonRHK - town
22. Col7by - null
23. Squiggs44 - town
24. sweetandcool - town
25. fluminator - town
26. aarodactyl - lean town


Subs:

Neat, i actually have five scum.

I am probably entirely wrong but at least the numbers add up

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think we should kill worcej actually. This "suspicion" of his is not like him at all and I think he is prepping for the flip.

##VOTE worcej

This is a good take

Worcej, damo, and Ezio scum team? Examine it for me Will!

Just because I have all of them as scumreads doesn’t mean that they all have to be scum together. If I scumread darg n brain that doesnt mean darg n brain are on a team

[BunnyGo]

##vote Foxcastle

Why?

[BunnyGo]

I was offended by Kak's EoN request and made a joke. And of course I had the bad luck of Kak being the NK.

Of course, this is such an authentic township so consequently it will look fake and I look bad.

Dip is such a wretched vote.

So you're claiming that you were making posts 20+ mins after deadline without having read the flip, and happened to only respond to 2 comments, both of which were from the flipped townie?

Correct. I really didn't expect Kak to be the NK because he was determined to drive a MK today.

How did you know you weren't the flip?

[Yoyoyozo]

Hi Yoyo I love you

I love you too, ghug!

[sweetandcool]

Wait, so for the roles, you get one power or all three from a class? So we could have 2 paladins, and they have all three powers each? Or does each one get a different power from the class?

That was the fastest GM reply I think I've ever seen. Did you DM this message to brain ahead of time?

I didn't. Kind of offended since I didn't call GM. I could have just been dumb telling as either alignment (I was not, but still).

Oh well, thanks GM for the knowledge drop.